Neji vs. Sasuke at time of the Chunin Exam finals

[neosmith500]

You're assuming that just because Sasuke choose attack like that, that he had to inorder to hit Naruto.

He literally said himself that he needed to create the opening . while narutos Los was shifted to the fire balls the opening for sasuke's blitz was created , doesn't matter how he did it.

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If he could've just blitzed naruto with chidori the same way Hebi Sasuke blitzed that random CM2 fodder with his sword then he would've.

Base VOTE Sasuke is likely faster than Chunin exam CM Sasuke due to the fact that his stats got a huge boost and his CM is vastly superior.

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- Do you agree with everything he's saying? Including the part of base Naruto being able to visually and physically keep up with CM Sasuke?

These two scans literally have naruto visually and physically keeping up with CM Sasukes speed while not even trying to fight back since he was ultimately testing to see if sasuke would really kill him.

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Why would Neji who has Byakugan along with vastly superior reflex/reaction , Taijutsu/Body Speed and skill not be capable of doing much better against a vastly inferior/slower/weaker CM Sasuke ????????

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

He literally said himself that he needed to create the opening . while narutos Los was shifted to the fire balls the opening for sasuke's blitz was created , doesn't matter how he did it.

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If he could've just blitzed naruto with chidori the same way Hebi Sasuke blitzed that random CM2 fodder with his sword then he would've.

Base VOTE Sasuke is likely faster than Chunin exam CM Sasuke due to the fact that his stats got a huge boost and his CM is vastly superior.

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These two scans literally have naruto visually and physically keeping up with CM Sasukes speed while not even trying to fight back since he was ultimately testing to see if sasuke would really kill him.

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Why would Neji who has Byakugan along with vastly superior reflex/reaction , Taijutsu/Body Speed and skill not be capable of doing much better against a vastly inferior/slower/weaker CM Sasuke ????????

- He uses Chidori with precision. If he hadn't set up the distraction then there was a possibility that he would miss his targetted location (Naruto's heart), due to Naruto countering.

- How is Sasuke utilizing his speed when he's just falling in the air?

- Naruto wasn't physically keeping up, if he was then he wouldn't have been punched in the face.

 

[King Of Pop]

Neji wins low dif

He literally said himself that he needed to create the opening . while narutos Los was shifted to the fire balls the opening for sasuke's blitz was created , doesn't matter how he did it.

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If he could've just blitzed naruto with chidori the same way Hebi Sasuke blitzed that random CM2 fodder with his sword then he would've.

hmmm exactly the strategy he employed here

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creating the opening to bliz with chidori via ameno

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kishi and his parallels.

 

[V h o]

Probably sasuke. Idk if neji can handle sasukes speed, kind of foggy on part one stuff now. Still doubtful if chidori would pierce rotation, but kishi don't care about hyuga....

 

[Simbv]

Probably sasuke. Idk if neji can handle sasukes speed, kind of foggy on part one stuff now. Still doubtful if chidoro would pierce rotation, but kishi don't care about hyuga....

Sasuke was as fast as Lee during the CE finals, Lee still needed gates to stand a chance against Neji, as stated back in the prelims

Add on to the fact that Sasuke can't keep moving at that speed without being tired out.



Do the math my friend.

 

[V h o]

Sasuke was as fast as Lee during the CE finals, Lee still needed gates to stand a chance against Neji.


Do the math my friend.

Hmm did neji keep track of Lee when he took weights off?

 

[neosmith500]

- He uses Chidori with precision. If he hadn't set up the distraction then there was a possibility that he would miss his targetted location (Naruto's heart), due to Naruto countering.

Exactly , he couldn't Blitz Naruto so he cant blitz Neji in a weaker/slower form , neji easily tracks and reacts to him.

Also if sasuke could've blitzed and used chidori without a distraction and result in critically injuring naruto by striking close to his heart , then him creating the distraction would've been redundant , clearly u think sasukes stronger and faster than wat kishi portrays and im going with kishi on this one.

Take Gated Lee as an example , he'd simply wtf blitz naruto on spot without any form of diversion or visual/physical reaction from naruto simply due to raw speed.

- How is Sasuke utilizing his speed when he's just falling in the air?

Look at the bottom panels bro , he obviously utilized his speed after falling when he dashed towards naruto who still had his back turned , its the same way Ce Sasuke dashed towards gaara here.

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- Naruto wasn't physically keeping up, if he was then he wouldn't have been punched in the face.

Dude stop ignoring details in the manga for ur own benefit , naruto reacted to his shunshin blitz with his back turned and caught his first attack , then got punched in the face while busy crying on the inside and having flashbacks over sasukes betrayal , clearly not as into the battle as sasuke was , stop blatantly ignoring that fact , either way u have yet to tackle the fact that Neji's Base Stats are vastly superior to Base Naruto's and so is his awareness/insight , so he wont have any problem at all visually and physically reacting to a vastly inferior CM Sasuke to the one that couldn't blitz naruto without a diversion.

 

[Simbv]

Hmm did neji keep track of Lee when he took weights off?

Neji along with Gai was one of the only ones not shocked by his speed.

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Which means:

1. He's either saw it before.
2.Sparred agaisnt Lee without weights
3.Came to the conclusion its no threat against him.

Neji was only surpised and shocked when Lee opened the gates.

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[V h o]

Neji along with Gai was one of the only ones not shocked by his speed.

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Which means:

1. He's either saw it before.
2.Sparred agaisnt Lee without weights
3.Came to the conclusion its no threat against him.

Neji was only surpised and shocked when Lee opened the gates.

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Ah I see, thanks for clarifying. I rembered neji being shocked at some point. Ill give it to neji then.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Neji wins low to mid difficulty.

At that stage Sasuke had just gotten to the point where he could use the same speed as unweightened Lee, but he could only do it for short bursts. Neji could beat Lee unweighted. At best Sasuke mimicked Lee's taijutsu. If the original didn't work against Neji, the copy wouldn't either. But the fact that Sasuke felt the need to mimic Lee's taijutsu suggest that Lee's taijutsu was better.

In order to beat Neji, Lee would have needed to go the 4th gate. Sasuke during the chuunin exams had nothing of that scale. Which means coming in close is a no go, which would bring me to chidori.

Chidori is essentially a super sharp condensed chakra ball/ sword. There is no reason logically it would get through rotation which works by displacing force. The most likely conclusion of the clash is that chidori is displaced.

Sasuke does have his katon, which honestly in this case is all he really has to work with. Neji has a counter to the rest of his arsenal.

Whereas, Sasuke doesn't really have the speed to outmaneuver Neji, nor does he have the taijutsu to go toe to toe. Not to mention the only lethal technique in his arsenal at that point, takes more set up time than what Neji would allow.

 

[neosmith500]

Sasuke doesn't really have the speed to outmaneuver Neji, nor does he have the taijutsu to go toe to toe. Not to mention the only lethal technique in his arsenal at that point, takes more set up time than what Neji would allow.

Yep and then add the fact that even with CM1 Neji easily tracks and reacts to his speed , literally this sasuke stands zero chance , the battle ranges from neg to low diff.

Neji wins low dif


hmmm exactly the strategy he employed here

kishi and his parallels.

Was gonna mention this but figured it was irrelevant but it makes my point even stronger.

 

[NarutoX28]

To be honest, Sasuke shouldn't be compared to Lee here to justify why Sasuke loses because while their speeds are equivalent, Sasuke also has the 2T Sharingan.

 

[Tazzilla88]

To be honest, Sasuke shouldn't be compared to Lee here to justify why Sasuke loses because while their speeds are equivalent, Sasuke also has the 2T Sharingan.

Except Sasuke copied Lee's Taijutsu. You don't copy inferior moves. If he's only reached the speed that a non gated lee possess and uses the same taijutsu. Lee tends to be a good comparison.

If the height of Sasuke's speed allows his him to keep up with Base Lee, and his taijutsu is ordinarily inferior, nothing suggests that adding in the sharingan is actually beneficial. He'd still have to react without being touched even if he can see the moves coming.

Thus my general argument boils down to the idea that he has to engage in CQC but his taijutsu is inferior to Lee's and speed doesn't give him an an advantage either. Sharingan doesn't allow him to surpass Neji's defense.

 

[NarutoX28]

Except Sasuke copied Lee's Taijutsu. You don't copy inferior moves. If he's only reached the speed that a non gated lee possess and uses the same taijutsu. Lee tends to be a good comparison.

If the height of Sasuke's speed allows his him to keep up with Base Lee, and his taijutsu is ordinarily inferior, nothing suggests that adding in the sharingan is actually beneficial. He'd still have to react without being touched even if he can see the moves coming.

Thus my general argument boils down to the idea that he has to engage in CQC but his taijutsu is inferior to Lee's and speed doesn't give him an an advantage either. Sharingan doesn't allow him to surpass Neji's defense.

It's really not. Sharingan gives him an edge in preempting Neji's moves which would allow him to have an easier time evading his strikes or even counterattacking which is essential in Taijutsu. His speed is the same, but his ability to perform in CQC is potentially greater due to having an extra degree of perception. I agree that Neji wins this, but I don't agree with him being compared to Lee.

 

[neosmith500]

It's really not. Sharingan gives him an edge in preempting Neji's moves which would allow him to have an easier time evading his strikes or even counterattacking which is essential in Taijutsu. His speed is the same, but his ability to perform in CQC is potentially greater due to having an extra degree of perception. I agree that Neji wins this, but I don't agree with him being compared to Lee.

While i agree that lee isn't a fair justifier i also disagree that the 2t would give sasuke any sort of edge/help in a tight taijutsu face-off.

The speed of his strikes/counters are slow enough for naruto to visually and physically react , if this was neji sasuke would've lost the match here , which is why Tazzilla88 noted that he cant go toe to toe.

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Neji's Reaction/Reflex speed for defense or attack is much greater than narutos and can react to and block sasukes counter strikes

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, lee needing hidden lotus in order to test neji's quick reaction timing.


Also the fundamental difference between neji and naruto is their taijutsu style , body speed and skill , It wont be easy for sasuke to dodge simple pokes to the chest/body which unlike punches/kicks are subtle , ultra quick , unorthodox and much easier to land.

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So no , Sasuke wont have a easier time avoiding neji's strikes in taijutsu at all and would get totally stomped in seconds if he tries it and this much is true even if he started in CM.

 

[NarutoX28]

While i agree that lee isn't a fair justifier i also disagree that the 2t would give sasuke any sort of edge/help in a tight taijutsu face-off.

The speed of his strikes/counters are slow enough for naruto to visually and physically react , if this was neji sasuke would've lost the match here , which is why Tazzilla88 noted that he cant go toe to toe.

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Neji's Reaction/Reflex speed for defense or attack is much greater than narutos and can react to and block sasukes counter strikes

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, lee needing hidden lotus in order to test neji's quick reaction timing.


Also the fundamental difference between neji and naruto is their taijutsu style , body speed and skill , It wont be easy for sasuke to dodge simple pokes to the chest/body which unlike punches/kicks are subtle , ultra quick , unorthodox and much easier to land.

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So no , Sasuke wont have a easier time avoiding neji's strikes in taijutsu at all and would get totally stomped in seconds if he tries it and this much is true even if he started in CM.

I agree with the majority of it because in the end, Sasuke's Taijutsu is inferior to Neji's because it's a knock-off of Lee's and Sasuke's speed is the equivalent of Lee's which isn't remotely enough to pressure him.

 

[neosmith500]

I agree with the majority of it because in the end, Sasuke's Taijutsu is inferior to Neji's because it's a knock-off of Lee's and Sasuke's speed is the equivalent of Lee's which isn't remotely enough to pressure him.

Wat parts do u disagree with tho?

 

[NarutoX28]

Wat parts do u disagree with tho?

Maybe later. I don't really feel like debating trivial things when we agree upon the same thing essentially.