The huge gap between Naruto and Hashirama

[Kyle storm]

So i'm making this thread because , i don't think some people understan how larg is the gap between Naruto with Rikudou power , and Hashirama :

Ninjutsu :
nothing in hashirama's arsenal is even worth mentioning against naruto's fire power , jukai kotan , kajukai korin , the mokujin , SM mokujin , the mokuruy , the myojinmon , are all garbage to Naruto superior fire power and Kekkei Genkai attacks

- Hashirama's full power is Shinsuusenju , and it is easily dwarfed by Naruto's large scale AOE attacks
- Naruto with six paths sage mode can draw in a large amount of natural energy

his tailed beast rasenshuriken had the power to instantly obliterate a whole chibaku tensei in a second , keep in mind the small pieces of Madara's meteors drawf mountain ranges
and Naruto can throw like 6 of them in a single barrage

- all of naruto's attacks are powered with Natural energy and six paths chakra making them far stronger
the DC that was created by hashirama's Shunsuusenju , is literally nothing in comparison to a casual tailed beast rasenshuriken

and naruto can also , creat Avatar clones , and draw in a huge mount of natural energy , to creat Asura Avatar

Taijutsu :
Hashirama doesn't really have any important Taijutsu feats , it's not part of his arsenal anyway , his best feat is keeping up with EMS madara
- while Naruto has the feats keeping up with Kaguya , slaming her to a mountain , cutting off her arm with pure strengh
- Naruto also has the feats of keeping up with power'ed up Momoshiki and even smaking him around using Taijutsu only

Senjutsu :
not a chance , Rikudou senjutsu >>>>>>>>>>>> standard senjutsu
so naruto also is better in this department

Speed and Reactions :
Hashirama is horribly outclassed in this department

- Naruto by far has the best reaction feats in the manga , Naruto was able to dodge Madara's Limbo , Kaguya's Yomotsu Hirasaka , Sasuke's Amenotejikara

- Naruto also was able to speedblitz Kaguya , cutting off her arm . In boruto movie , when he went full power , we saw how the ground got destroyed under his foot speed and Shunshin

- Hashirama's best reaction and speed feats are keeping up with EMS madara , he couldn't even react to EDO madara , who shoved 6-7 Black Receivers in his back

- The DATABOOK tells us that naruto's reactions are on par with JJ madara , and even better going by feats
- Naruto' reaction and speed feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashirama's
Hashirama is horribly outclassed

Sensing :
another department where naruto is far far superior
- Hashirama has never ever demonstrated any worth mentioning sensing feats , he even admitted hiw sensing was inferior to Tobirama who couldn't feel Madara's Limbo that stabed sasuke

- Naruto can sense madara's Limbo , can sense Kaguya's Yomotsu Hirasake , and even in his toad sage mode he has better sensing feats than Hashirama
- The DATABOOK already tell us that Naruto's sensing is on par with JJ madara

Firepower :

again :
Naruto's casual 6x TBBRS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashirama's full power Shinsuusenju

Strengh :
- Naruto ha the feats of sending Kaguya crashing to a mountain , and cutting off her arm with pure strengh
- Naruto also has the feats of smashing Momoshiki through multi-giant bolders with a single punch
- Hashirama doesn't even come close to that

Portrayl :
- Naruto after just few moments from obtaining his new powers was stated to be above the Hokages , Naruto was taking on JJ obito , JJ madara , he held his own against the strongest characters in the manga Kaguya , when Sasuke was no where to be found , and then battled Sasuke who had the power of all 9 BIJUU , while Naruto was low in chakra

- Logical conclusion 01 : the gap between Naruto and Hashirama is extremely huge , as huge as it can get .
- Logical conclusion 02 : Hashirama wasn't even on naruto's level when he was a teen , let alone when he became adult
- Logical conclusion 03 : as strong Hashirama is , he is NOTHING infront of Naruto with his Rikudou power
- Logical conclusion 04 : Naruto can literally one shot Hashirama with extreme is , and it won't even take a second for him to do that .
- Logical conclusion 05 : if the gap between Teen Naruto and Hashirama is this big , then the gap Between Adult Naruto and Hashirama is even greater

 

[Ansatsuken]

This should be in the main section (NDS). Apparently you're new member (real one) I just accept it and contribute :sdo:


If you talked about Current Naruto, yes he is above Hashirama easily but not non-Rikudou power up Naruto.

 

[Simbv]

I'm sorry to say but if Hashi or Madara had sage power-ups like Naruto and Sasuke, they would sh!t on them. This is the cold hard truth

 

[Ansatsuken]

I'm sorry to say but if Hashi or Madara had sage power-ups like Naruto and Sasuke, they would sh!t on them. This is the cold hard truth

Talking like Madara not a part of Rikudou level characters group

 

[Kyle storm]

I'm sorry to say but if Hashi or Madara had sage power-ups like Naruto and Sasuke, they would sh!t on them. This is the cold hard truth

I'm sorry to say , but the manga is over , and dreams won't help now

beides LOL , madara got the rikudou power , and he still got his shit kicked in by Naruto and Sasuke

This is the cold hard truth !!!!

 

[Simbv]

Talking like Madara not a part of Rikudou level characters group

Madara is certainly a exception, but he had Juubi powers and the powers of Kaguya. What I'm implying is that:

Rikoudo Hashi vs Rikoudo NAruto
Rikoudo MAdara vs Rikoudo Sasuke

The previous incarnates would stomp Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I'm sorry to say , but the manga is over , and dreams won't help now

beides LOL , madara got the rikudou power , and he still got his shit kicked in by Naruto and Sasuke

This is the cold hard truth !!!!

I think he just trolling around.

 

[Simbv]

I'm sorry to say , but the manga is over , and dreams won't help now

beides LOL , madara got the rikudou power , and he still got his shit kicked in by Naruto and Sasuke

This is the cold hard truth !!!!

Key word Naruto and Sasuke. I'm talking 1v1 obviously.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Key word Naruto and Sasuke. I'm talking 1v1 obviously.

First you said Hashi 'or' Madara and then you said would shit on 'them'(referring to both Naruto and Sasuke)

Or - mean either one of them (Hashi or Madara)

Them - mean both or more (Naruto and Sasuke)

them

T͟Hem,T͟Həm/Submit
pronoun
pronoun: them
1.
used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.

You not say 'one of them' but just 'them'

How is that one on one?

 

[Simbv]

First you said Hashi 'or' Madara and then you said would shit on 'them'(referring to both Naruto and Sasuke)

Or - mean either one of them (Hashi or Madara)

Them - mean both of them (Naruto and Sasuke)

How is that one on one?

Regardless of my grammar you now get my point. Especially since I corrected myself in my second post. Don't be so petty.

 

[Kyle storm]

Key word Naruto and Sasuke. I'm talking 1v1 obviously.

Not exactly , they were smaking him around individualy till he run away to get his other rinnegan

- Naruto almost punched through his torso and then obliterated him with a Lava rasenshuriken , before holding up his Limbo and cutting the Shinju tree

- Sasuke trolled him with his Amenotejikara many times , and then cut him in half with Chidori Iuso

- they showed that they can keep up with him individualy , as teens i might add

 

[Kyle storm]

I think he just trolling around.

you sure ??

 

[Simbv]

Not exactly , they were smaking him around individualy till he run away to get his other rinnegan

- Naruto almost punched through his torso and then obliterated him with a Lava rasenshuriken , before holding up his Limbo and cutting the Shinju tree

- Sasuke trolled him with his Amenotejikara many times , and then cut him in half with Chidori Iuso

- they showed that they can keep up with him individualy , as teens i might add

1.Point Taken
2.Madara wasn't even trying to fight at this point
3.Adult Baruto and Sasuke have barely gotten screen time, if we were to debate right now you would only be able to use their teenage feats. It's heavily implied they both were rusty in their Adulthood. Also don't forget that Madara playfully, nonchalantly stabbed Sasuke in the chest before he became the Juubi Jin.

 

[Kyle storm]

1.Point Taken
2.Madara wasn't even trying to fight at this points
3.Adult Baruto and Sasuke have barely gotten screen time, if we were to debate right now you would only be able to use their teenage feats. Also it's heavily implied they both were rusty in their Adulthood. Also don't forget that Madara playfully, nonchalantly stabbed Sasuke in the chest.

Again , not exactly :
- Sasukes rinnegan was new , he hadn't master his power yet , unlike Madara
- Naruto didn't even use his full power , like his Bijuu mode , or his Asura mode
- Naruto and Sasuke were focusing on protecting the Shinobi Army , something Madara took advantage of


- In Boruto movie , Naruto and Sasuke were far from rusty , Sasuke and Naruto were :
* moving super fast , the ground got obliterated under their foot speed
* Sasuke who was helpless in Kaguya's desert dimention and needed Obito to save him , is now traveling between Kaguya's dimentions like a BOSS
* Naruto gave Boruto the huge Rasengan that sent Momoshiki to outer space , this is new power he hasn't show before
* Momoshiki was stated to be a greater threat than Madara , to the point where even Kaguya created a whole army of white zetsu to face him , yet Naruto and Sasuke obliterated him using Taijutsu only , when they both were half their power
* so no , adult Naruto and Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teen Naruto and Sasuke

 

[TheSages456]

Literally none of what you said about their firepower is true when you compare the damage that both did to VOTE.
The rest is just an exaggeration considering he couldn't one shot Kid Shin in under a second even though he stated himself that he had every intent on capturing him and that he couldn't go easy on him when he pulled out the Mangekyou Sharingan.


Nobody thinks that Hashirama is above Naruto anyway, so the this thread is merely an excuse for you to express your fanboyism.
These conclusion are far from objective though, laughably so, but what would anyone expect from the Naruto fanbase?

Pointless thread. Best to read it once, laugh, then move on.

 

[Kyle storm]

Literally none of what you said about their firepower is true when you compare the damage that both did to VOTE.
The rest is just an exaggeration considering he couldn't one shot Kid Shin in under a second even though he stated himself that he had every intent on capturing him and that he couldn't go easy on him when he pulled out the Mangekyou Sharingan.


Nobody thinks that Hashirama is above Naruto anyway, so the this thread is merely an excuse for you to express your fanboyism.
These conclusion are far from objective though, laughably so, but what would anyone expect from the Naruto fanbase?

Pointless thread. Best to read it once, laugh, then move on.

Oh look who's talking , the NF goofus , the butt joke of Hashirama's fanbase , and he has the nerve to talk about fanboyisme LOL

Naruto's TBBRS explosion >>>>>>>>> Shinsuusenju explosion , if you really care about explosion size

naruto's intentions was to rotect th kids nothing more , and if Shin is you're best argument , Naruto already put a whole army of Shin to submission without breaking a sweat , so there goes your only excuse

Naruto shits on Hashirama , by feats and portrayl

but since you were nothing but a butthurt about the naruto fanbase ever since 2014 , allow me please to make you even more butthurt :

Sasuke was stated to be = Naruto , and Naruto is far above Hashirama , and Madara already surpassed Hashirama , so :

Sasuke >>> Hashirama
Naruto >>> Hashirama
Madar >>> Hashirama

Hashirama is the weakest incarnate LOL

 

[Avani]

This should be in the main section (NDS).

No it shouldn't be in NDS. This is the correct section for Versus treads. Do not misinform the newbiw. In NDS it may get him infracted along with deletion.

@ Everyone: Please, play nicely and skip personal insults and attacks.