When did Sasuke surpass Kakashi?

[Dannie]

When Kakashi lost Perfect Susanoo.

Does this mean Kakashi was only stronger than Sasuke for 5 minutes?

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[LoZelda101]

kakashi is smarter while sasuke is mentally quick. evens out

 

[Yatori]

I'm not sure.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Eh not really in battle Sakura can't compare to Sasuke in planing and executing. Madara praised Sasuke for that. Sasuke was 1-3 moved ahead vs Deidara and didn't even have killing intent.

Naruto basically said that because of how Sasuke was acting or because Kakashi actually agreed with Sasuke.

Not really but sure.

Eh, Sasuke was basically on his period. No one wanted to anger him further that's why he agreed but if you ever notice his words, he's always forced to eat his words at least in this case.

When you look at the upcoming events Kakashi and Sakura proved him wrong. Kakashi or Sakura aren't on his level when it comes to executing but when it comes to planning they are somewhat ahead of him. Kakashi formulated an attack against Obito's Kamui and made his Kamui faster than the stake and his strategy against Kaguya was on point. After witnessing Naruto fight her he came up with the perfect strategy. Sakura has also shown planning skills such as discovering what WZ really was by performing that autopsy, discovering the secret behind Kamui intangibility, noticing Sasori's movements.

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Sasuke is decent in planning and one of the best in executing and this is what makes him better than the other too. It was a logical statement from Naruto's standpoint when it came to strategy. A lot of people have praised Kakashi for his skill in copying jutsus with the Sharingan. Even somebody such as Pain from Amegakure knew about Kakashi's abilities.

 

[Nick01]

Power wise, then I'd say MS.

Kakashi would still mop the floor in the beginning of Shippuden.

 

[neosmith500]

For sure when he absorbed Oro..

 

[Drizzy]

Does this mean Kakashi was only stronger than Sasuke for 5 minutes?

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The duration being impermanent doesn't mean it isn't worthy of mention. Kakashi's abilities at that point were superior to any feats Sasuke had prior, and while it wasn't his own power, it was Kakashi behind the helm regardless. Growth is variable, real-world and naruto-verse alike, so while character A may be stronger than Character B at one moment in time, that doesn't mean that Character B will forever be inferior. Anyone reading the manga or watching the anime could see Sasuke surpassed Kakashi long ago power-wise, however the version of Kakashi for those few manga chapters against Kaguya proved more competitive than Sasuke was. My post was mostly for humour though, fanboys will always find offense where none was intended.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Power wise, then I'd say MS.

Kakashi would still mop the floor in the beginning of Shippuden.

Lol, come back to see this monstrosity.

HebI Sasuke curb stomps Pre war arc MS Kakashi. Hands down.

My debating maybe rusty, but I won't have a problem debating that.

 

[NarutoX28]

Sasuke was most certainly above Kakashi once he absorbed Orochimaru as he believed he could handle Itachi whereas Pre-Hebi Sasuke and Orochimaru were deemed incapable of doing so and Itachi is by far superior than Kakashi was at the time. This doesn't mean War Arc Kakashi was below Hebi Sasuke as I believe the opposite, but Sasuke was consistently above Kakashi after he absorbed Orochimaru at least.

If people are having doubts, MS Sasuke surpassed Kakashi as Kakashi could barely pull off a Kamui to save himself against a Weakened Sasuke, so Sasuke could've easily killed Kakashi once Kakashi's stamina tanked.

 

[Haloguy2710]

never did bro

 

[-immortal-]

When Part 1 ended / beginning of shippuden.

Part 1 kakashi > part 1 sasuke
Hebi sasuke > kakashi
Taka sasuke > kakahsi
MS sasuke > kakashi
EMS sasuke > kakashi
Rinnegan sasuke >>>>>>>>DSM Kakashi
The last sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kakashi
Asult sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kakashi

 

[SUPERDEADLYKING]

when he got EMS imo though i do think kakashi surpassed him when he got DMS for a bit.

 

[explore]

When he teamed up with tobi

 

[MasterKhaosSphere]

Power wise, then I'd say MS.

Kakashi would still mop the floor in the beginning of Shippuden.

I think he was tied with Kakashi in the beginning of Shippuden

 

[explore]

When he killed Deidara.

Deidara killed himself

 

[Uchicha Macho]

I will say vote one Sasuke /kid sasuke could defeat him

 

[WalksInShadows]

When he killed Deidara.

Deidara blew himself up :kk:

 

[SenseiSama]

He probably could but will not be able to execute the plan by himself due to his lack of stamina. He's practically dead meat if he uses Kamui 3 times but in terms of strategy and planning theoretically speaking Kakashi and Sakura are better than Sasuke. Of course there is Shikamru who is probably twice as smart as Sasuke but that's different lol.

They would be able to outsmart him theoretically speaking if we lived in an ideal world where we had no drawbacks.

Naruto supports this assertion.

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Nope, Sasuke has the smarts to fight the likes of Itachi so Kakashi wouldn't outsmart him. And he proved to be a good strategist by choosing the right people for his Taka team

 

[Styles]

Eh, Sasuke was basically on his period. No one wanted to anger him further that's why he agreed but if you ever notice his words, he's always forced to eat his words at least in this case.

When you look at the upcoming events Kakashi and Sakura proved him wrong. Kakashi or Sakura aren't on his level when it comes to executing but when it comes to planning they are somewhat ahead of him. Kakashi formulated an attack against Obito's Kamui and made his Kamui faster than the stake and his strategy against Kaguya was on point. After witnessing Naruto fight her he came up with the perfect strategy. Sakura has also shown planning skills such as discovering what WZ really was by performing that autopsy, discovering the secret behind Kamui intangibility, noticing Sasori's movements.

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Sasuke is decent in planning and one of the best in executing and this is what makes him better than the other too. It was a logical statement from Naruto's standpoint when it came to strategy. A lot of people have praised Kakashi for his skill in copying jutsus with the Sharingan. Even somebody such as Pain from Amegakure knew about Kakashi's abilities.

Uh not really Kakashi said Sasuke was the right one to lead now because he could formulate a plan while executing.

That's not really a plan that was common knowledge 2 MS > 1 MS and that was actually Obito that planned that not Kakashi.

Although that was a good strategy we never really saw Sasuke's strategy against her. Besides that Kaguya also wasn't thinking straight because of fear of being sealed.

And Sakura.....everyone knows that about a puppet user.

Deidara killed himself

And who forced him to kill himself? In that whole battle Sasuke was 1-3 moves ahead without killing intent.

 

[Solo]

Sasuke surpassed Kakashi the second he unlocked 3-tomoe.