[VS] StrawHats vs Revs

[Punk Hazard]

1. A half dead Zoro dodged ALL of Brain Kuma's pad cannons including the ones that caught him off guard. A half dead Zoro was also fast enough to land a clean sneak attack on Kuma. He was also a pest to Ivankov and couldn't even pressure the okama.

2. Ivankov destroyed Pre-TS Sanji while playing around. He even purposely took a DJ kick to the face and it did nothing. Seeing how Sanji & Zoro are on the same level, I don't see how they can be so easily stronger currently.

3. Ivankov had the strength to hold off Akainu by himself(and walk away with no damage). The only other person who was capable of doing that was Marco. If Zoro 0r Sanji tried to hold of Akainu even together, they'd get one shotted.

Didn't Ivankov actually pass out against Akainu?

 

[RJ22BIG]

Pica and all of doffy's top executives are basically fodder besides vergo sanji would've just as easily defeated pica his only strength was his devil fruit. Zoro did not clash with fujitora and he didn't counter any attack he was pinned down by gravity and he threw I flying slash which was easily countered by the admiral. Sabo and fujitora clashed zoro and fujitora did not. In the case of doffy vs sanji the same would've happened to zoro because it happened to luffy and it took a combined effort of law and luffy to beat doffy. Case in point stop trying to place zoro way above sanji when they are clearly equal.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Pica and all of doffy's top executives are basically fodder besides vergo sanji would've just as easily defeated pica his only strength was his devil fruit. Zoro did not clash with fujitora and he didn't counter any attack he was pinned down by gravity and he threw I flying slash which was easily countered by the admiral. Sabo and fujitora clashed zoro and fujitora did not. In the case of doffy vs sanji the same would've happened to zoro because it happened to luffy and it took a combined effort of law and luffy to beat doffy. Case in point stop trying to place zoro way above sanji when they are clearly equal.

Zoro has clearly been portrayed as stronger than Sanji throughout the series. Also, Doffy had lots of assistance in his fight against Law and Luffy.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Zoro has clearly been portrayed as stronger than Sanji throughout the series. Also, Doffy had lots of assistance in his fight against Law and Luffy.

What assistance did doffy have luffy couldn't beat doffy without law Zoro and sanji wouldn't have faired any better and zoro and sanji have always been portrayed as equals. Oda him self has called them the wings if the pirate King if that doesn't cement their equality I'm not sure what will lol

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Didn't Ivankov actually pass out against Akainu?

Yeah why? It doesn't take away from what I said.

 

[ToshiZO]

Nothing indicates Kuma is > Zoro. If I went strictly by whats shown Zoro trashes Kuma. But I like to give Kuma the benefit of the doubt and say he was really really holding back, just to save face for one of the notable revolutionaries. Otherwise Zoro doesn't get pushed past mid diff.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Nothing indicates Kuma is > Zoro. If I went strictly by whats shown Zoro trashes Kuma. But I like to give Kuma the benefit of the doubt and say he was really really holding back, just to save face for one of the notable revolutionaries. Otherwise Zoro doesn't get pushed past mid diff.

That is true we haven't seen much from kuma to support that he is over zoro but same could be said that we didn't see much from black beard that would indicate that he could beat ace until he did. And there is no way in hell zoro could mid diff kuma at this point that's just being completely bias and purely fanboy talk no offense

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What assistance did doffy have luffy couldn't beat doffy without law Zoro and sanji wouldn't have faired any better and zoro and sanji have always been portrayed as equals. Oda him self has called them the wings if the pirate King if that doesn't cement their equality I'm not sure what will lol

Doffy got assistance from Bellamy and Trebol, and Bellamy was able to separate Luffy and Las for a while since Luffy didn't want to beat up Bellamy. Bellamy also did some damage to Luffy and made him waste Haki. Trebol helped Doffy by distracting Law. Doffy only gave Luffy and Law a lot of trouble since they didn't fight him together for almost all of the fight. If Doffy didn't have any help, which would allow for Luffy and Law to fight together the entire time, then I think Doffy would get mid diffed.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Doffy got assistance from Bellamy and Trebol, and Bellamy was able to separate Luffy and Las for a while since Luffy didn't want to beat up Bellamy. Bellamy also did some damage to Luffy and made him waste Haki. Trebol helped Doffy by distracting Law. Doffy only gave Luffy and Law a lot of trouble since they didn't fight him together for almost all of the fight. If Doffy didn't have any help, which would allow for Luffy and Law to fight together the entire time, then I think Doffy would get mid diffed.

In a 1v1, Law of G2/G3 Luffy would get mid diffed by Doffy. I highly doubt Law-Luffy together to beat Doffy without potentially getting a scratch.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doffy got assistance from Bellamy and Trebol, and Bellamy was able to separate Luffy and Las for a while since Luffy didn't want to beat up Bellamy. Bellamy also did some damage to Luffy and made him waste Haki. Trebol helped Doffy by distracting Law. Doffy only gave Luffy and Law a lot of trouble since they didn't fight him together for almost all of the fight. If Doffy didn't have any help, which would allow for Luffy and Law to fight together the entire time, then I think Doffy would get mid diffed.

What's stopping Doffy from filling the gap from the missing Trebol and Bellamy with Awakening?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What's stopping Doffy from filling the gap from the missing Trebol and Bellamy with Awakening?

Wouldn't be enough to make up for Bellamy being used to separate Law and Luffy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wouldn't be enough to make up for Bellamy being used to separate Law and Luffy.

How so? You really think that the emotions Luffy has towards Bellamy will hold him back more than the force of Awakened strings? Not to mention that Luffy has already made his peace with knocking out Bellamy to get to Doffy, so it's not like he's gonna go through that whole sobfest of "I don't wanna hit you!" again. Why would Luffy's character regress to that when he's already overcome it for this scenario?

 

[Bogard]

So according to my current power estimation(old gen not included) i had something like

26/27- Zoro
28/32- Kuma/Ivankov
38/39- Sanji

So it could go either way, favouring Kuma/Ivankov more times than not

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

So according to my current power estimation(old gen not included) i had something like

26/27- Zoro
28/32- Kuma/Ivankov
38/39- Sanji

So it could go either way, favouring Kuma/Ivankov more times than not

Are those numbers from your One Piece strength ranking?