US and UK are terrorist states?

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Middle East had their own internal problem and then Western Alliance of War brought in more chaos when they actually should help them but not in their primary interest :sdo:
 

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Lmao china is like 13billion shadow clones with no ****s given.

They outnumber about any other military, but it's one of their few strengths. Russia has better equipment and has geography at its side
 

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They outnumber about any other military, but it's one of their few strengths. Russia has better equipment and has geography at its side

I agree and battle experience too
 

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Well I'd say they're not exactly terrorists states but they sure are responsible for creating many for their personal gains with ISIS being their most recent and worst creation, previously it was the Al-Quaida and Taliban. If they wan't to then they can destroy ISIS within months but then again they have hidden personal interests for not doing so.
 

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HashiraMadara - I consider you among the sentient beings here so tell me, how do you deal with people who are either too lazy to read or mentally incapable of understanding a couple of dozens of pages of history etc about a topic which they nevertheless love to speak out of their arses about?

In the adolescent minds of these people the invasion of Iraq was about oil - that Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi, Bahrain, Oman etc all managed to use their oil reserves to attain developed world standards of living despite having no real economies notwithstanding - and because that state was a utopia, an Islamic "light unto the world."

Allow me to give you folks a dose of reality:



"Despite paeans to national unity, Iraq has been disintegrating for decades. The Kurds spent much of the past century in armed revolt against successive Arab governments in Baghdad before securing autonomy in 1991. Outside the relatively cosmopolitan capital, large segments of the country’s Shia population were locked in armed confrontation with the government since Saddam Hussein consolidated his power in 1979 until he was toppled by the US in 2003.

Within weeks of the US invasion, a Sunni insurgency flared up against the Americans and then the Shia majority now dominating the country. “The sectarianism has been here for a long time; it’s not new,” says Ziad Ajeel, a political analyst. “The Kurds refused to be ruled by the Arabs. The Shia refused to be ruled by the Sunni. Now the Sunni don’t want to be ruled by the Shia. Iraq’s history confirms that you cannot achieve your rights without the use of weapons. And that is the problem with Iraq.”

Neighbouring Syria, with its ethnic mix of Kurds, Sunni and Shia that mirrors that of Iraq, is also falling apart. There is a sense that Iraq’s demography is incompatible with the zero-sum politics that have long dominated the country and region. All three of Iraq’s main communities view themselves as aggrieved victims of history as they absolve themselves of their own sins.

“Saddam Hussein did the same thing to the Shia that Maliki is now doing to the Sunni,” says a 23-year-old Sunni man in Adhemiya district."
Well the site is 90% teenagers… common opinion leads their way. ISIS/Al-Qaeda / Taliban / Alshabab etc. "grotesque", and "America went for oil and Tony Blair never helped" <== this is web spinning in their brain
If you dig deeper you will find that the same place (From Asia Minor all the way to Indian borders now called Nepal) has been a War Zone even before the Abrahamic religions. Even the idea of Yahweh/Jehovah / El-Ohim/ Allah Is a God who fought and defeated all other gods to be the sole God remaining. Later on turned into a Mono deity by the rise of Babylon.
Meaning War is synonymous to the location. Alexander the Great when conquering the plains they were already under Darius III’s tyranny the civilians were planning a coup, Darius III could strengthen his tyranny because of his Indian connections, I mean Prophet Muhammad in his quest of “leading” his people to the “true word” of “Allah” was not exactly a pacifist himself.
Oil is just a another one of the confilict causes, as well as religion. There are many…



Now was the invasion of Iraq an illegal one perpetrated by criminals?

Yes.

But as you can see - all that invasion did was turn a pile of sh1t into a pile of ash.

The pile of faeces was Iraq prior to the invasion.

The pile of ash is Iraq today.
:lmao:


As for the tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians murdered in the war - there is no way to defend that.
To me in honesty death is inevitable whether the deed is good nor bad. Look at Rwanda...

Why is it that Sunni Muslims like Konohas copy ninja (my suspicion that he is a Sunni Muslim is simple Bayesian reasoning, I might be wrong but I reckon it's unlikely) know all too well about the Sunni Arab civilians murdered in the invasion of Iraq (or the Sunni Arabs murdered by the Shiite/Alawite regime of Al-Asad in Syria) and yet:

These same people aren't even aware of the Kurdish children gassed to death or the countless Kurdish civilians brutally murdered over the entire history of the terrorist state known as Iraq?

Why is it that these people haven't even got a clue that being murdered into mass graves was a common occurrence for the Shia population of Iraq especially under Saddam but in fact again over much of the history of that state?

You see, people like to see what they want to see.
The same reason Slim Reaper defends Americans, Jean Grey/Anectus defend India and Okami defend any Caucasian trace....
as you said "You see, people like to see what they want to see"


I always make an effort to learn about other people's states, histories and so on as to not speak out of my arse when talking about them - and in that I think I respect other people as such, even if I don't want to live in the same state with them. Now there are a few states in the Islamic world that I truly respect as being worthy of the title 'civilization' and would be saddened to see destroyed - Iran is one of them - but that is a story for another day.
LOL, well one can say "civilisation" is not synonymous with "right/better", meaning being civil doesn’t necessarily mean being “right/better”
Anyways to address your post directly HashiraMadara - that depends entirely on what you mean by "Britain."

If by Britain you mean my blood and soil - the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish people as well as any other ethnic group calling Britain its only home and being loyal to the foregoing people like British (Hindu) Indians and British Chinese, and their lands on that island they call home and which is the prosperous state it is today solely due to the toils of their ancestors - then yes, I will defend it to the last drop of blood.
Well I knew that much when I posted…
On the other hand I care about as much for the political class of my country as I do for aliens like Konahas copy ninja who despise the people and land that fed and gave a home to their immigrant ancestors so that their children and grandchildren could be the treacherous ingrates that they now are.
As a Liverpool fan, I overlook my not winning a trophy just for the sake of downgrading Manchester United reputation…
If it were up to me Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron et al would be executed by firing squad for treason

Heck I'd sell the whole political class of the past decade to the Islamic State as slaves if it were up to me personally.

But then I'd also deport ingrates like Konohas copy ninja back to their ancestral lands in the utopia known as the Islamic world so he no longer has to feel any shame about having zero loyalty to the people and land he unconvincingly attempts to connect himself too.
In all honesty neither of you would be solving anything because trouble will inevitable rise up no matter how perfect were each of your plans, history has showed me that conflict unescapable. That’s why I never really do much defending/choosing a particular side cause I know it will be decimated as well in the flow of time..
 
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Well I'd say they're not exactly terrorists states but they sure are responsible for creating many for their personal gains with ISIS being their most recent and worst creation, previously it was the Al-Quaida and Taliban. If they wan't to then they can destroy ISIS within months but then again they have hidden personal interests for not doing so.

Arm selling. Who can feed Lockheed Martin, NG, BAE System, Boeing etc if not Govs or they will go out from weaponry business.
 
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Well I'd say they're not exactly terrorists states but they sure are responsible for creating many for their personal gains with ISIS being their most recent and worst creation, previously it was the Al-Quaida and Taliban. If they wan't to then they can destroy ISIS within months but then again they have hidden personal interests for not doing so.

See what I mean Narushima

Yes, China got defeated (or at least stalemated) by Vietnam in a land war :|
War is not exactly that nowadays, that is a meaningless feud to the Chinese. They have no major gain from it.

A full proof of that is how South Africa was never defeated in Apartheid days. USA, UK turned a blind eye only because South Africa threatened a nuclear strike. Meaning they get away with whatever they're doing.

I can buy a property(call it a state), then build nuclear weapon <== this means whatever I what to do within my state is no one's business as long as I own nuclear weapons, hence North Korea. Nuclear strike = no winner in a fight. it = who survives the fight...


So from now on know that there is no country > another in war if both are nuclear handlers.... It's just some small worthless feud
 
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They outnumber about any other military, but it's one of their few strengths. Russia has better equipment and has geography at its side

Lmao. China secretly been stealing US technology for years. Russia wanna take out china they better do so soon before it's too late
 

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War is not exactly that nowadays, that is a meaningless feud to the Chinese. They have no major gain from it.

A full proof of that is how South Africa was never defeated in Apartheid days. USA, UK turned a blind eye only because South Africa threatened a nuclear strike. Meaning they get away with whatever they're doing.

I can buy a property(call it a state), then build nuclear weapon <== this means whatever I what to do within my state is no one's business as long as I own nuclear weapons, hence North Korea. Nuclear strike = no winner in a fight. it = who survives the fight...


So from now on know that there is no country > another in war if both are nuclear handlers.... It's just some small worthless feud

Well, I'm not sure I've understood all of your point, but I can guarantee the Sino-Vietnamese war wasn't a meaningless feud, because Vietnam attacked Cambodia (China's vassal) and, being very friendly to Soviet Union, Chineses thought it was a maneuver to extend Russia's influence area.
The fact that war was quite hidden by western medias doesn't mean that war was useless. They both put effort and had plenty of dead (dozens of thousands each).

I wasn't talking about the nukes. When you compare two countries' military, you don't have to take count of the nukes, because they would subvert everything. However, Russia has the edge on China about nuclear missiles.

Lmao. China secretly been stealing US technology for years. Russia wanna take out china they better do so soon before it's too late

Uhm is that a plot of a James Bond movie? Too bad that China buys tons of technologically advanced weapons from Russia every year.

Take a look:
 

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Well, I'm not sure I've understood all of your point, but I can guarantee the Sino-Vietnamese war wasn't a meaningless feud, because Vietnam attacked Cambodia (China's vassal) and, being very friendly to Soviet Union, Chineses thought it was a maneuver to extend Russia's influence area.
The fact that war was quite hidden by western medias doesn't mean that war was useless. They both put effort and had plenty of dead (dozens of thousands each).

I wasn't talking about the nukes. When you compare two countries' military, you don't have to take count of the nukes, because they would subvert everything. However, Russia has the edge on China about nuclear missiles.



Uhm is that a plot of a James Bond movie? Too bad that China buys tons of technologically advanced weapons from Russia every year.

Take a look:

Are they wrong?
 

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Well, I'm not sure I've understood all of your point, but I can guarantee the Sino-Vietnamese war wasn't a meaningless feud, because Vietnam attacked Cambodia (China's vassal) and, being very friendly to Soviet Union, Chineses thought it was a maneuver to extend Russia's influence area.
The fact that war was quite hidden by western medias doesn't mean that war was useless. They both put effort and had plenty of dead (dozens of thousands each).

I wasn't talking about the nukes. When you compare two countries' military, you don't have to take count of the nukes, because they would subvert everything. However, Russia has the edge on China about nuclear missiles.

Rational numbers are a subset of Real numbers
Real numbers are infinite, yet the rational numbers are infinite too... Rational numbers = Real numbers? no There are subsets within the real numbers: e.g Irrational numbers. meaning even though they are not equal, but both are = infinite.


My point with this little paradox is that China has enough Hydrogen to destroy the entire global civilisation 4 times, Russia has more that that. <== this tells you their fights wont have a winner in terms of serious war. So war nowadays is no longer about "I have more might than you" because either can destroy either
 
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