Anime nerfed Hagoromo and took away greatest feat/hype

[KCMNaruto]

The manga fact:

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^^ The Hermit created world with it. I am sorry but I lack viz scan of this panel but it was fixed to something like:

"It was said that Sage of six paths used this divine sword Nunoboko to reshape the whole world."

No matter how you twist it , The meaning and hype stay the same. Don't try to troll with Sasuke and Naruto breaking it as Obito added that it was sword of soul, so it's power is dependant on wielder's will.

Manga also portrayed and stated Juubi as creator of shinobi world, so it all points towards Hagoromo using divine sword as Ten tails Host, adding the fact Obito was host of ten tails too when he unleashed this divine weapon.

Black Zetsu's words about Kaguya's huge Tsb being used to overwrite dimenssion which is bascially recreating by destroying everything and starting fresh prove that TSb can do it. Now we know Hagoromo knows COAT and was aware of it's power. Is it farfetched to say Hagoromo used this sword along with his Tsb to fix world/original dimenssion of Kaguya after vast destruction which Juubi brought to land ?

I mean all was stated by manga, leaving us with all clues/hints and facts. All we need to do is joining them.

Discuss

 

[Marin]

You answered yourself. Juubi was stated to be the progenitor of the world but we later realise that it was simply Kaguya/Tree that was Juubi and she only appeared after the world was born. (How else would she arrive at it if it wasn't there already?)

Most of the narrations done by Obito/Madara/Zetsu and the like aren't a 100% true as they all either manipulated or got served the manipulated history. (We're talking about people who didn't even know what the jutsu they spent their whole lives trying to achieve was going to do.)

 

[SenseiSama]

I think Hagoromo used it against he Juubi and it resulted in the entire landscape being reshaped. Considering Naruto and Sasuke's fight was on a regional scale and they were only 16 I'm gonna assume the fight between Otsusuki was basically on a continental scale.

 

[KCMNaruto]

You answered yourself. Juubi was stated to be the progenitor of the world but we later realise that it was simply Kaguya/Tree that was Juubi and she only appeared after the world was born. (How else would she arrive at it if it wasn't there already?)

Most of the narrations done by Obito/Madara/Zetsu and the like aren't a 100% true as they all either manipulated or got served the manipulated history. (We're talking about people who didn't even know what the jutsu they spent their whole lives trying to achieve was going to do.)

That would be ok, but even in databook IV or Naruto shippuden Ultimate Ninja storm 4 game it was hyped up and Kishi was working with them at least, also I enjoyed playing it and said all done by them is ok, or some stuff like that.

Sorry but not being butthurt or fanboy but all manga and databook statements lead us to Hagoromo fixing planet after becoming JJ then traveing and spreading ninshu.

I think Hagoromo used it against he Juubi and it resulted in the entire landscape being reshaped. Considering Naruto and Sasuke's fight was on a regional scale and they were only 16 I'm gonna assume the fight between Otsusuki was basically on a continental scale.

Possibly but based on Juubi's power I doubt any fixing/reshaping could stay more then few seconds as it was very destructive power, it would make much more sense for Hagoromo to use it to fix the world and then promised to never use it again and act as human to understand them better.

 

[Marin]

That would be ok, but even in databook IV or Naruto shippuden Ultimate Ninja storm 4 game it was hyped up and Kishi was working with them at least, also I enjoyed playing it and said all done by them is ok, or some stuff like that.

Sorry but not being butthurt or fanboy but all manga and databook statements lead us to Hagoromo fixing planet after becoming JJ then traveing and spreading ninshu.

Are you talking about fixing or creating? Because in the OP you said create which is illogical as the Sage would then have to exist independantly of the world in order to do so and we know this isn't the case. If you're talking about fixing the world then sure why not? What's the evidence for him using the sword to fix it tho? (How would you even do that anyway?)

Also are you calling me butthurt/fapboy?

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Not gonna lie tho it was lame to see the sage use his bare hands to build the bridge

 

[Ansatsuken]

SP didnt get the blue print

 

[KCMNaruto]

Are you talking about fixing or creating? Because in the OP you said create which is illogical as the Sage would then have to exist independantly of the world in order to do so and we know this isn't the case. If you're talking about fixing the world then sure why not? What's the evidence for him using the sword to fix it tho? (How would you even do that anyway?)

Also are you calling me butthurt/fapboy?

Sorry for confusion. I only posted scan which was avaliable for me in the interent, however this translation was fan made in opposite to viz's translation which seems to be offical one as they translate manga published as book. About fixing TSB having power to do it, Hagoromo having COAT and Obito stating it(yeah I don't believe every workd spoken/stated by character, but you should know that every myth contains a grain of truth at least).

No I didn't called you any names, rather reffering to me that I am not any of them if I state it.. make it short, I didn't call you any bad name.

Not gonna lie tho it was lame to see the sage use his bare hands to build the bridge

Yeah, it was hilarious . I mean I would be fine with it after fixing planet/word feat which would took most if not all of his power for a while leaving him close to powerless.

He would be genuine open to threat or dangers instead of acting like that for sake of it. Of course I am not decreasing of the impact that part of episode did especially with importance of bridge in human life and all.

SP didnt get the blue print

Too bad then ;(

 

[Marin]

Sorry for confusion. I only posted scan which was avaliable for me in the interent, however this translation was fan made in opposite to viz's translation which seems to be offical one as they translate manga published as book. About fixing TSB having power to do it, Hagoromo having COAT and Obito stating it(yeah I don't believe every workd spoken/stated by character, but you should know that every myth contains a grain of truth at least).

No I didn't called you any names, rather reffering to me that I am not any of them if I state it.. make it short, I didn't call you any bad name.

I have yet to see that scan. Also, why think the TSB is the same as Nobunoko sword? Nobunoko was (feat wise) but a short lived weapon that was hyped to be God all-mighty one second and then got obliderated by a Susanoo. Not impressed really. Even if we were to go with the sword actually having that sort of unparalled power why would the recent episode contradict the notion that Nobunoko was used to repair the world? (Assuming this part also wasn't an exagaration as is the majority of the Sage's past that hasn't been stated by the Sage himself.)

Surely all we saw was a brief fixing of the bridge which, while non-sencial as Sage could fix it even without using Nobunoko, was more of a symbolic thing of the Sage unifying the people together (wishing them to participate in the process as to actively support the goal) which goes perfectly with his character and the teachings of Ninshuu he was trying to promote in the first place. It is quite possible that he used the sword to fix the geographical damage (that would be impossible to fix with bare hands) later on after the process of spreading the creed was complete.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I have yet to see that scan. Also, why think the TSB is the same as Nobunoko sword? Nobunoko was (feat wise) but a short lived weapon that was hyped to be God all-mighty one second and then got obliderated by a Susanoo. Not impressed really. Even if we were to go with the sword actually having that sort of unparalled power why would the recent episode contradict the notion that Nobunoko was used to repair the world? (Assuming this part also wasn't an exagaration as is the majority of the Sage's past that hasn't been stated by the Sage himself.)

Surely all we saw was a brief fixing of the bridge which, while non-sencial as Sage could fix it even without using Nobunoko, was more of a symbolic thing of the Sage unifying the people together (wishing them to participate in the process as to actively support the goal) which goes perfectly with his character and the teachings of Ninshuu he was trying to promote in the first place. It is quite possible that he used the sword to fix the geographical damage (that would be impossible to fix with bare hands) later on after the process of spreading the creed was complete.

Sure I understand your point of view and the premise of your post. However Nunoboko was specifically stated as Sword of soul just like Totsuka and Yata were bound with Itachi by soul or some stuff that like. Usually if author bother to come up with such explanation it mean to be very hax and important.

About Buliding bridge in episode, sure it greatly has shown Sage's philosophy and character, but it took away threat/dangers feeling, obstacles as enemies who would make it harder for him and him struggling as human to make it through. Do not understand me wrong as I really like it, however Sage being able to easily destroy them at any point of story takes away importance of this theme from me. That why fixing word beforehand would be great excusse and storytelling to show Sage being human for time being or human alike.

 

[123fire]

The manga didn't show us him with it too... Why blame the anime then?

 

[KCMNaruto]

The manga didn't show us him with it too... Why blame the anime then?

Because it was stated or hinted at least by manga for him to have it. Anime had golden opportunity to show it and hype it up even further while making episode even more impactfull.

Anyway episode was great, just some wasted potential to put it even higher, also pace of building bridge was too slow for my feel

 

[Marin]

Sure I understand your point of view and the premise of your post. However Nunoboko was specifically stated as Sword of soul just like Totsuka and Yata were bound with Itachi by soul or some stuff that like. Usually if author bother to come up with such explanation it mean to be very hax and important.

About Buliding bridge in episode, sure it greatly has shown Sage's philosophy and character, but it took away threat/dangers feeling, obstacles as enemies who would make it harder for him and him struggling as human to make it through. Do not understand me wrong as I really like it, however Sage being able to easily destroy them at any point of story takes away importance of this theme from me. That why fixing word beforehand would be great excusse and storytelling to show Sage being human for time being or human alike.

Nowhere has it been said that Nobunoko is bound to anyone's soul. It was simply said that it reflects the soul. (Or something in that context.) What that is supposed to mean is left ambiguous. Totsuka on the other hand is simply a spiritual weapon that was stated to be found by Itachi. What happened to it after Itachi's death is unknown as is its entire nature so I don't think there's much room for discussion here.

As for the other paragraph, sure it would be a lot more interesting if we had some more twists along the way but SP envisioned the Sage's journey as that which served the goal of spreading peace and love among others. Using violence to take out all who opposed him would have hindered the message he's trying to convey. (Which is one of the reasons why he didn't simply take care of the bridge thief like he did back in the day when Kaguya was around, instead simply dwarfing his plans and teaching him a lesson through peaceful methods.) What you're basically saying is that you'd like this to be a different story to which I can only say that I wouldn't. I find the tone fitting.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Nowhere has it been said that Nobunoko is bound to anyone's soul. It was simply said that it reflects the soul. (Or something in that context.) What that is supposed to mean is left ambiguous. Totsuka on the other hand is simply a spiritual weapon that was stated to be found by Itachi. What happened to it after Itachi's death is unknown as is its entire nature so I don't think there's much room for discussion here.

As for the other paragraph, sure it would be a lot more interesting if we had some more twists along the way but SP envisioned the Sage's journey as that which served the goal of spreading peace and love among others. Using violence to take out all who opposed him would have hindered the message he's trying to convey. (Which is one of the reasons why he didn't simply take care of the bridge thief like he did back in the day when Kaguya was around, instead simply dwarfing his plans and teaching him a lesson through peaceful methods.) What you're basically saying is that you'd like this to be a different story to which I can only say that I wouldn't. I find the tone fitting.

I am sorry but I feel like we are runing in circle. I mean I can see your point but you keep misunderstaing me about Nunoboko's part. I mean Anime could make him first exeggerate huge power by fixing planet/world to latter be done as it was done, but extra reader could feel weakness and powerless of sage who has to struggle instead of one shotting trees and just dragging them. I mean it may look convicing but the power and strength used in doing it aleady cheapen it a bit.

Anyway I agree to disagree so let's just respect each other opinion . Thanks for contribution

 

[Marin]

I am sorry but I feel like we are runing in circle. I mean I can see your point but you keep misunderstaing me about Nunoboko's part. I mean Anime could make him first exeggerate huge power by fixing planet/world to latter be done as it was done, but extra reader could feel weakness and powerless of sage who has to struggle instead of one shotting trees and just dragging them. I mean it may look convicing but the power and strength used in doing it aleady cheapen it a bit.

Anyway I agree to disagree so let's just respect each other opinion . Thanks for contribution

I'm not disagreeing. I simply initially thought that you were saying that the anime contradicted the notion of Sage using the Nobunoko (assuming that he did in fact use it in the manga) based on the fact that it wasn't showed. We're pretty much on the same side only preffering different executions.

 

[SenseiSama]

Not gonna lie tho it was lame to see the sage use his bare hands to build the bridge

I was expecting him to use Mokuton -_-

 

[Jokule67]

Dude do you know that is a legend. He probably just saved a village from a landslide or knocked a mountain out the way.

 

[SenseiSama]

Dude do you know that is a legend. He probably just saved a village from a landslide or knocked a mountain out the way.

If he can create a moon then he can definitely reshape the continents, we saw how Sasuke could destroy meteorites the size of entire mountain ranges without effort, JJ Hagoromo is stronger than JJ Madara so he should have no problem

 

[Scryed]

Probably. Kaguya's TSB had the power to wipe out the whole dimension and it would apparently mean the start of a new dimension. I guess it's possible that Hagoromo managed to master it to the point where he could do something similar

Obito using it won't be the same as Hagoromo using it. Especially since its strength is dependent on the user's will.

 

[Jokule67]

If he can create a moon then he can definitely reshape the continents, we saw how Sasuke could destroy meteorites the size of entire mountain ranges without effort, JJ Hagoromo is stronger than JJ Madara so he should have no problem

You misunderstand.
What I am saying is he would have no damn reason to do that. He probably jusg saved a village from a natural disaster.