Sage mode - not for weakling

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I've seen many people misunderstood the manga to the point they thought anyone could've learned sage mode if given chance to learn it.
Let's look at the manga facts first :lol

What is sage mode ?
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What are those energy and where they coming from ?
Nature energy, ofc coming from outside of body, from nature itself
Spiritual energy can be gained by experience, training
But the tricky one here is PHYSICAL ENERGY that only coming from your body cell
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Why there are only 4 original senjutsu user (not counting cheaters), where are the rest ?
dead ofc :lol
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Lets look closely at those users:
Hashirama from senju + his dna = kkg mokuton, can use perfect senjutsu

Minato the genius who only need to observer bijuu bomb and able to replicate it into mini version without help from any kkg or dojutsu....... he is true genius who've mastered many high level tech......... well only manage to maintain senjutsu for like what, 5 minutes.

Jiraiya, legendary sannin, who took his whole life to do research and travel with his frogs. That man has so much experience and training, yet only able to make imperfect senjutsu.

Naruto, half Uzumaki, having the strongest tailed beast that constantly prevent him from controlling his own chakra, was able to perfect senjutsu within short amount of time. Naruto was still young, lack of experience at the time.


Well, isnt that obivous ? Only natural Senju and half Uzumaki can perfect sage mode by normal training in short of time.
The rest either being dead, cheaters or imperfect mode. Even Jugoo, who was born to have a body that can sync with nature still not able to maintain his normal looks but imperfect mode like Jiraiya.

Then what are natural Uchiha compared to those people ? :lol
Yes they are known for strong spiritual energy and that is why they having strong chakra.... but calm ur tits :lol as above manga fact already said Spiritual energy can be gained by experience and training, Jiraiya has ton of it but still failed to perfect his sage mode and he has to prepare quite long time for it :lol

brb, will write more later :lol

What is perfect sage mode - perfect sage mode is when you can maintain your looks and maintain the amount of senjutsu for combat.
Misconception for Jiraiya case and Minato case, they are not in perfect mode since : Jiraiya case has enough of senjutsu to fight pain from start to end - not nessesary long but it should be balanced with your chakra in large amount.
While Minato case, he did balanced the chakra so well, but since he admitted that he can only maintain senjutsu for 5 minutes mean either: he can only took in a small amount of nature energy and it will last for 5 minutes OR his skill to keep up the nature energy to be balanced only last for 5 minutes.

Either case are not perfect since both can not balanced the chakra and maintain the balance they took through out combat or at least out of chakra.
 
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Minato and Jiraiya are terrible examples because they're not of Otsutsuki lineage. Indra's transmigrants meet the requirements to master Sage Mode better than Minato but only Senju and Uzumaki have the potential to use NE to its full extent because Ashura inherited the body of a Six Path Senjutsu user.
 

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5 Smiley faces in one post. WOW!!!

I hold the CR of that smiley. He should pay me the royalty.

Edit: Maybe you missed something here.

Although Minato can only maintained his SM for short time but he managed to obtained Perfect SM

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And he was not even half Uzumaki or Senju.
 
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You forgot about Kabuto -_-

Kabuo had to transplant Orochimaru's flesh into his body in order to handle the Snake senjutsu, and his SM wasn't even perfect because he never displayed the ability to de-activate it or absorb NE willingly.
 

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Anyone that doesn't have Ashura's body like Naruto and Hashirama

I'd say Ashura avatar's can achieve the highest form of SM that is RSM, as for others I believe they can learn at least the normal sage modes like Toad and Snake SM and even perfect them.
 

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I hold the CR of that smiley. He should pay me the royalty.

Edit: Maybe you missed something here.

Although Minato can only maintained his SM for short time but he managed to obtained Perfect SM

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And he was not even half Uzumaki or Senju.

:lol maybe you should go back and read what is mean to be perfect sage mode and what is imperfect sage mode :lol
having lowfie alts to like imperfect counter is really funny too :lol
 

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:lol maybe you should go back and read what is mean to be perfect sage mode and what is imperfect sage mode :lol
having lowfie alts to like imperfect counter is really funny too :lol

Jiraya Sage Mode is not complete, he needs Fukasaku and Shima to be with him in order to control the nature chakra. The frog appearance means the user inst completely controlling that power, if he continues would be transformed into stone (this is why those 2 frogs stand on his shoulder). Naruto on the other hand , due its large chakra reserves, can master sage mode, and not showing any physical traits of frogs (except the eyes, and the yellow things arround it, these are the marks of a true sage).

Jiraiya, as stated by Fukasaku, was unable to perfectly balance physical, spiritual and natural energies, and as such couldn't enter a "perfect" Sage Mode. According to Fukasaku, one becomes a "true" Sage when the only physical changes are the markings around the eyes (and the horns in Kabuto's case).

Fukusaku and Shima also stated that you cannot collect senki/shizenki (nature energy) while moving, and that at best you could only last 5 minutes with the collected energy. Having the two of them there allowed Jiraiya to fight indefinitely as a sage while they could collect energy.

At best Minato achieved incomplete or lower tier perfect Sage Mode as he couldnt collect NE while moving unlike Naruto.
 

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Jiraya Sage Mode is not complete, he needs Fukasaku and Shima to be with him in order to control the nature chakra. The frog appearance means the user inst completely controlling that power, if he continues would be transformed into stone (this is why those 2 frogs stand on his shoulder). Naruto on the other hand , due its large chakra reserves, can master sage mode, and not showing any physical traits of frogs (except the eyes, and the yellow things arround it, these are the marks of a true sage).

Jiraiya, as stated by Fukasaku, was unable to perfectly balance physical, spiritual and natural energies, and as such couldn't enter a "perfect" Sage Mode. According to Fukasaku, one becomes a "true" Sage when the only physical changes are the markings around the eyes (and the horns in Kabuto's case).

Fukusaku and Shima also stated that you cannot collect senki/shizenki (nature energy) while moving, and that at best you could only last 5 minutes with the collected energy. Having the two of them there allowed Jiraiya to fight indefinitely as a sage while they could collect energy.

At best Minato achieved incomplete or lower tier perfect Sage Mode as he couldnt collect NE while moving unlike Naruto.

well i just add to the topic what is mean to be imperfect sage mode, you also said it yourself. Imperfect mean either the amount of nature energy you took are not completely balanced or you dont have enough of skill to keep it up but only short of times.

Perfect is mean you can do it at free will without having any hindrance. Naruto by passed this by first making clones for it, but later when he took down Kurama and having his control at freewill, he could've entered the sage mode without any hindrance and can maintain it perfectly until the end or out of chakra.
 

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well i just add to the topic what is mean to be imperfect sage mode, you also said it yourself. Imperfect mean either the amount of nature energy you took are not completely balanced or you dont have enough of skill to keep it up but only short of times.

Perfect is mean you can do it at free will without having any hindrance. Naruto by passed this by first making clones for it, but later when he took down Kurama and having his control at freewill, he could've entered the sage mode without any hindrance and can maintain it perfectly until the end or out of chakra.

You're right

Minato actually achieved a balance Frog SM similar to Naruto but not Jiraiya.

But Minato still not achieved the prefect SM where one can collect NE in any conditions to maintain SM for far longer.
 

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correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't minato sage mode state the same as naruto?
the only difference is the duration, and naruto uses clone to gather NE for him while he fights.
if they both have the same state in sage mode wouldn't that mean they both master entering it perfectly.
in my opinion if the only difference is who can maintain in longer due to having larger chakra pools well minato and naruto have mastered perfect sage mode.

kabuto actively absorbs NE and it doesn't seem to bother him due to jugo cells but never the less he re entered it to save sasuke so despite the mods he has he did go to the snake sage and now he can freely enter sage mode so where does that put him.

and again i think they said that orochimara's body couldn't tolerate it much but i think its because of the body he had at the time.
 
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