EMS Sasuke >> Healthy Itachi

[King Of Pop]

Lol if both fighter refrain from using MS techs , but still kept them activated , how do u see it playing out?

dont quite understand, you mean dont use MS techniques at all? then itachi would take it if its early Ems sasuke since Edo itachi(which is representative of healthy itachi) reacted faster than him against kabutos muki tensei and was casually matching kcm naruto in cqc. his movement speed and reactions are better so he wins when it comes down to cqc, his use of crow clones and exploding bunshin can be used to trick sasuke as well if MS techniques arent in play

Fanfic isn't a counter. Anywho, itachi speed is more than enough to deal with that sasuke in cqc. Mix in some shuriken barrage with crow feints to finish him off.

fanfic? nope, stated facts. cqc is a non factor when soosano is in play so yeah not happening. lol and what would crow clone accomplish? genjutsu? it has no attack worthy of breaching soosano. and i hope you are referring to kabuto fight sasuke when stating the bold? cos Ems sasuke from the battlefield can track speeds on the level of juubito, so itachi gets beaten swifly in cqc since sasuke would read his movement easily and counter.

 

[neosmith500]

dont quite understand, you mean dont use MS techniques at all? then itachi would take it if its early Ems sasuke since Edo itachi(which is representative of healthy itachi) reacted faster than him against kabutos muki tensei and was casually matching kcm naruto in cqc. his movement speed and reactions are better so he wins when it comes down to cqc, his use of crow clones and exploding bunshin can be used to trick sasuke as well if MS techniques arent in play

Thats the answer i wanted to hear , great post.

Do u EMS can catch itachi's hand-signs?

 

[LoZelda101]

dont quite understand, you mean dont use MS techniques at all? then itachi would take it if its early Ems sasuke since Edo itachi(which is representative of healthy itachi) reacted faster than him against kabutos muki tensei and was casually matching kcm naruto in cqc. his movement speed and reactions are better so he wins when it comes down to cqc, his use of crow clones and exploding bunshin can be used to trick sasuke as well if MS techniques arent in play


fanfic? nope, stated facts. cqc is a non factor when soosano is in play so yeah not happening. lol and what would crow clone accomplish? genjutsu? it has no attack worthy of breaching soosano. and i hope you are referring to kabuto fight sasuke when stating the bold? cos Ems sasuke from the battlefield can track speeds on the level of juubito, so itachi gets beaten swifly in cqc since sasuke would read his movement easily and counter.

Lmao that's what i thought. Sasuke is nothing against itachi without susanoo and even then his complete susanoo is not above itachi's. Sasuke only chance of winning is stamina

 

[King Of Pop]

Thats the answer i wanted to hear , great post.

Do u EMS can catch itachi's hand-siqns?

hmm not too sure, what do you think?

but what i do interesting is that sasuke didnt seem capable of perceiving itachis crow bunshin, or when itachi created it

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how would you explain that?

Lmao that's what i thought. Sasuke is nothing against itachi without susanoo and even then his complete susanoo is not above itachi's. Sasuke only chance of winning is stamina

bold. well thats only what he needs really. but yeah, more or less agree. if you make this Edo itachi, then itachi would win. excluding ps that is

 

[neosmith500]

hmm not too sure, what do you think?

IMO , no , he can cloak his signs with his uniform and weapon spam , and his clones can instantly shunshin or stay complely hidden for a suicide bomb grab.

Itachi could've easily had his clone explode when he swapped places with it and had it grab Sasuke , its also good to note that itachi was so skilled he could literally hide in the shadow of his clone , which counters the sharingan also.

Way i see it not even peak EMS Sasuke can win against his big bro without using the techs.

but what i do interesting is that sasuke didnt seem capable of perceiving itachis crow bunshin, or when itachi created it

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how would you explain that?

I think its due to his ability to hide , mixed with his great speed , kinda like how he hid behind his clone against hebi Sasuke.

 

[King Of Pop]

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neosmith500;20664757]IMO , no , he can cloak his signs with his uniform and weapon spam , and his clones can instantly shunshin or stay complely hidden for a suicide bomb grab.

Itachi could've easily had his clone explode when he swapped places with it and had it grab Sasuke , its also good to note that itachi was so skilled he could literally hide in the shadow of his clone , which counters the sharingan also.

Way i see it not even peak EMS Sasuke can win against his big bro without using the techs.

hmmm with the way you have described it, i can see the difficulties sasuke would encounter against him. but if you restrict his use of bunshins and any sort of jutsu, just straight up cqc, then peak Ems sasuke would beat him since he has no diversions he can use and sasuke can easily read his movements allowing him to react. plus his movement and striking speed was good enough to push back blind senjutsu madara who in base, tossed away sm naruto and left him on his ass.

I think its due to his ability to hide , mixed with his great speed , kinda like how he hid behind his clone against hebi Sasuke.

he is a very dangerous guy when he is serious. dat itachi

 

[neosmith500]

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hmmm with the way you have described it, i can see the difficulties sasuke would encounter against him. but if you restrict his use of bunshins and any sort of jutsu, just straight up cqc, then peak Ems sasuke would beat him since he has no diversions he can use and sasuke can easily read his movements allowing him to react. plus his movement and striking speed was good enough to push back blind senjutsu madara who in base, tossed away sm naruto and left him on his ass.

Not necessarily , restrict all jutsu and we have a guy who is vastly more skilled and naturally talented and not to mention wise , Both can and will read each others movements but this is where skills , smarts , body speed and exp come directly into play..

Itachi had a mind of a kage at 7 and was a ninja nerd who likely studied all forms of combat knowledge in oder to get stronger for peace , which explains why he was so worried about people like Gai.

His skills , intuition and Ninja movements were potrayed too far above Sasuke especially if u consider the B showings , Itachi knows wat to do while Sasuke is straight forward and very rash in battle.

Madara simply avoided and backpedaled away from Sasuke , then using precision , exp , intuition and skill , picked the perfect interval to grab the Sword and have a chat , and this was done without the aid of his sharingan which would've helped better against Sasuke's kenjutsu swipes than SM since he could precog all the movements.

So imo MS Itachi beats EMS Sasuke with no more med diff in lone CQC Also , with two Kunai i see him out-pacing Sasuke in skill , careful thinking and movements which itachi is literally always hyped for , so yea he takes his bro all the same here.

he is a very dangerous guy when he is serious. dat itachi

The guy was a true Ninja artist who could literally paint his battles to go how he wants them.

Truly one of the reasons Naruto as a seriies is so great.

 

[SenseiSama]

Ems is kinda overhyped with exception to PS. I bring this up because obito i believe said susanoo is rare, so what about other uchihas who got ems but never had susanoo?

Firs of all, Madara and Sasuke are the only Uchiha to awaken EMS, secondly Kakashi got PS because having DMS with Rikudou chakra brings out a level of eye power comparable to Indra and his transmigrants.

There's nothing overhyped about it because it gives the user a power close to what Indra had and no Uchiha has a counter to PS unless they have Rikudou chakra.

Pesonally it makes no sense, i think kishi originally intended to give sasuke his brothers power then bailed for some other reason. Itachi said he expected sasuage to get ems to use the "true" power of MS. But what exactly is that true power? Even kakashi got PS with just MS enhanced by rikudou chakra.

I think Kishi did intend on giving Sasuke his brother's abilities in addition to his own, or maybe another hax ability like being able to use all MS jutsu because BZ also referred to "Sharingan secrets". The author probably saw having 2 jutsu with Susanoo as too OP in his eyes when you compare it to what Naruto would've gotten.

With EMS the user gets highest level of standard genjutsu, highest level of pre-cog, highest ability to see through genjutsu, ability to break special MS genjutsu, full control over bijuu and mountain busting power, all that in addition to high level ninjutsu and copy technique.

Edit: originally i thought ems removed the bleed effect from amaterasu but nope.... In late war arc sasuke bleeds again. Smh with that said, i think origibal itachi eyes are better than ems just because of tsuku and spirit weapons. But sasuke has PS. Lol idk

Sasuke bleeding isn't a sign that Amaterasu poses a strain on him, he was spamming Enton throughout the war arc with no fatigue. His bleeding is likely a hint from the author that Amaterasu is summoned from a far away dimension.

 

[LoZelda101]

Firs of all, Madara and Sasuke are the only Uchiha to awaken EMS, secondly Kakashi got PS because having DMS with Rikudou chakra brings out a level of eye power comparable to Indra and his transmigrants.

There's nothing overhyped about it because it gives the user a power close to what Indra had and no Uchiha has a counter to PS unless they have Rikudou chakra.



I think Kishi did intend on giving Sasuke his brother's abilities in addition to his own, or maybe another hax ability like being able to use all MS jutsu because BZ also referred to "Sharingan secrets". The author probably saw having 2 jutsu with Susanoo as too OP in his eyes when you compare it to what Naruto would've gotten.

With EMS the user gets highest level of standard genjutsu, highest level of pre-cog, highest ability to see through genjutsu, ability to break special MS genjutsu, full control over bijuu and mountain busting power, all that in addition to high level ninjutsu and copy technique.



Sasuke bleeding isn't a sign that Amaterasu poses a strain on him, he was spamming Enton throughout the war arc with no fatigue. His bleeding is likely a hint from the author that Amaterasu is summoned from a far away dimension.

Sigh..1. What I'm referring to is that after he obtain ems, his eyes did not bleed from using amat until Madara was revived.

2. All the little ems perks you listed is just fanfic assumptions. So unless that's the straight tomoe maddy was referring to about mocement fluidity in cqc then there is no factual proof it is incapable of doing the same feats with just MS or 3T for that matter and even if it does exist the boost is minor from MS considering it did very little to no good against two sage mode users where as itachi manage to slice off kabutos horn to set up izanami. (Just talking about the eyes, not susanoo feats)

 

[King Of Pop]

=neosmith500;20664787]Not necessarily , restrict all jutsu and we have a guy who is vastly more skilled and naturally talented and not to mention wise , Both can and will read each others movements but this is where skills , smarts , body speed and exp come directly into play..

i think you are overrating his skills a bit. what can he do with all jutsus restricted? kunai and shuriken jutsu? sasuke counters those with his eyes close. his body speed is easily tracked so its a total non factor. sasuke has the faster precog allowing him to react better and also better striking speed by feats so eventually itachi would get cut down.

Itachi had a mind of a kage at 7 and was a ninja nerd who likely studied all forms of combat knowledge in oder to get stronger for peace , which explains why he was so worried about people like Gai.

not relevant really.

His skills , intuition and Ninja movements were potrayed too far above Sasuke especially if u consider the B showings , Itachi knows wat to do while Sasuke is straight forward and very rash in battle.

his movements against bee were shown to above early MS sasuke you mean, peak Ems sasuke is a whole different story. there is no form of movement that itachi would make that sasuke wont read and there is no weapon he can employ that sasuke cant counter. and sasuke was only rash during his ms phrase, Ems sasuke is calmer and a bit like his hebi self as seen when analyzing the strategy employed by the Edo hokages earning praise from minato.

Madara simply avoided and backpedaled away from Sasuke , then using precision , exp , intuition and skill , picked the perfect interval to grab the Sword and have a chat ,

he backpadeled because he was pushed back. if sasuke wasnt quick enough, then madara would have left him in the dust like he did to sm naruto. he was forced to let himself get stabbed to stop the assault. Senjutsu madara>>itachi in movement so sasuke would have zero issues with the latter

and this was done without the aid of his sharingan which would've helped better against Sasuke's kenjutsu swipes than SM since he could precog all the movements.

he had SM in place of sharingan which allows one to sense movements as we all know. and this doesnt change the fact that his body was also buffed.

So imo MS Itachi beats EMS Sasuke with no more med diff in lone CQC

nah, sasuke bodies him

Also , with two Kunai i see him out-pacing Sasuke in skill , careful thinking and movements which itachi is literally always hyped for , so yea he takes his bro all the same here.

itachi isnt outpacing a guy whos eyes allowed him track a jjs speed and push back sm madara. itachi is vastly below those guys in anything speed related so his movements would be no issue whatsoever. none of what you have said is remotely relevant, Ems sasuke could also keep up with kcm naruto and even react faster than kcm minato in saving naruto from juubitos tsb. reactions(better precog), striking speed, he has the edge. itachi gets sliced.