[Discussion] Yhwach is BROKEN!! Surpassed Naruto, DB Super, Bastard, Saint Seiya

[Loki d]

Yhwach has the power to see the future and transform it. It is prettt much fate manipulation, probability manipulation, and causality manipulation all in one.

He can see all future possibilities. Destructive capacity is irrelevant against such powers.

But ya know there will be those who will downplay Bleach and claim their abilities are[bold] no limit fallacies[/bold]

:sdo: :sdo:

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

ssjblue Goku defeated a guy who can literally see into the future

 

[Venomous Cobra]

ssjblue Goku defeated a guy who can literally see into the future

Yhwach doesn't simply just see the future, he can change it as well thus having the present the way he likes it to be. Depending on which scenario his opponent chooses to go with. Though I still think he loses to DB top tiers.


OT: definitely naruto but I don't think DB. Haven't watched saint seiya but from what I heard/saw, some of the characters are galaxy busters so I can't stand for sure (definitely gotta start the manga tbh). From what I remember shinigami did need oxygen to survive, its safe to say that other spiritual beings are on the same boat.

 

[Uzumaki Menma]

Yhwach would get shit on by any of the Eight Kings from Toriko

 

[Netflix and Chill]

ssjblue Goku defeated a guy who can literally see into the future

Except Hit's ability is to momentarily freeze time not see into the future.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

Yhwach would get shit on by any of the Eight Kings from Toriko

0.1 seconds and its all over for Juha.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Yhwach would get shit on by any of the Eight Kings from Toriko

Lille barro OVO owl mode stomps :lol

 

[Jokule67]

Ywachs power hasnt been explained in detail. Its too soon to tell but they will find a way around it.

Its still not clear how he changes anything or if he changes anything at all. Things just freaking happen with no explanation. Like Ichigos sword breaking. Theres no logical reason behind it. But somebody's gonna figure it out soon

 

[V h o]

Ywachs power hasnt been explained in detail. Its too soon to tell but they will find a way around it.

Its still not clear how he changes anything or if he changes anything at all. Things just freaking happen with no explanation. Like Ichigos sword breaking. Theres no logical reason behind it. But somebody's gonna figure it out soon

Indeed. I don't believe it is as broken as we think, especially since yawch feared ichigos sword so he broke it.

Ot it is over naruto, but I can't say on others as of yet (I'm oblivious to SS, bastard, and DB super (how did power levels improve after kaoken SSB (SSG?).

 

[Bihari]

Still, moustache was defeated by Yamamoto

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The problem with hyping Yhwach due to having basically the single most unfair power in all of fiction, is that he still managed to lose to prime Yamamoto. Admittedly, he didnt absorb the soul king or steal zanka no tachi at that time, but it still shows that he is possible to defeat.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Lille barro OVO owl mode stomps :lol

Any given form is never balanced with other verses in mind. Lille is pretty much invincible to anyone without the deus ex machina paddle, but there are plenty of other "Utterly immune to everything except this specific ability/object" characters in manga, like Juubi-jinchuriki or Logia users. Any all-out battle would end in a perpetual stalemate between all the invincible characters.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Any given form is never balanced with other verses in mind. Lille is pretty much invincible to anyone without the deus ex machina paddle, but there are plenty of other "Utterly immune to everything except this specific ability/object" characters in manga, like Juubi-jinchuriki or Logia users. Any all-out battle would end in a perpetual stalemate between all the invincible characters.

That was the joke itself tho. Also logia intangibility is directly related to one's reflexes(ace and smoker getting hit by luffy in Alabasta), juubi can be destroyed with taijutsu theoretically, given enough DC that is.

Lille was a special case. Dude was made to be beaten with deus ex machina . Lmao hence the joke.

 

[milkydean]

How does he deal with time stop? Plus he can only modify future if he has the power to. He will get defeated.

 

[Bogard]

Before even talking about other universes, maybe it'd rather be better to talk about in-universe first
As broken as Ywach's ability is, Uryu's counters his own very easily because no matter which future Ywach chooses, Uryu can just reverse their positions making his entire ability worthless infront of Uryu's. Besides which, we know he'd end up defeated by Ichigo anyway(though maybe or maybe not with help)

Also no, speed, destructive power and the lot still matter because if he gets speedblitzed and cut in half before he even gets the chance to find a good future, he is still dead

 

[SoulKiller]

lol I always did not understand people who thought naruto stood a chance against bleach in general it was just mind boggling and now that we witness Yhwach power which is just too broken for it's own good he simply stomps anyone and takes bleach to a whole new level of power.

Let's take into account that Lillie, Gerard, Pernida, Askin, Gremmy, and Haschwalth. All are extremely broken as well.

 

[SoulKiller]

Before even talking about other universes, maybe it'd rather be better to talk about in-universe first
As broken as Ywach's ability is, Uryu's counters his own very easily because no matter which future Ywach chooses, Uryu can just reverse their positions making his entire ability worthless infront of Uryu's. Besides which, we know he'd end up defeated by Ichigo anyway(though maybe or maybe not with help)

Also no, speed, destructive power and the lot still matter because if he gets speedblitzed and cut in half before he even gets the chance to find a good future, he is still dead

The problem here is that Yhwach saw the future in advance way before the fight even started that he will fight a specific person and that person would try to blitz him and would therefor transform the future and gg for that person.

For the sake of argument let's say the person decided to do another thing other than blitzing. It won't matter because Yhwach saw all possible future income already and can transform that future in a whim.

 

[milkydean]

I still dont understand how ywach counters anyone who can obliterate countries or continents and can stop somebody who can stop time. The most broken ability is time stop. Even if ywach sees Naruto destroying the whole country how can he stop him? His attack need to do damage to Naruto in order to stop him. Else Naruto just destroys the country and Ywach with it. Also how does he counter Dms obito? or Kakashi?And believe me, Ichigo is just gonna launch a attack so powerful that Ywach cant do anything against it even if he sees it. Thats probably how he is gonna defeat him or atleast injure him to an extent where anyone else gonna swoop in and defeat him.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I still dont understand how ywach counters anyone who can obliterate countries or continents and can stop somebody who can stop time. The most broken ability is time stop. Even if ywach sees Naruto destroying the whole country how can he stop him? His attack need to do damage to Naruto in order to stop him. Else Naruto just destroys the country and Ywach with it. Also how does he counter Dms obito? or Kakashi?And believe me, Ichigo is just gonna launch a attack so powerful that Ywach cant do anything against it even if he sees it. Thats probably how he is gonna defeat him or atleast injure him to an extent where anyone else gonna swoop in and defeat him.

He will stop naruto the same way he stopped ichigo he will see naruto blowing up the country an will find a way to stop it simple as that he place a trap to where naruto can't get out such power..an do you think he can't hurt naruto?...kaguya is probably the only naruto character he would probably have trouble with.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Yhwach has the power to see the future and transform it. It is prettt much fate manipulation, probability manipulation, and causality manipulation all in one.

He can see all future possibilities. Destructive capacity is irrelevant against such powers.

But ya know there will be those who will downplay Bleach and claim their abilities are[bold] no limit fallacies[/bold]

:sdo: :sdo:

Yet he gets solo'ed by ichiryuu's minority world

Dragon King Derous snipes the bleach world from 3 light years away with his FTL extra dimensional lazer before Bach can even activate his almighty