Alive minato vs these kages

[Uchihakil]

Which amongst these kages does minato beat

1. 3rd raikage
2. Gengetsu
3. War arc gaara
4. Muu sama
5. Raikage
6. Ohnoki

Restriction: no 3 second sage mode crap, who does he beat amongst these kages

 

[BlueMeteor]

I think he for sure beats ohnoki and ay. and probably gengetsu with high diff. I think he would have a hard time with 3rd raikage but he would probably win considering he can beat ay and even naruto was able to figure out a way to beat him.


Muu is a tough one. If mu goes invisible and erases his chakra then he can sneak up on minato pretty easily and just shank that man in the back. I never know how to compare muu in fights just cuss he can erase his prescence. Sort of the same thing with gaara. I think minato is a lot stronger but if gaara just shields himself in sand that sort of cancels out the offensive effects of ftg. So it comes down to if rasengan can break through sand armor or that bs sand circle that gaara used against sasuke.

 

[Uchihakil]

I think he for sure beats ohnoki and ay. and probably gengetsu with high diff. I think he would have a hard time with 3rd raikage but he would probably win considering he can beat ay and even naruto was able to figure out a way to beat him.


Muu is a tough one. If mu goes invisible and erases his chakra then he can sneak up on minato pretty easily and just shank that man in the back. I never know how to compare muu in fights just cuss he can erase his prescence. Sort of the same thing with gaara. I think minato is a lot stronger but if gaara just shields himself in sand that sort of cancels out the offensive effects of ftg. So it comes down to if rasengan can break through sand armor or that bs sand circle that gaara used against sasuke.

-3rd raikage straight up tanks rasengan, minato won't know how to breach the raikages defence unless he has intel, without intel I don't see him winning, the raikage can cut any summon down (if he can cut hachibi and all)

- Gengetsu is made from water and oil, rasengan, kunai slashes and taijutsu aint doing nothing to him, gamabunta gets jouki bouyed, teppodama won't have any effect of characters like gengetsu and suigetsu or any member of the hozuki clan due to them being made up of water, water can't hurt water

- Muu straight up oneshots, goes invisible and yank minatos headoff

- Gaara can hover in mid air, making it extremely hard for minato to attack him, he can also sink all of minatos kunais with sand

- Raikage and minato is a tossup, minato is shown to be superior, but I know rasengan aint bypassing lightning armour (he tanked chidori which is more effective, so it can go eitherway

- ohnoki has flight, flight generally makes it hard for minato to fight effectively, ohnoki can use his clones also, he can make bunta so heavy (like he did to susano), this can go eitherway too

 

[Guntah]

Minato beats every single one of those.

Just sayin'.

 

[Uchihakil]

Minato beats every single one of those.

Just sayin'.

Uhm no he does'nt, each one of them have counter or defence against rasengan/taijutsu/kunai slash/bunta either with flight/invisibility/liquid body/sand shield/lightning armour etc, minato lacks offensive fire power (alive minato that is)

 

[Guntah]

Uhm no he does'nt, each one of them have counter or defence against rasengan/taijutsu/kunai slash/bunta either with flight/invisibility/liquid body/sand shield/lightning armour etc, minato lacks offensive fire power (alive minato that is)

Oh, alive Minato...I missed that. No KCM then. Makes it a bit complicated. Not the Third Raikage then, but other then that, I can see him taking the others on and possibly winning.

 

[Uchihakil]

Oh, alive Minato...I missed that. No KCM then. Makes it a bit complicated. Not the Third Raikage then, but other then that, I can see him taking the others on and possibly winning.

He has zero chance against muu, gengetsu tanks all of minatos techniques too, gaara can sink all of minatos kunai's, hover to get out of reach, keep spamming sand attacks from mid air, his only real chance is against ohnoki, even then ohnoki would give minato a tough time due to flight

 

[Guntah]

He has zero chance against muu, gengetsu tanks all of minatos techniques too, gaara can sink all of minatos kunai's, hover to get out of reach, keep spamming sand attacks from mid air, his only real chance is against ohnoki, even then ohnoki would give minato a tough time due to flight

Muu would be a waiting game, certainly the hardest opponent of the mentioned ones. He is always hidden, but Minato spreads his kunai everywhere and in a fraction of a second with the faintest sound he could teleport away. I'd imagine something as keen as Sage Mode sensing would be able to get to Muu, so if Minato manages to buy enough time with summons he'd be able to get to Muu and finish this. Also, if Muu screws up and Minato so much as touches him, it is over. His cover is blown and Minato can teleport to him no matter how far he will fly.

And I'd agree with Gengetsu, as everything else has already been pointed out by yourself in the previous post...except for one thing, some databook info on Minato.

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Minato has Raiton.

Now I don't know to what degree that is, but even if his knowledge on the element is as basic as it gets, as long as he can channel it in a kunai, he can physically wound Gengetsu, which really turns the tables on this one fight.

Then Gaara. It really depends a lot on WHERE they're fighting against Gaara. Minato's Rasengan should be enough to get through Gaara's defences seeings as its shown to be as strong as Naruto's oddama Rasengan based on his show of it against Obito and he is certainly fast enough to get past his defence...unless they're somewhere like a desert, then Minato loses. But as long as he has the time to work past the sand, Minato has this. Even hoovering won't matter much if Minato can use his toads to get to Gaara.

Against Ohnoki I'm pretty sure he'd win though. Not a maybe. High dif, but win regardless.

 

[Uchihakil]

Muu would be a waiting game, certainly the hardest opponent of the mentioned ones. He is always hidden, but Minato spreads his kunai everywhere and in a fraction of a second with the faintest sound he could teleport away. I'd imagine something as keen as Sage Mode sensing would be able to get to Muu, so if Minato manages to buy enough time with summons he'd be able to get to Muu and finish this. Also, if Muu screws up and Minato so much as touches him, it is over. His cover is blown and Minato can teleport to him no matter how far he will fly.

And I'd agree with Gengetsu, as everything else has already been pointed out by yourself in the previous post...except for one thing, some databook info on Minato.

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Minato has Raiton.

Now I don't know to what degree that is, but even if his knowledge on the element is as basic as it gets, as long as he can channel it in a kunai, he can physically wound Gengetsu, which really turns the tables on this one fight.

Then Gaara. It really depends a lot on WHERE they're fighting against Gaara. Minato's Rasengan should be enough to get through Gaara's defences seeings as its shown to be as strong as Naruto's oddama Rasengan based on his show of it against Obito and he is certainly fast enough to get past his defence...unless they're somewhere like a desert, then Minato loses. But as long as he has the time to work past the sand, Minato has this. Even hoovering won't matter much if Minato can use his toads to get to Gaara.

Against Ohnoki I'm pretty sure he'd win though. Not a maybe. High dif, but win regardless.

- first of all, muu's sense of smell is erased when he goes invisible (as seen when a fodder that attacked kid kakashi and obito, kakashi with good sense of smell said he can't smell the dude), and I restricted minato's sage mode because I don't think he can use it in battle and I don't want to debate bout it

- we have'nt seen minato use lightning, he may just have the affinity with zero training in using lightning techniques, so we can't apply it in battle also

- in gaara's case, I'm pretty sure you watched kimimaru, (part 1 gaara) turned the grassland into a dessert, iso location aint really a problem unless it's in a water logged location, even then, gaara can levitate and minato can throw his kunai's around as they'd sink

 

[Guntah]

- first of all, muu's sense of smell is erased when he goes invisible (as seen when a fodder that attacked kid kakashi and obito, kakashi with good sense of smell said he can't smell the dude), and I restricted minato's sage mode because I don't think he can use it in battle and I don't want to debate bout it

- we have'nt seen minato use lightning, he may just have the affinity with zero training in using lightning techniques, so we can't apply it in battle also

- in gaara's case, I'm pretty sure you watched kimimaru, (part 1 gaara) turned the grassland into a dessert, iso location aint really a problem unless it's in a water logged location, even then, gaara can levitate and minato can throw his kunai's around as they'd sink

...well, if you're gonna restrict a character's proven affinity and his biggest powerup, it gets hard to argue. Its basically molding the conditions so he is set to have no chance of winning.

Gaara though. That is still debatable. I do remember Kimimaro, but that's why I mentioned the time. Gaara had to keep his sand molding on and on undergrond to get enough of it to cover the entire landscape, I'm convinced Minato can take him out without his Sage Mode before that time limit hits.

 

[Uchihakil]

...well, if you're gonna restrict a character's proven affinity and his biggest powerup, it gets hard to argue. Its basically molding the conditions so he is set to have no chance of winning.

Gaara though. That is still debatable. I do remember Kimimaro, but that's why I mentioned the time. Gaara had to keep his sand molding on and on undergrond to get enough of it to cover the entire landscape, I'm convinced Minato can take him out without his Sage Mode before that time limit hits.

I'm not really retricting him coz I don't think he can use sage mode in a battle, especially one on one (that's why he said he does'nt use it in battles and that it takes too long to knead senjutsu chakra) in a one vs one, nobodies letting him knead chakra, especailly with characters that can oneshot his summuns and he can't also be teleporting bout in that situation, that's why sage mode is restricted

- as I said, we have no idea if he just have the affinity and lack the training in utilizing the element, many other characters have affinities but never trained in the given element, it's not like his clan (like the uchiha for instance) have a signature technique (like fire style) that we can assume since he belongs to the clan, in his case, no, and if you read matchups, stuff like that are not used in matchups

 

[~Ethereal~]

I have no idea, how he has a chance.

 

[TheSages456]

Minato is above all of these Kage individually.

 

[Guntah]

I'm not really retricting him coz I don't think he can use sage mode in a battle, especially one on one (that's why he said he does'nt use it in battles and that it takes too long to knead senjutsu chakra) in a one vs one, nobodies letting him knead chakra, especailly with characters that can oneshot his summuns and he can't also be teleporting bout in that situation, that's why sage mode is restricted

- as I said, we have no idea if he just have the affinity and lack the training in utilizing the element, many other characters have affinities but never trained in the given element, it's not like his clan (like the uchiha for instance) have a signature technique (like fire style) that we can assume since he belongs to the clan, in his case, no, and if you read matchups, stuff like that are not used in matchups

That is the exact purpose of summons for a Sage. Just look at how Jiraiya dealt with these in the battle against Pain. He held his adversary off with a summon while he gathered nature energy to use his Senjutsu...plus, I don't think Mu can oneshot his summons without plainly revealing himself.

Its not an affinity. If its listed there its because he can use it. Everyone has the potential to use all five elements, look at Hiruzen for an example. It has nothing to do with the Sarutobi clan, so its his own struggle that got him there. Same goes for Kakashi, who can use most of the elements despite not having an affinity to all of them. My point is, if its listed as an element of theirs in the databook, its not because he has an affinity to them, but rather because he can, to some confirmed extent, use it.

 

[Uchihakil]

That is the exact purpose of summons for a Sage. Just look at how Jiraiya dealt with these in the battle against Pain. He held his adversary off with a summon while he gathered nature energy to use his Senjutsu...plus, I don't think Mu can oneshot his summons without plainly revealing himself.

Its not an affinity. If its listed there its because he can use it. Everyone has the potential to use all five elements, look at Hiruzen for an example. It has nothing to do with the Sarutobi clan, so its his own struggle that got him there. Same goes for Kakashi, who can use most of the elements despite not having an affinity to all of them. My point is, if its listed as an element of theirs in the databook, its not because he has an affinity to them, but rather because he can, to some confirmed extent, use it.

I'm sorry dude but I aint debating bout whether minato can use sage mode again, that's why I'm restricting it, because I don't wanna repeat the same arguement over and over again on this matter

- bout the affinity part, kakashi can use most elements because of his sharingan, minato does'nt have that, and hiruzen has shown the use of all elements, minato is'nt stated that he can use lightning element, if it was we can assume he can use it on his kunai, I'm sure you know that their are characters that have zero training in their other nature type right? Oh okay, I get what you mean now,so ignore what I said above, but you know only contact sensors can find gengetsu's clam in the first place right?

 

[Ambivalence]

He can tie with the 3rd Raikage via RDS and maybe lose to Gaara. The rest he beats, especially Gengetsu who has no chance at all.

 

[Uchihakil]

He can tie with the 3rd Raikage via RDS and maybe lose to Gaara. The rest he beats, especially Gengetsu who has no chance at all.

- RDS is a suicide technique so it's not considered in matchups
- muu steamrolls minato
- jouki boy is a thing

 

[Ambivalence]

- RDS is a suicide technique so it's not considered in matchups

Suicide techs aren't considered a win, that's about it. I said he'd tie him with it, which he most definitely can. Otherwise Minato has no real way of hurting him.

- muu steamrolls minato

How? If you really think he can just go invisible and cut off Minato's head then...

- jouki boy is a thing

Minato dodges that thing in his sleep, including the explosion. The time it takes for it to reappear, Minato sniffs out real Gengetsu [

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]and wrecks him. Giant Clam is crushed by Food Card Destroyer or Gamabunta. Minato is one of the worst opponents for Gengetsu.

 

[Guntah]

I'm sorry dude but I aint debating bout whether minato can use sage mode again, that's why I'm restricting it, because I don't wanna repeat the same arguement over and over again on this matter

- bout the affinity part, kakashi can use most elements because of his sharingan, minato does'nt have that, and hiruzen has shown the use of all elements, minato is'nt stated that he can use lightning element, if it was we can assume he can use it on his kunai, I'm sure you know that their are characters that have zero training in their other nature type right? Oh okay, I get what you mean now,so ignore what I said above, but you know only contact sensors can find gengetsu's clam in the first place right?

Well, then if you're gonna restrict one Kage but not the other, win is nearly impossible in this scenario.

So we are agreeing he can use lightning or not? If not I'm not gonna bother arguing against you, no lightning means no damage dealt, and if Minato can't damage him, this is a losing battle.

 

[LoZelda101]

Minato solos when it comes to fleeing the battlefield:lol