[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 829 Discussion and 830 Predictions

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Alright then.

I'm glad you understand. I'm not here to argue what the logic behind it all was, I could care less.

Was her intro underwhelming? Yes it was.
No it wasn't. You're looking at it from the wrong POV. You're saying because she didn't display the same level of physical strength as Kaido or the same Haki prowess as Shanks did, she was underwhelming, when her ability to steal souls accomplished the same effect as Kaido's stamina and Shanks' Haki.
 

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No it wasn't. You're looking at it from the wrong POV. You're saying because she didn't display the same level of physical strength as Kaido or the same Haki prowess as Shanks did, she was underwhelming, when her ability to steal souls accomplished the same effect as Kaido's stamina and Shanks' Haki.
Listen, the fact that you have to make excuses for her not being able to display more than street level damage, already answers the question that it was underwhelming.

You went on about why it was underwhelming (her own home, she wouldn't be a Yonkou etc.).

Glad we agreed it was.

You would have a better point regarding her intro being impressive as a whole (because of her hax ability) if she wasn't actively destroying things going on a rampage.

Its not what she she did do, but rather what she didn't do given the situation. No other Yonkou even tried rampaging around in their intro. Why would I expect those feats from them. There is a bare minimum I expect physically from a Yonkou in One Piece, Top Tiers in One Piece can't just rely on hax alone they are all physical beasts. She is probably one as well, it was just an underwhelming intro is all.
 
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Listen, the fact that you have to make excuses for her not being able to display more than street level damage, already answers the question that it was underwhelming.
So because Big Mom's punches didn't do street level damage, she was underwhelming? Because she hasn't shown game-changing physical strength, what was cool about her doesn't matter? By this logic I can say that Shanks hasn't shown any above average speed in his intro. Therefore, he was underwhelming. Kaido hasn't shown any high intelligence or Haoshoku Haki, he was also underwhelming.

You would have a better point regarding her intro being impressive as a whole (because of her hax ability) if she wasn't actively destroying things going on a rampage.
We Shanks up front with another Yonko, and yet his speed wasn't anything cool, so underwhelming.

Its not what she she did do, but rather what she didn't do given the situation. No other Yonkou even tried rampaging around in their intro. Why would I expect those feats from them. There is a bare minimum I expect physically from a Yonkou in One Piece, Top Tiers in One Piece can't just rely on hax alone they are all physical beasts. She is probably one as well, it was just an underwhelming intro is all.
Who said she wasn't a physical beast though? Knocking down several large buildings is a pretty great feat, especially when you consider that Whitbeard's own massive Quakes didn't put a scratch in Aokiji's office despite slamming the building it was in several times.
 

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Lmao this guy still doesn't get the point. Shanks was never put in a situation to show his speed in that manner.

Big Mom was put in a situation that displays her destructive capability.

Not going to repeat it again.
 

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Lmao this guy still doesn't get the point. Shanks was never put in a situation to show his speed in that manner.

Big Mom was put in a situation that displays her destructive capability.

Not going to repeat it again.
You're the one who doesn't get it. So what if she doesn't have the physical strength? Without his devil fruit powers, Blackbeard can't even do half of the damage Big Mam did to the town. Their devil fruit powers are what makes them terrifying.
 

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You're the one who doesn't get it. So what if she doesn't have the physical strength? Without his devil fruit powers, Blackbeard can't even do half of the damage Big Mam did to the town. Their devil fruit powers are what makes them terrifying.
Exactly. It's especially dumb when Whitebeard, overcome with sheer rage, produced a Quake that couldn't even knock down the Marine HQ, and Big Mom is supposed to break her island in half to be impressive and unique while stealing souls. It's ironic someone says "By not doing what everyone else did and doing something extremely hax that we've only seen her do, Big Mom hasn't proved she's a one of a kind pirate that shouldn't be messed with."
 

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I'm starting to lean more towards the theory that Pudding might be setting the SH's up now after this chapter.

Just because they asked her whether she would be punished by Big Mam and she said no, because she would never hurt her own children (could be remembering what she said slightly wrong), however BM has clearly just killed one of her kids now...

And this clearly isn't the first time this kinda s*** has happened, these guys must just be constantly on edge!
 

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You're the one who doesn't get it. So what if she doesn't have the physical strength? Without his devil fruit powers, Blackbeard can't even do half of the damage Big Mam did to the town. Their devil fruit powers are what makes them terrifying.
And what's oh so terrifying in the introduction of Big Mom? Lmfao stealing some no name fodders soul is impressive? Especially when certain conditions being needed were alluded to?

You guys must have been shitting your pants when Gecko Moriah's powers were shown.

Lmfao there is absolutely nothing impressive about picking on no name fodders, it certainly does not make you Yonkou level. There was no Yonkou level air around Big Mom's introduction, Sugar is just as hax if not more, who gives a flying f*ck ? Sugar can turn all the fodders into toys in the world and you wouldn't see me give one single f*ck about it.
 
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And what's oh so terrifying in the introduction of Big Mom? Lmfao stealing some no name fodders soul is impressive? Especially when certain conditions being needed were alluded to?

You guys must have been shitting your pants when Gecko Moriah's powers were shown.

Lmfao there is absolutely nothing impressive about picking on no name fodders, it certainly does not make you Yonkou level. There was no Yonkou level air around Big Mom's introduction, Sugar is just as hax if not more, who gives a flying f*ck ? Sugar can turn all the fodders into toys in the world and you wouldn't see me give one single f*ck about it.
We haven't even seen the full extent of her devil fruit powers and you're already judging her? Your reaction to Big Mom's powers is so much like people's reaction to Luffy's rubber powers, before they see Gear 2, 3 and 4. Can't she kill off fodders without breaking a sweat now? What if she can awaken her devil fruit? There's still so much we don't know.
 
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We haven't even seen the full extent of her devil fruit powers and you're already judging her? Your reaction to Big Mom's powers is so much like people's reaction to Luffy's rubber powers, before they see Gear 2, 3 and 4. Can't she kill off fodders without breaking a sweat now? What if she can awaken her devil fruit? There's still so much we don't know.
What part of only her introduction being underwhelming did you not get? I'm sure she is so much more than what was shown, I'm strictly isolating her intro and comparing it to that of the other Yonkou. Extremely underwhelming in comparison (not her as a whole we hardly know anything about her or her powers, but her introduction)
 

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I'm starting to lean more towards the theory that Pudding might be setting the SH's up now after this chapter.

Just because they asked her whether she would be punished by Big Mam and she said no, because she would never hurt her own children (could be remembering what she said slightly wrong), however BM has clearly just killed one of her kids now...

And this clearly isn't the first time this kinda s*** has happened, these guys must just be constantly on edge!
Funny how people here believe Pudding is the backstabber when Pedro is the only one hinting he's the traitor.

Who wants to bet that Pedro is working for Big Mom?

Theory

Pedro insisted he accompanies the straw hats going to Whole Cake Island. Pedro wants to kill Pudding although she helped them with a map. Pedro isn't worried Pekoms is missing, even though thats the main reason why he left zou. Pedro visited the territory before and knows about it. Somehow Big Mom knows Luffy is present in her territory.
 
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Funny how people here believe Pudding is the backstabber when Pedro is the only one hinting he's the traitor.

Who wants to bet that Pedro is working for Big Mom?

Theory

Pedro insisted he accompanies the straw hats going to Whole Cake Island. Pedro wants to kill Pudding although she helped them with a map. Pedro isn't worried Pekoms is missing, even though thats the main reason why he left zou. Pedro visited the territory before and knows about it. Somehow Big Mom knows Luffy is present in her territory.
Yeah, I definitely think something is up with him, but I'm still not entirely convinced... I feel like we're being led to believe that and then he will get a bit of a back story explanation at some point. But it's definitely plausible. One of them has got to be a traitor, but not both...
 

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Yeah, I definitely think something is up with him, but I'm still not entirely convinced... I feel like we're being led to believe that and then he will get a bit of a back story explanation at some point. But it's definitely plausible. One of them has got to be a traitor, but not both...
Not convinced huh?

Fine answer this then. How did Jack keep finding his way to zou ? Vivre card? But who supplied him with it? Pudding wasn't on zou ;)
I'm probably going out on a stretch but lol just with me yeah
 

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Funny how people here believe Pudding is the backstabber when Pedro is the only one hinting he's the traitor.

Who wants to bet that Pedro is working for Big Mom?

Theory

Pedro insisted he accompanies the straw hats going to Whole Cake Island. Pedro wants to kill Pudding although she helped them with a map. Pedro isn't worried Pekoms is missing, even though thats the main reason why he left zou. Pedro visited the territory before and knows about it. Somehow Big Mom knows Luffy is present in her territory.
Maybe that's puddings ability, afterall she is the 3 eyed girl,right?
 

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You're the one who doesn't get it. So what if she doesn't have the physical strength? Without his devil fruit powers, Blackbeard can't even do half of the damage Big Mam did to the town. Their devil fruit powers are what makes them terrifying.
That's a valid point but not entirely accurate. Teach scarred Shanks prior to gaining his DF and he has a high natural durability which he needs to counter the fact that his DF attracts damage to him rather than bypassing it like most Logia. So while I agree BB without his fruit wouldn't be able to do much more or equal damage the BM did his DF isn't the only tough part of him.
 

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Exactly. It's especially dumb when Whitebeard, overcome with sheer rage, produced a Quake that couldn't even knock down the Marine HQ, and Big Mom is supposed to break her island in half to be impressive and unique while stealing souls. It's ironic someone says "By not doing what everyone else did and doing something extremely hax that we've only seen her do, Big Mom hasn't proved she's a one of a kind pirate that shouldn't be messed with."
I won't lie it doesn't sit right that WB had that little "result" with as much as he was purported by characters to have the strength to destroy the world. We can say it was due to age, or disease but that's just excuses. For whatever reason Oda chose to have WB's damage not look too monstrous despite his description and despite the fact he depicted a Shichibukai who shouldn't even be able to hold a candle to a Yonkou 1v1 breaking an entire island
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So yeah, you can kind of understand what Toshizo meant by underwhelming when one of the weaker shichibukai is able to do that. Realistically WB's level of damage didn't quite live up to the hype but he also barely fought in the war, relative to everyone else.
 

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I won't lie it doesn't sit right that WB had that little "result" with as much as he was purported by characters to have the strength to destroy the world. We can say it was due to age, or disease but that's just excuses. For whatever reason Oda chose to have WB's damage not look too monstrous despite his description and despite the fact he depicted a Shichibukai who shouldn't even be able to hold a candle to a Yonkou 1v1 breaking an entire island
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So yeah, you can kind of understand what Toshizo meant by underwhelming when one of the weaker shichibukai is able to do that. Realistically WB's level of damage didn't quite live up to the hype but he also barely fought in the war, relative to everyone else.
Moriarty wasn't as weak as everyone said he went toe to toe with the entire strawhat crew all night and Luffy had 100 extra soul to even win. And that was the version of the crew that was arguably the strongest preskip
 
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