[VS] Crocodile vs Eustass Kid

[ToshiZO]

And how does that change the fact that MF Luffy tanked a hit from Buddha Sengoku. Luffy was already very exhausted by the time that Kizaru kicked him.

Because he was running on a hormone boost?

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You can try and compare the two situations (Croc and Luffy) all you want, won't change the fact that they aren't the same.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Because he was running on a hormone boost?

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You can try and compare the two situations (Croc and Luffy) all you want, won't change the fact that they aren't the same.

The hormones didn't make Luffy more durable. They just let him ignore pain that he has already taken, not pain that he will receive in the future.

 

[ToshiZO]

The hormones didn't make Luffy more durable. They just let him ignore pain that he has already taken.

Lmao this has nothing to do with durability. It has to do with endurance and the hormones affect ones endurance, allowing your body to go past its endurance limit.

Ignoring pain is in fact a form of endurance.

not pain that he will receive in the future.

Lol...surviving ≠ tanking.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Lmao this has nothing to do with durability. It has to do with endurance and the hormones affect ones endurance, allowing your body to go past its endurance limit.

Ignoring pain is in fact a form of endurance.


Lol...surviving ≠ tanking.

No the hormones just enable you to pretend like you have taken no damage. For example, if MF Luffy was at 10/100 before he got the hormone shot, then after he gets it, his mind will pretend like he's at 100/100 when he's really at 10/100.

 

[ToshiZO]

No the hormones just enable you to pretend like you have taken no damage. For example, if MF Luffy was at 10/100 before he got the hormone shot, then after he gets it, his mind will pretend like he's at 100/100 when he's really at 10/100.

Lmfao...dawg.

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was Luffy before the injection.

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was him after. It allows him to endure past his limit. Literally nothing you say is relevant to this discussion.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Lmfao...dawg.

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was Luffy before the injection.

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was him after. It allows him to endure past his limit. Literally nothing you say is relevant to this discussion.

That's not how Ivankov's hormones work.... Reread my previous post. They just let the person mentally ignore any damage they have taken. However, the physical damage received is still there.

 

[ToshiZO]

That's not how Ivankov's hormones work.... Reread my previous post. They just let the person mentally ignore any damage they have taken. However, the physical damage received is still there.

This is getting annoying. Heres what I'm saying: Even if what you say is true, it means jack shit. Because ignoring pain is directly linked to endurance, heck the act of ignoring pain is what you would call endurance to begin with.

So did Luffy's endurance alone tank that attack? No.

The End.

BUT just in case you make me waste another reply here is what Ivankov said.

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which means he can go past his endurance limit, as he ignores fatigue.

You need to understand what endurance means and how these hormones affect it before quoting me again, I think you're confusing durability with endurance.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

That's not how Ivankov's hormones work.... Reread my previous post. They just let the person mentally ignore any damage they have taken. However, the physical damage received is still there.

"They just let the person mentally ignore the damage"

Exactly, which means without it, luffy wouldn't be able to ignore the damage, thus won't be able to endure longer with beacuse ignoring damage despite its effect is the same as enduring

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This is getting annoying. Heres what I'm saying: Even if what you say is true, it means jack shit. Because ignoring pain is directly linked to endurance, heck the act of ignoring pain is what you would call endurance to begin with.

So did Luffy's endurance alone tank that attack? No.

The End.

BUT just in case you make me waste another reply here is what Ivankov said.

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which means he can go past his endurance limit, as he ignores fatigue.

You need to understand what endurance means and how these hormones affect it before quoting me again, I think you're confusing durability with endurance.

He can ignore the fatigue that he has ALREADY taken by the time he gets the shot. Ivankov never says that Luffy will never be able to ignore the fatigue he will receive in the future. Idk why you can't understand this.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He can ignore the fatigue that he has ALREADY taken by the time he gets the shot. Ivankov never says that Luffy will never be able to ignore the fatigue he will receive in the future. Idk why you can't understand this.

Didnt he say it shortens lifespan or something

 

[Kingu]

wtf happened to Crocodile vs Eustass Kid??

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Didnt he say it shortens lifespan or something

That was the first hormone shot that Ivankov gave to Luffy to make him resistant to Magellan's poison.

 

[MickNerks]

I'm thinking Crocodile takes this.

I don't see how Killer and Kid escapes crocodiles large scale attacks. Crocodile was able to catch

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. That same attack would kill Kid or Killer. And I dont think we should contiune to use luffy vs Crocodile as a standard when we clearly saw crocodile hold his own against

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, Mihawk, and

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. Had alabasta luffy gone up against doflamingo during Marineford it would have been an instant slaughter, so it seem almost obvious Oda re-established crocodiles strength in Marineford.

And I do think a fight between fight between 1 and Killer leans closer to the side of Mr.1 seeign how currently Killers feats are avarage at best.

I see this going to Crocodile and Mr. 1 with High Diff

I think you messed up with the order of the pictures....

I did, Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I'm thinking Crocodile takes this.

I don't see how Killer and Kid escapes crocodiles large scale attacks. Crocodile was able to catch

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. That same attack would kill Kid or Killer. And I dont think we should contiune to use luffy vs Crocodile as a standard when we clearly saw crocodile hold his own against

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, Mihawk, and

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. Had alabasta luffy gone up against doflamingo during Marineford it would have been an instant slaughter, so it seem almost obvious Oda re-established crocodiles strength in Marineford.

And I do think a fight between fight between 1 and Killer leans closer to the side of Mr.1 seeign how currently Killers feats are avarage at best.

I see this going to Crocodile and Mr. 1 with High Diff





I did, Thanks for pointing that out.

Crocodile didn't do anything impressive against Doffy, Mihawk, or Jozu. All he managed to do was survive one hit from Jozu, which isn't impressive since MF Luffy survived a hit from Buddha Sengoku, who is strknger than Jozu, and Croc was about to get beaten him by Jozu before Doffy saved him. All he did against Mihawk was try to attack him, and Croc got blocked by him. All he did against Doffy was try to attack him with his hook, and Doffy, who wasn't even acting serious, casually blocked it with his foot. Landing an attack with no Haki on a distracted Akainu isn't impressive since fodders did the same thing.

Lmfao did you seriously say that Mr.1, who lost to Alabasta Zoro, could beat a Post-TS Supernova?

 

[MickNerks]

Crocodile didn't do anything impressive against Doffy, Mihawk, or Jozu. All he managed to do was survive one hit from Jozu, which isn't impressive since MF Luffy survived a hit from Buddha Sengoku, who is strknger than Jozu, and Croc was about to get beaten him by Jozu before Doffy saved him. All he did against Mihawk was try to attack him, and Croc got blocked by him. All he did against Doffy was try to attack him with his hook, and Doffy, who wasn't even acting serious, casually blocked it with his foot. Landing an attack with no Haki on a distracted Akainu isn't impressive since fodders did the same thing.

Lmfao did you seriously say that Mr.1, who lost to Alabasta Zoro, could beat a Post-TS Supernova?

1. Im confused how you think Luffy surviving an attack from sengoku takes away from anything Crocodile did during the war. Nothing Luffy did during the war has any relation to Marineford Crocodile's Strength. Once again, my point was to suggest that Oda had re-established Crocodile's strength during marineford by putting him up against multiple Sub-Admiral level opponent. Besides that there still is no effective counter you can provide that proves that Kid and Killer can handle Crocodile, who has completely mastered (Awakened) his devil fruit. Crocodiles using shambles alone would leave Kid defenseless as it has been shown to be powerful enough to crack and tear through steel. He's mastered his reflexes to the pont where he can automatically turn his body to sand if he is attacked. So please explain who you believe Kid could defeat Crocodile, because I am genuinely curious to learn how.


2. Zoro won that fight with

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, and to try to use that fight to justify Post-TS Mr. 1's strength would suggest that you believe he did not get stronger after alabasta, which doesnt match up to the One Piece story pattern. Every Character has gotten stronger since thier introduction into the story. All I was saying is that if you match Mr. 1's actual feats up with Killers, Mr. 1 has better feats. Also, stating that that Killer is automatically stronger than Mr.1 because he is a post timeskip supernova is ridiculous.

I could name multiple characters (non admiral level) who could beat a supernova:

• Nico Robin
• Sanji
• Magellan
• Shiliew
• Monet
• Pica
• Vergo
• Don Sai

 

[ssjelf]

Basically depends on how much stronger croc got after the time skip. He isn't done as a character, that much is sure, and i find it hard to make him relevant if he isnt similar to killer/luffy in strength at this point. If he isnt as strong as them, then he wont come back at all because there will be no one he will fight agasint when the time comes. So for plot reasons, I believe croc has gotten a lot stronger and if might go either way extreme diff.