Ashura's Mode

[NarutoX28]

I'm actually curious to what his mode was because many people believe it was Rikudou Senjutsu and I have for a very long time only until recently that I'm beginning to realize that this actually doesn't make much sense at all.

First of all, it was stated that through Ashura's suffering and hard work that his chakra bloomed within his body and obtained the same power as Indra did:

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Indra also never awakened a Six Paths Power through his own Chakra as only Hagoromo and Madara were stated to have awakened the Rinnegan implying that Indra's chakra was incapable of doing so:

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So it's illogical to assume Ashura's chakra alone awakened a Six Paths Power (Rikudou Senjutsu) while Indra's Chakra couldn't as both of their Chakras were stated to be equal and thus, have the same potential. But this leaves the question such as "What Mode did Ashura really have?" It's possible we can take a deeper look at how Naruto/Sasuke parallels Ashura/Indra to identify what mode Ashura really had.


Through Ashura/Indra, we're given visual representation of how both of Ashura and Indra's Chakra were actually equal:

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And with Naruto/Sasuke and how they parallel Ashura/Indra, we're also given a visual representation of how their abilities both stack up:

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Since Naruto/Sasuke parallels Ashura/Indra, we're given a visual representation of Sasuke awakening Perfect Susano'o much like Indra did and like Indra, rivaled Ashura's own manifestation of chakra. Is it possible that since Sasuke also awakened Perfect Susano'o like Indra did that Naruto awakened a similar mode that Ashura did? I'm not trying to claim that Ashura awakened a Kurama Avatar, but perhaps, something completely similar?

We know that as Ashura/Indra's Chakra keeps transmigrating over future generations that their chakra weakens even further:

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So it's possible that since Naruto would awaken a similar mode like his Transmigrant the way Sasuke did, that Naruto needed Kurama's chakra in order for him to obtain Ashura's mode because his chakra was weaker overall. We can see this with Sasuke and Indra, where Indra only needed a Mangekyo Sharingan in order to obtain Perfect Susano'o whereas Sasuke needed an Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan in order to obtain Perfect Susano'o like Indra because his chakra was much weaker than Indra's own due to how Transmigration works, so Sasuke had to go through a process in order to obtain the same power. Like Naruto, he awakened a mode similar to Ashura's, but needed Kurama's full cooperation in order for him to manifest that mode because his chakra was much weaker and so had to train and obtain Kurama's full power in order to wield that power.

So essentially, if Ashura's Mode is a byproduct of only his chakra, it could not have been Rikudou Senjutsu, but possibly a mode similar to Naruto's Kurama Avatar seeing as how Naruto/Sasuke parallels Ashura/Indra.

 

[Itachi Edo]

I'm really hoping SP covers this

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I'm actually curious to what his mode was because many people believe it was Rikudou Senjutsu and I have for a very long time only until recently that I'm beginning to realize that this actually doesn't make much sense at all.

First of all, it was stated that through Ashura's suffering and hard work that his chakra bloomed within his body and obtained the same power as Indra did:

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Indra also never awakened a Six Paths Power through his own Chakra as only Hagoromo and Madara were stated to have awakened the Rinnegan implying that Indra's chakra was incapable of doing so:

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So it's illogical to assume Ashura's chakra alone awakened a Six Paths Power (Rikudou Senjutsu) while Indra's Chakra couldn't as both of their Chakras were stated to be equal and thus, have the same potential. But this leaves the question such as "What Mode did Ashura really have?" It's possible we can take a deeper look at how Naruto/Sasuke parallels Ashura/Indra to identify what mode Ashura really had.


Through Ashura/Indra, we're given visual representation of how both of Ashura and Indra's Chakra were actually equal:

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And with Naruto/Sasuke and how they parallel Ashura/Indra, we're also given a visual representation of how their abilities both stack up:

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Since Naruto/Sasuke parallels Ashura/Indra, we're given a visual representation of Sasuke awakening Perfect Susano'o much like Indra did and like Indra, rivaled Ashura's own manifestation of chakra. Is it possible that since Sasuke also awakened Perfect Susano'o like Indra did that Naruto awakened a similar mode that Ashura did? I'm not trying to claim that Ashura awakened a Kurama Avatar, but perhaps, something completely similar?

We know that as Ashura/Indra's Chakra keeps transmigrating over future generations that their chakra weakens even further:

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So it's possible that since Naruto would awaken a similar mode like his Transmigrant the way Sasuke did, that Naruto needed Kurama's chakra in order for him to obtain Ashura's mode because his chakra was weaker overall. We can see this with Sasuke and Indra, where Indra only needed a Mangekyo Sharingan in order to obtain Perfect Susano'o whereas Sasuke needed an Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan in order to obtain Perfect Susano'o like Indra because his chakra was much weaker than Indra's own due to how Transmigration works, so Sasuke had to go through a process in order to obtain the same power. Like Naruto, he awakened a mode similar to Ashura's, but needed Kurama's full cooperation in order for him to manifest that mode because his chakra was much weaker and so had to train and obtain Kurama's full power in order to wield that power.

So essentially, if Ashura's Mode is a byproduct of only his chakra, it could not have been Rikudou Senjutsu, but possibly a mode similar to Naruto's Kurama Avatar seeing as how Naruto/Sasuke parallels Ashura/Indra.

Im pretty sure it has nothing to do with inheriting power. Madara and Hashi was both prevous trans. and Madara used the 9 tails instead of Ashura's decendent Hashi.


The only thing they Inherit is Indra and Ashuras "WILL" which drives them to become more powerful so they can rival the other one.
Remember when Obito said Naruto was around just make Sasuke stronger?

 

[NarutoX28]

Im pretty sure it has nothing to do with inheriting power. Madara and Hashi was both prevous trans. and Madara used the 9 tails instead of Ashura's decendent Hashi.


The only thing they Inherit is Indra and Ashuras "WILL" which drives them to become more powerful so they can rival the other one.
Remember when Obito said Naruto was around just make Sasuke stronger?

Madara/Hashirama never paralleled Ashura/Indra at all. Madara awakened the Rinnegan and Hashirama had Mokuton, both of which were something previous transmigrants never had.

 

[LoZelda101]

Lmao ashura is a joke. Needs daddy's freebee powerup to match indra.

 

[lndra]

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[TheSages456]

Hagoromo entrusted Asura with power by his own admission, though he could just be talking about Ninshu. The orbs that Asura's avatar possesses do look like truthseekers, but they can just as easily be lookalikes.


-Asura awakens power rivaling Indra.
-Hagoromo entrusts Asura with power while making him the successor to Ninshu.
-Indra & Asura fight.

In this case, he would just need cooperation from the Biju in order to awaken Six Paths Senjutsu.

 

[SenseiSama]

Manga said he had Hagoromo's body which means the Senjutsu hs body produced was the same Senjutsu that Hagoromo possessed. And his ability to use Bijuu Mode was because he inherited Juubi chakra from Hagoromo.

 

[NarutoX28]

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Sorry, I'm wondering what you're trying to explain here.

 

[NarutoX28]

Manga said he had Hagoromo's body which means the Senjutsu hs body produced was the same Senjutsu that Hagoromo possessed. And his ability to use Bijuu Mode was because he inherited Juubi chakra from Hagoromo.

It also stated Indra had the Sage's Eyes and both the words "Eyes" and "Body" were quoted. It's not meant to be taken literally which is clear with Indra because he awakened the Sharingan. Makes no sense what you're suggesting because both of their chakras were equivalent yet Indra could never awaken the Sage's Eyes, so why would Ashura awaken the Sage's Body? That literally makes no sense.

 

[lndra]

Sorry, I'm wondering what you're trying to explain here.

I think it was just fandom speculation that either had Rikudou Senjutsu or what-ever. Their powers that manifested at least in Ashura's side is just the upbringing of him gaining the Sage's Body, while Indra of course as you explained, inherited the Sage's eyes.

Though neither as powerful as Hagoromo's of course.

 

[NarutoX28]

I think it was just fandom speculation that either had Rikudou Senjutsu or what-ever. Their powers that manifested at least in Ashura's side is just the upbringing of him gaining the Sage's Body, while Indra of course as you explained, inherited the Sage's eyes.

Though neither as powerful as Hagoromo's of course.

All right, thanks for clearing that up.

I understand why people believe he had Rikudou Senjutsu, but there are so many implications that suggests that Ashura didn't have it unless he received Hagoromo's Senjutsu directly from Hagoromo.

 

[HENI]

Hashirams didn't have Ashura mode

 

[SenseiSama]

It also stated Indra had the Sage's Eyes and both the words "Eyes" and "Body" were quoted. It's not meant to be taken literally which is clear with Indra because he awakened the Sharingan. Makes no sense what you're suggesting because both of their chakras were equivalent yet Indra could never awaken the Sage's Eyes, so why would Ashura awaken the Sage's Body? That literally makes no sense.

First off, Obito made those statements based on what BZ wrote which turned out not to be true, secondly, the Sage corrected it by saying Indra had his chakra genes not his eyes.

Indra had genes for potent chakra and as a result inherited Sage chakra, Ashura had the body to produce Senjutsu and as a result awakened the Sage's senjutsu.

And it does make sense because Sasuke didn't need Six Path Senjutsu to match Naruto's power so neither would Indra.

Indra's genes gave him the chakra potency of Hagoromo's chakra and Ashura's chakra was Hagoromo's but without the potency Indra had so their power evens out.

And why would Indra not have Rinnegan when Ashura had Six path Senutsu ? Because Sharingan comes from RineeSharingan just like Hagoromo's dojutsu and therefore can be just as strong as the Sage's eyes under the right user.

If you read VoTE 2 you would notice Susanoo was able to match Naruto's RSM feats and a lot of Mangekyo jutsu are already strong enough to match RSM. You saw how OP Obito's eyes were with Sage chakra, how strong do you think Indra's would be considering he was also a genius with great battle instinct.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Lmao ashura is a joke. Needs daddy's freebee powerup to match indra.

Natural talent and good genes are the biggest freebies.

 

[LoZelda101]

Natural talent and good genes are the biggest freebies.

Lmao your parents only told you that cause you're a failure. Can't be a freebee if you're born with it -_- it is you

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Lmao your parents only told you that cause you're a failure. Can't be a freebee if you're born with it -_- it is you

That's not the point. All it means is you won the genetic lottery. Power is power.

 

[NarutoX28]

First off, Obito made those statements based on what BZ wrote which turned out not to be true, secondly, the Sage corrected it by saying Indra had his chakra genes not his eyes.

And Obito was entirely correct. He knew that Indra never really obtained the Sage's Eyes, but only his "powerful chakras" because he deliberately stated that Nagato was the Third of the Six Paths, with Rikudou being the First and Madara being the Second. Everything Obito stated was correct and he knew Ashura and Indra transmigrated into Naruto and Sasuke. Everything he said was entirely correct.

Indra had genes for potent chakra and as a result inherited Sage chakra, Ashura had the body to produce Senjutsu and as a result awakened the Sage's senjutsu.

He never did. The reason he had Hagoromo's potent chakra was because he inherited Hagoromo's Potential, but Hagoromo's Chakra is a combination of Ashura + Indra's Chakra. If Indra had the Sage's Chakra, he would've awakened the Rinnegan. It's extremely intellectually dishonest of you to suggest that Ashura could produce the Sage's Senjutsu yet Indra couldn't produce a Six Paths Power for some odd reason.

And it does make sense because Sasuke didn't need Six Path Senjutsu to match Naruto's power so neither would Indra.

Indra's genes gave him the chakra potency of Hagoromo's chakra and Ashura's chakra was Hagoromo's but without the potency Indra had.

No, that's not my point. My point was that Indra would awaken the Rinnegan if it were the equivalent of Ashura's Chakra and Sasuke did need the Rinnegan to become Naruto's equal, that's undeniable yet you're suggesting that Indra had neither of those, but just a Perfect Susano'o and could stalemate Ashura's Six Path Senjutsu even though they parallel Naruto/Sasuke? Makes no sense.

And why would Indra not have Rinnegan when Ashura had Six path Senutsu ? Because Sharingan comes from RineeSharingan just like Hagoromo's dojutsu and therefore can be just as strong as the Sage's eyes under the right user.

No it can't. That's entirely illogical. Rinnegan is considered a superior Dojutsu by having the combined powers of Yin + Yang whereas the Sharingan only contains Yin. It's clear the Sharingan is the inferior eye as Black Zetsu disses Obito for trying to control something that only Hagoromo and Madara could obtain and the fact that the Sage's Rinnegan is a representation of a God which is praise that is not given to Sharingan users.

If you read VoTE 2 you would notice Susanoo was able to match Naruto's RSM feats and a lot of Mangekyo jutsu are already strong enough to match RSM. You saw how OP Obito's eyes were with Sage chakra, how strong do you think Indra's would be considering he was also a genius with great battle instinct.

And Sasuke had Rikudou's Chakra and the Rinnegan fueling his own Susano'o whereas Indra had no such thing. That's incomparable.

 

[LoZelda101]

That's not the point. All it means is you won the genetic lottery. Power is power.

^ when hardwork extremists reach their lowest point. Smh

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

^ when hardwork extremists reach their lowest point. Smh

The hell is a hard work extremist, lmao! I'm not Rock Lee.

Tell me how I'm wrong rather than try to avoid the point. A genuis has no control over being a genius. Talented people are lucky, that's not a bad thing. Indra did nothing to get his dad's chakra.