ms itachi vs killer bee

[sixpaths15]

Location: naruto and killer bee vs nagato and itachi

Distance: 50 meters

Intent: kill

Intel: itachi knows killer bee is the jin of 8 tails and that he can control its power.

Conditions: killer bee has his 8 swords and samehada. itachi is healthy has his ms sight fully restored to when he first awakened it.

Restrictions: none.

who wins and why?

 

[Angelic.]

please explain how itachi solos. i'd just love to hear how itachi wins. he has nothing going for him other than the most overrated jutsu in history called solo

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Killer Bee canonically failed to track Itachi's shunshin movements on two occasions, and even got caught by his 3T genjutsu. Give Itachi freedom of his actions and actual killing intent, it'll be a slaughter with Tsukiyomi ending it if Bee doesn't go into Hachibi mode. Even doing so, results in getting sealed away by Totsuka.

 

[Edogawa]

The only thing in Itachi's arsenal that could threaten Bee is Tsukuyomi, but that threat itself is only minor. Jinchuriki and Biju share a mind-dimension of their own. Naruto, when pulling Chakra rods from the Biju, was telepathically communicating with Biju's and Jinchuriki's in a dimension that not even Obito (who was controlling the Biju's) could come to. Minutes were passing by in that dimension and seconds passed by in the real world, suggesting that dimension has its own space-time.

Tsukuyomi would work on Bee, but Hachibi would switch with Bee and heal him as even Tsunade healed Sasuke from mental damage, then Bee picks up the fight. Nothing suggests Itachi can physically move and use Tsukuyomi at the same. Tsukuyomi usage deletes massive amount of his Chakra, and also physically damage him.

Bee wins low-mid difficulty.

 

[lndra]

Killer Bee wins mid diff.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Itachi could make a shadow clone and let it low diff Bee.
Itachi himself neg diffs

 

[sixpaths15]

please explain how itachi solos. i'd just love to hear how itachi wins. he has nothing going for him other than the most overrated jutsu in history called solo

i never even said itachi would win this fight. and i never say "itachi solos".

 

[Forbidden Technique]

The only thing in Itachi's arsenal that could threaten Bee is Tsukuyomi, but that threat itself is only minor. Jinchuriki and Biju share a mind-dimension of their own. Naruto, when pulling Chakra rods from the Biju, was telepathically communicating with Biju's and Jinchuriki's in a dimension that not even Obito (who was controlling the Biju's) could come to. Minutes were passing by in that dimension and seconds passed by in the real world, suggesting that dimension has its own space-time.

Real world time = internal time between a Jin and their Biju. If you read from

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page and onward for a chapter or two, you'll realize that Bee is interfering with the internal battle that is going on within Naruto from the outside world. Not only that, but everything that happens to Naruto internally is simultaneously happening in the outside world as well [

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]. Lastly, even Narutos internal conversation with his mother equates to real world time.[

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].

Tsukuyomi would work on Bee, but Hachibi would switch with Bee and heal him as even Tsunade healed Sasuke from mental damage, then Bee picks up the fight. Nothing suggests Itachi can physically move and use Tsukuyomi at the same. Tsukuyomi usage deletes massive amount of his Chakra, and also physically damage him.

Bee wins low-mid difficulty.

The most repeated inadequate counter ever by Bee supporters. Itachi can intensify and increase the duration of Tsukiyomi to his desire, as implied by the manga [

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]-[

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]. It is a fact that Itachi never wanted to kill Kakashi, which is completely within is capabilities had he wanted to [

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]. Thus, the killing potential of Tsukiyomi can be made very real by intensifying the mental torture and increasing its duration. Killing Bee, would result in the Hachibi requiring time to be

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, so the whole the switcharoo isn't possible. Even if Bee somehow managed to survive Tsukiyomi that is intended to kill the opponent, and the Hachibi switches minds with him, it is still completely canonically liable to getting controlled via Sharingan genjutsu. Either way, Tsukiyomi ends it. A healthy Itachi in part 1 was able to use Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu with little to no visible drawbacks by the way.

 

[KCN]

So, Bee basically knows nothing about Itachi? Doesn't seem very fair, especially considering that under manga circumstances Naruto had to warn Bee of Tsukuyomi's lethality [

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]. Besides, Bee's been caught in Genjutsu by significantly less skill opposition before, such as Taka Sasuke. In no scenario here do I see Itachi not being able to execute Tsukuyomi, especially under the specified stipulations by the OP.

 

[Edogawa]

Real world time = internal time between a Jin and their Biju. If you read from

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page and onward for a chapter or two, you'll realize that Bee is interfering with the internal battle that is going on within Naruto from the outside world. Not only that, but everything that happens to Naruto internally is simultaneously happening in the outside world as well [

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]-[

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]. Lastly, even Narutos internal conversation with his mother equates to real world time.[

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].

That inner world is from Eight Trigrams Sealing Style. I was referring to this inner world, [

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]. Kurama says it's different from when he and Naruto were fighting. That inner world is a result of complete control over the Biju, which Bee can do. The Biju's under Obito's control were able to mentally free themselves from his control, and Obito can't enter that inner world as opposed to Sasuke was able to enter in the start of Part 2. They were even able to lend Naruto their Chakra in that very world, which became physical Chakra in the real world.

That being said, Bee is completely free from the physical world when he enters that inner world. Tsukuyomi shouldn't have an effect him.

The most repeated inadequate counter ever by Bee supporters. Itachi can intensify and increase the duration of Tsukiyomi to his desire, as implied by the manga [1]-[2]. It is a fact that Itachi never wanted to kill Kakashi, which is completely within is capabilities had he wanted to [X]. Thus, the killing potential of Tsukiyomi can be made very real by intensifying the mental torture and increasing its duration. Killing Bee, would result in the Hachibi requiring time to be revived, so the whole the switcharoo isn't possible. Even if Bee somehow managed to survive Tsukiyomi that is intended to kill the opponent, and the Hachibi switches minds with him, it is still completely canonically liable to getting controlled via Sharingan genjutsu. Either way, Tsukiyomi ends it. A healthy Itachi in part 1 was able to use Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu with little to no visible drawbacks by the way.

Itachi already said that using Tsukuyomi puts a physical strain on his body in P1. [

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] He can't move while focusing large amount of Chakra to attack his enemy. [

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] Tsunade was able to heal Kakashi and Sasuke from the mental; saying Hachibi can't do so when its Chakra showed better healing powers is ridiculous.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That inner world is from Eight Trigrams Sealing Style. I was referring to this inner world, [

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]. Kurama says it's different from when he and Naruto were fighting. That inner world is a result of complete control over the Biju, which Bee can do. The Biju's under Obito's control were able to mentally free themselves from his control, and Obito can't enter that inner world as opposed to Sasuke was able to enter in the start of Part 2. They were even able to lend Naruto their Chakra in that very world, which became physical Chakra in the real world.

That being said, Bee is completely free from the physical world when he enters that inner world. Tsukuyomi shouldn't have an effect him.

Which is the one that Naruto uses to switch back and forth with Kurama, not the one you're referring to. The one you're referring to occurred only once, and was

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(as well as Naruto having physical contact with all of them). This was never implied to be something that Naruto and Bee have access to whenever they want. In any case, time didn't progress in the real world here anyways. I do not see how this even begins to grant immunity to Tsukiyomi.

Itachi already said that using Tsukuyomi puts a physical strain on his body in P1. [

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] He can't move while focusing large amount of Chakra to attack his enemy. [

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] Tsunade was able to heal Kakashi and Sasuke from the mental; saying Hachibi can't do so when its Chakra showed better healing powers is ridiculous.

Yes, it does. But not enough to make him collapse, like it did when he was fatally sick. He was still freely moving, was he not? That second scan was referring to Sasuke not being able to move, but Itachi was sick there anyways. In part 1 he used Tsukiyomi on Kakashi, and was fine. It took days or weeks for Tsunade to heal Kakashi and Sasuke. Severe head trauma is not the same as physical wounds. You have nothing from the manga to support your assertion that the Hachibi can easily heal Bee from this. I also explained to you why Tsukiyomi would kill Bee, which you ignored.

 

[Edogawa]

Which is the one that Naruto uses to switch back and forth with Kurama, not the one you're referring to. The one you're referring to occurred only once, and was

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(as well as Naruto having physical contact with all of them). This was never implied to be something that Naruto and Bee have access to whenever they want. In any case, time didn't progress in the real world here anyways. I do not see how this even begins to grant immunity to Tsukiyomi.

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That inner world wasn't due to the 5 Tails as Naruto entered with the 4 Tails. Besides that, Kurama said this inner world is a result of Biju mastery.

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Naruto and Bee have access to it since they are Perfect Jinchuriki's. How this counters Tsukuyomi is, Bee's mental self would be free Tsukuyomi that is affecting Bee in the real world. He switches freely with Hachibi and heals himself for the time being.

Yes, it does. But not enough to make him collapse, like it did when he was fatally sick. He was still freely moving, was he not? That second scan was referring to Sasuke not being able to move, but Itachi was sick there anyways. In part 1 he used Tsukiyomi on Kakashi, and was fine. It took days or weeks for Tsunade to heal Kakashi and Sasuke. Severe head trauma is not the same as physical wounds. You have nothing from the manga to support your assertion that the Hachibi can easily heal Bee from this. I also explained to you why Tsukiyomi would kill Bee, which you ignored.

''Healthy'' Itachi is a fan-made and never existed in the manga. You can't possibly determine his level of Chakra and stamina. You can only assert by what's been shown in the manga. Itachi's maximum limit of MS usage is 3 times a day; if he exceeds that limit, he dies out of exhaustion. If he uses Tsukuyomi on Bee, he deleted 1/3 of his Chakra. In his fight against Sasuke, he used Tsukuyomi and 2 Amatersu; the moment he activated Susanoo, his death was certain.

Anyway, I'm not going to discuss this for too long, so I'm going to make my final point and you are free to disagree. Combating an Uchiha Genjutsu is something common in the manga. Bee either can counter Tsukuyomi by what I have presented or by creating Ink Clones, to divert Itachi from knowing the real one. I will also add Databook III on here:

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Genjutsu can't work on Perfect Jinchuriki as canonically stated and shown.

 

[LoZelda101]

please explain how itachi solos. i'd just love to hear how itachi wins. he has nothing going for him other than the most overrated jutsu in history called solo

Same way sasuke would had killed kb had he not held back:lol

 

[LoZelda101]

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That inner world wasn't due to the 5 Tails as Naruto entered with the 4 Tails. Besides that, Kurama said this inner world is a result of Biju mastery.

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Naruto and Bee have access to it since they are Perfect Jinchuriki's. How this counters Tsukuyomi is, Bee's mental self would be free Tsukuyomi that is affecting Bee in the real world. He switches freely with Hachibi and heals himself for the time being.



''Healthy'' Itachi is a fan-made and never existed in the manga. You can't possibly determine his level of Chakra and stamina. You can only assert by what's been shown in the manga. Itachi's maximum limit of MS usage is 3 times a day; if he exceeds that limit, he dies out of exhaustion. If he uses Tsukuyomi on Bee, he deleted 1/3 of his Chakra. In his fight against Sasuke, he used Tsukuyomi and 2 Amatersu; the moment he activated Susanoo, his death was certain.

Anyway, I'm not going to discuss this for too long, so I'm going to make my final point and you are free to disagree. Combating an Uchiha Genjutsu is something common in the manga. Bee either can counter Tsukuyomi by what I have presented or by creating Ink Clones, to divert Itachi from knowing the real one. I will also add Databook III on here:

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Genjutsu can't work on Perfect Jinchuriki as canonically stated and shown.

Wrong.

1) perfect jinks still have a mininum downtime from gen
2) time manipulation in tsukuyomi mindrapes KB.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That inner world wasn't due to the 5 Tails as Naruto entered with the 4 Tails. Besides that, Kurama said this inner world is a result of Biju mastery.

Naruto and Bee have access to it since they are Perfect Jinchuriki's. How this counters Tsukuyomi is, Bee's mental self would be free Tsukuyomi that is affecting Bee in the real world. He switches freely with Hachibi and heals himself for the time being.

You're mistaken. The Yonbi is the 4 tails, not the 5 tails. The manga states that they all gathered there due to the Yonbi's request, which also only occurred when Naruto was in direct physical contact with all of them. It's also has to do with having a deeper link with the Bijuu, not Bijuu mastery. All of them aside from Yagura, weren't perfect jins. When strategising amongst their individual selves, this isn't the inner Bijuu dimension that is used. You're claiming Bee would enter a deeper dimension used to discuss amongst the other Biju based on non practical reasoning. Not like this really even matters. Assuming all goes to plan, and Bee switches minds with the Hachibi, the Hachibi alone by himself without his Jin is liable to being controlled by Sharingan genjutsu. Just like Kurama was controlled by Madara and a young Obito.

The Hachibi switching minds with Bee doesn't change or stop how Bee's brain is sending signals to the body. When Tsukiyomi hit Kakashi he was mentally and physically exhausted, and collapsed. Simply switching minds doesn't negate this. Also, then assuming that Tsukiyomi didn't kill Bee in the first place, which is unlikely. It's an all in all inadequate counter, supported by nothing.

''Healthy'' Itachi is a fan-made and never existed in the manga. You can't possibly determine his level of Chakra and stamina. You can only assert by what's been shown in the manga. Itachi's maximum limit of MS usage is 3 times a day; if he exceeds that limit, he dies out of exhaustion. If he uses Tsukuyomi on Bee, he deleted 1/3 of his Chakra. In his fight against Sasuke, he used Tsukuyomi and 2 Amatersu; the moment he activated Susanoo, his death was certain.

Anyway, I'm not going to discuss this for too long, so I'm going to make my final point and you are free to disagree. Combating an Uchiha Genjutsu is something common in the manga. Bee either can counter Tsukuyomi by what I have presented or by creating Ink Clones, to divert Itachi from knowing the real one. I will also add Databook III on here:

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Genjutsu can't work on Perfect Jinchuriki as canonically stated and shown.

Part 1 Itachi or Edo Itachi is an accurate description of a 'healthy' Itachi. Where was it stated in the manga that Itachi's maximum MS usage is three times? Because you basically just defeated the assertion by stating that he used it four times. This was also while being terminally ill, and depleted stamina. Also, we're not even considering all the other jutsu he used against Sasuke, or the long duration and amount of times he used Susano'o (twice). Everything you stated is false.

You're counter to Tsukiyomi doesn't work, but okay. Bee's Ink clones are not Kage Bunshins, and are visibly distinguishable from the original. Genjutsu does work on Perfect Jinchuriki's. They're only able to break out of it, which isn't done instantly. Tsukiyomi is unbreakable if the very specific requirements aren't met. Bee doesn't meet those requirements.

 

[Lariatoo]

Wow. This again?
Itachi by portrayal and feats. Naruto implied that Eight Tails could not break Bee from Tsukuyomi in time and Amaterasu canonically made Bee restort to tricks and hiding. Plus Totsuka gets a big target if Bee turma into BM