Alive minato vs these kages

[Uchihakil]

Suicide techs aren't considered a win, that's about it. I said he'd tie him with it, which he most definitely can. Otherwise Minato has no real way of hurting him.



How? If you really think he can just go invisible and cut off Minato's head then...



Minato dodges that thing in his sleep, including the explosion. The time it takes for it to reappear, Minato sniffs out real Gengetsu [

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]and wrecks him. Giant Clam is crushed by Food Card Destroyer or Gamabunta. Minato is one of the worst opponents for Gengetsu.

Yea exactly that's how muu oneshots, gengetsu is not a good matchup for minato either, he has nothing in his arsenal that can hurt gengetsu except for a hypothetical lightning release, but as I said earlier, the clam can only be sensed by contact sensors, and gengetsu can keep attacking him while hidden

Well, then if you're gonna restrict one Kage but not the other, win is nearly impossible in this scenario.

So we are agreeing he can use lightning or not? If not I'm not gonna bother arguing against you, no lightning means no damage dealt, and if Minato can't damage him, this is a losing battle.

-Yea that's why I said you should ignore what I said
- I'm not restricting him, the dude himself said he does'nt use SM in battle, every single kage I listed will kill minato if he tried stalling with bunta, does bunta have an answer to these
1. Jinton?? (Two kages amongst them have jinton) and minato can not teleport while kneading senjutsu chakra (it took jiraiya bout 2 episodes to do that ) + both kages can fly and destroy bunta from a far
2. The 3rd raikage was fighting hachibi and cutting off his tails and all, he would hell stab the shit out of bunta, bunta can't even tag him if he can't tag tendou (who is superior in speed)
3. Bunta can't hurt gengetsu (jouki boy steamrolls bunta)
4. Gaara can fly out of bunta's reach, and spam sand techniques, (sand pyramid, crush bunta's legs with sand etc etc)

Bunta could'nt even tag tendou pein, and you should know that minato is a non factor while kneading senjutsu chakra because he can't use any technique , that's why SM is useless in a real fight, that's why I did'nt wanna debate bout it anymore, that's not restricting minato

 

[Guntah]

Yea exactly that's how muu oneshots, gengetsu is not a good matchup for minato either, he has nothing in his arsenal that can hurt gengetsu except for a hypothetical lightning release, but as I said earlier, the clam can only be sensed by contact sensors, and gengetsu can keep attacking him while hidden



-Yea that's why I said you should ignore what I said
- I'm not restricting him, the dude himself said he does'nt use SM in battle, every single kage I listed will kill minato if he tried stalling with bunta, does bunta have an answer to these
1. Jinton?? (Two kages amongst them have jinton) and minato can teleport while kneading senjutsu chakra (it took jiraiya bout 3 episodes to do that or), + both kages can fly and destroy bunta from a far
2. The 3rd raikage was fighting hachibi and cutting off his tails and all, he would hell stab the shit out of bunta, bunta can't even tag him if he can't tag tendou (who is superior in speed)
3. Bunta can't hurt gengetsu (jouki boy steamrolls bunta)
4. Gaara can fly out of bunta's reach, and spam sand techniques, (sand pyramid, crush bunta's legs with sand etc etc)

Bunta could'nt even tag tendou pein, and you should know that minato is a non factor while kneading senjutsu chakra because he can't use any technique , that's why SM is useless in a real fight, that's why I did'nt wanna debate bout it anymore, that's not restricting minato

He did against Madara. Why? Because he was truly desperate. If nothing's left for Minato, Senjutsu will be his trump card...but you're rightin one thing. Bunta is a bad choice, mainly in the fight against Muu which we were discussing.

Shadow Clones would be a much better distraction. Mainly because if Muu takes out the wrong one, he will never have the chance to escape before Minato marks him. And then, game over. From what I remember, after all, he can't use Jiton while invisible and he doesn't have much for long ranged feats besides that.

Isn't Minato's shown tactic on one on ones spreading kunai throughout the battlefield for his use? Like against A?

 

[Uchihakil]

He did against Madara. Why? Because he was truly desperate. If nothing's left for Minato, Senjutsu will be his trump card...but you're rightin one thing. Bunta is a bad choice, mainly in the fight against Muu which we were discussing.

Shadow Clones would be a much better distraction. Mainly because if Muu takes out the wrong one, he will never have the chance to escape before Minato marks him. And then, game over. From what I remember, after all, he can't use Jiton while invisible and he doesn't have much for long ranged feats besides that.

Isn't Minato's shown tactic on one on ones spreading kunai throughout the battlefield for his use? Like against A?

He did against madara why?

- because they were talking and he had a time to knead chakra (which lasted for 3 seconds), also this is one on one fight, so he does'nt have kakashi or gaara to back him up

- it was an asspull (kishi just gave minato SM to have a shot against madara cause no SM users were present at the moment) if you don't believe me then why;

- could'nt minato figure out the juubi jins weakness while naruto did? Minato is smarter, he would have seen gamakichis oil not been negated, but he did'nt know meaning, he has no knowledge of senjutsu to know that gamakichis attack is senjutsu based
- none of the frogs talked bout minato, they only talk bout jiraiya, one way or another if minato trained in SM kishi won't leave something like that, he must be compared to his son in a way or somehow the frogs would talk bout him
- he did'nt not once talk bout senjutsu in there fight with juubito
- he also had shitloads of time to gather senjutsu chakra while naruto and sasuke were fighting juubito but he did'nt

Kishi only gave him SM to make him relevant against madara

Kishi made sure to show people that minato is not adept with senjutsu

HE CAN'T USE IT ONE ON ONE!!!

Just kneading senjutsu chakra to summon ma and pa took jiraiya more than 2 episodes, that's like 5 chapters or so

 

[Guntah]

He did against madara why?

- because they were talking and he had a time to knead chakra (which lasted for 3 seconds), also this is one on one fight, so he does'nt have kakashi or gaara to back him up

- it was an asspull (kishi just gave minato SM to have a shot against madara cause no SM users were present at the moment) if you don't believe me then why;

- could'nt minato figure out the juubi jins weakness while naruto did? Minato is smarter, he would have seen gamakichis oil not been negated, but he did'nt know meaning, he has no knowledge of senjutsu to know that gamakichis attack is senjutsu based
- none of the frogs talked bout minato, they only talk bout jiraiya, one way or another if minato trained in SM kishi won't leave something like that, he must be compared to his son in a way or somehow the frogs would talk bout him
- he did'nt not once talk bout senjutsu in there fight with juubito
- he also had shitloads of time to gather senjutsu chakra while naruto and sasuke were fighting juubito but he did'nt

Kishi only gave him SM to make him relevant against madara

Kishi made sure to show people that minato is not adept with senjutsu

HE CAN'T USE IT ONE ON ONE!!!

Just kneading senjutsu chakra to summon ma and pa took jiraiya more than 2 episodes, that's like 5 chapters or so

You mean Minato, a man with clear capabilities of making clones to pose as himself and teleporting at a very low chakra cost cannot buy time? I don't really care why Kishi gave it to him or if it was an asspull, its Canon. Its there. If you disregard that, if you start pulling logic out of a story as flawed and rushed as Naruto, this entire forum falls apart. Buy anyway....

Out of all Senjutsu users, Minato is the most capable one at buying time

And he would take out Muu if he had access to it.

If you really don't wanna discuss this as you claimed you didn't leave it at this and don't correct me. Don't take me wrong, I'd be more than pleased to go deeper into the rabbit hole to try and make my point, but you said you wanted to leave this point aside, so I think its at least cordial to give you the chance to leave it be before we disregard that request completely.

 

[CoolSonicMan]

so...is he fighting them all at once in some sort of sudden death/survival mode type thing or...one by one, fighting them each at his full potential?

in the former then I'd say the odds would certainly overwhelm minato.

but for the latter, I think minato stands a chance, but with extremely high difficulty, especially from the likes of the 3rd raikage and muu.

 

[Uchihakil]

so...is he fighting them all at once in some sort of sudden death/survival mode type thing or...one by one, fighting them each at his full potential?

in the former then I'd say the odds would certainly overwhelm minato.

but for the latter, I think minato stands a chance, but with extremely high difficulty, especially from the likes of the 3rd raikage and muu.

It's a one vs one, not a gaunlet, just a one vs one against the kages individually

You mean Minato, a man with clear capabilities of making clones to pose as himself and teleporting at a very low chakra cost cannot buy time? I don't really care why Kishi gave it to him or if it was an asspull, its Canon. Its there. If you disregard that, if you start pulling logic out of a story as flawed and rushed as Naruto, this entire forum falls apart. Buy anyway....

Out of all Senjutsu users, Minato is the most capable one at buying time

And he would take out Muu if he had access to it.

If you really don't wanna discuss this as you claimed you didn't leave it at this and don't correct me. Don't take me wrong, I'd be more than pleased to go deeper into the rabbit hole to try and make my point, but you said you wanted to leave this point aside, so I think its at least cordial to give you the chance to leave it be before we disregard that request completely.

The asspull part is not my excuse on minato not been able to fight with SM, my point is, he can't gather SM chakra in a one vs one, hypothetical muu should be able to use doton clones, and they oneshot minato's clones like how they'd one shot minato by stabbing him, and minato created 1 or 2 clones, I think it's one

 

[Guntah]

It's a one vs one, not a gaunlet, just a one vs one against the kages individually



The asspull part is not my excuse on minato not been able to fight with SM, my point is, he can't gather SM chakra in a one vs one, hypothetical muu should be able to use doton clones, and they oneshot minato's clones like how they'd one shot minato by stabbing him, and minato created 1 or 2 clones, I think it's one

Well, I'm calling that a discussion.

Just because he created one or two clones doesn't mean he can only create one or two clones. He was shown to summon Gamabunta without any notable struggle, I think that speaks for his chakra reserves to some extent. Like....with some struggle, he'd be able to make a couple clones. Though its not like he needs more than two because, you know...

Muu never used Doton clones. The closest to a clone technique he's ever used, actually, is his separation technique.

 

[Uchihakil]

Well, I'm calling that a discussion.

Just because he created one or two clones doesn't mean he can only create one or two clones. He was shown to summon Gamabunta without any notable struggle, I think that speaks for his chakra reserves to some extent. Like....with some struggle, he'd be able to make a couple clones. Though its not like he needs more than two because, you know...

Muu never used Doton clones. The closest to a clone technique he's ever used, actually, is his separation technique.

Dude you broke the hypothetical feat barrier when you said minato can use lightning release, technically muu as a kage (has access to jutsu scroll) and as a mentor of ohnoki, and due to the fact that Earth affinity is the number 1 affinity to all land of Earth shinobies, technically he can use doton clones.

That's why hypothetical matchups are not a good idea

 

[Deadlift]

He beats all of them individually. However Muu is very tough and so is Gaara if the battle is in the desert. Minato is superior to Ay in speed, therefore he outclasses 3d raikage as well (who is slower than Ay). Gengetsu gets shattered apart and Ohnoki loses mid difficulty

 

[Uchihakil]

He beats all of them individually. However Muu is very tough and so is Gaara if the battle is in the desert. Minato is superior to Ay in speed, therefore he outclasses 3d raikage as well (who is slower than Ay). Gengetsu gets shattered apart and Ohnoki loses mid difficulty

Dude bring something new to the plate, what you said have been said earlier and I've debunked suck claims, so what's left is for you to debunk or bring something new that's not been said

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[Deadlift]

Dude bring something new to the plate, what you said have been said earlier and I've debunked suck claims, so what's left is for you to debunk or bring something new that's not been said

i

I actually didn't read the replies :|

 

[Uchihakil]

I actually didn't read the replies :|

Then you should try reading'em as what you said have been addressed

 

[super yang]

he loses to gaara & muu

he can find the clam w/ finger sensing+clones+mass ftg kunai, then counter joki boi by ignoring it & killing the vulnerable & hiding gengetsu
onoki will be outlasted & the raikages get their necks broken

 

[Guntah]

Dude you broke the hypothetical feat barrier when you said minato can use lightning release, technically muu as a kage (has access to jutsu scroll) and as a mentor of ohnoki, and due to the fact that Earth affinity is the number 1 affinity to all land of Earth shinobies, technically he can use doton clones.

That's why hypothetical matchups are not a good idea

Well, the two diferences in between that scenario and this is that one, that was stated somewhere that Minato could use raiton, and two, we agreed that without it Minato would never beat Gengetsu in a one on one. Also, you're wrong there. Earth is not the number one affinity to all earth Shinobi just like Katon isn't for all leaf Shinobi, with both Naruto and Kakashi as an example. Besides, dust release is a Kekkei Tota, three affinies, meaning Mu could specialize in any of them over earth release, who knows...

Like I said, sometimes Naruto turns out not to be the best built manga for this kind of in depth availing.

 

[Uchihakil]

he loses to gaara & muu

he can find the clam w/ finger sensing+clones+mass ftg kunai, then counter joki boi by ignoring it & killing the vulnerable & hiding gengetsu
onoki will be outlasted & the raikages get their necks broken

Necks broken??? The raikage's ??? Necks broken you say, you got to be kidding me, how the hell does he break their necks? Each one of the raikages can tank anything minato dishes out

- gengetsu has a liquid body, so nothing in minato's arsenal can take him down

 

[Uchihakil]

Well, the two diferences in between that scenario and this is that one, that was stated somewhere that Minato could use raiton, and two, we agreed that without it Minato would never beat Gengetsu in a one on one. Also, you're wrong there. Earth is not the number one affinity to all earth Shinobi just like Katon isn't for all leaf Shinobi, with both Naruto and Kakashi as an example. Besides, dust release is a Kekkei Tota, three affinies, meaning Mu could specialize in any of them over earth release, who knows...

Like I said, sometimes Naruto turns out not to be the best built manga for this kind of in depth availing.

Well we know ohnoki is an earth user nevertheless, he can use the lightened weight jutsu to fly or what ever you call it, an advanced form of earth style technique, and he is ohnokis mentor and a kage, so I'm pretty sure he can use earth clones, hypothetically speaking

 

[Guntah]

Well we know ohnoki is an earth user nevertheless, he can use the lightened weight jutsu to fly or what ever you call it, an advanced form of earth style technique, and he is ohnokis mentor and a kage, so I'm pretty sure he can use earth clones, hypothetically speaking

So without speaking hypothetically, if we take solely canon feats into consideration, Minato would defeat him because he does not have Earth Clones to help him take out Minato's own clones while keeping himself concealed?

 

[Uchihakil]

So without speaking hypothetically, if we take solely canon feats into consideration, Minato would defeat him because he does not have Earth Clones to help him take out Minato's own clones while keeping himself concealed?

Nope, minato created a clone, so muu just flies up to him and stabs the clone, while the real minato is kneading chakra to gather sage mode chakra, so he basically can't help the clone, then muu attacks minato like he did with his clone, it's like zabuza's silent kill, but an undectectable one if you aint a contact sensor or have blessed eyes, or muu can split using fission and stab the real and cloned minato at the same time

 

[Guntah]

Nope, minato created a clone, so muu just flies up to him and stabs the clone, while the real minato is kneading chakra to gather sage mode chakra, so he basically can't help the clone, then muu attacks minato like he did with his clone, it's like zabuza's silent kill, but an undectectable one if you aint a contact sensor or have blessed eyes, or muu can split using fission and stab the real and cloned minato at the same time

Well....

I already made the point that Minato can of course create more than one clone. The Shadow Clone technique is a canon feat of his and...well, he's a kage for hell's sake. If freaking Boruto can create four clones, so can Minato. If Muu happens to take out a clone, Minato, or at least one of his clones, WILL mark him. Why? Minato is a fast man, not only because he can teleport, but his reaction time is unmatched. He was able to throw his kunai behind Ay just as the Raikage was about to hit him full speed, he was able to get Naruto with a paper bomb tag on him when it was moments away from exploding. He can tag Muu, and from there, its a done.

Like I said, this fight is a waiting game, and Minato has the right tools to play it.

 

[Uchihakil]

Well....

I already made the point that Minato can of course create more than one clone. The Shadow Clone technique is a canon feat of his and...well, he's a kage for hell's sake. If freaking Boruto can create four clones, so can Minato. If Muu happens to take out a clone, Minato, or at least one of his clones, WILL mark him. Why? Minato is a fast man, not only because he can teleport, but his reaction time is unmatched. He was able to throw his kunai behind Ay just as the Raikage was about to hit him full speed, he was able to get Naruto with a paper bomb tag on him when it was moments away from exploding. He can tag Muu, and from there, its a done.

Like I said, this fight is a waiting game, and Minato has the right tools to play it.

Yea then I said, muu counters with doton bunshin, if you believe minato can use 2+ clones (which I do) then you should know that muu can create equal amount of clones too