Powerful letter from the Stanford Victim

[Ōkami]

How do you only get six months for rape?

That's what my boy got for a DUI.

 

[Chihaya]

Your Sarcasm is weak and you miss-understand my point.


Chihaya, I do understand your point of view and without any added sarcasm or anything negative I'd say that you have a good potential for becoming a lawyer. You can put things in a light that favors your way of thinking.

I will stick to my idea tho' saying that both are guilty.
I did write more about the girl and probably this is what made you to think that I find her more guilty.

In situations such as this one, there is no one more guilty.
Can you blame two magnets for the fact that, they tend to go together if you try to pull them apart ?
Well, these are humans ofc.. not magnets. She created the opportunity for him and he was drunk enough to find his opportunity. You will probably say what opportunity did he have ? His opportunity to **** someone. Because we can all agree that he indeed wanted to release all his sexual tension from alcohool, age, party, desire.

She, as a mature woman should have known how much to drink. The fact that she didn't realize her body couldn't take that much alcoohol in her(as she says) means two things.
1. In the past she partied like crazy and drank like a horse. (so, she has a history).
2. She didn't really care if her body can now take it. She didn't really care if she's exposing herself.

In a world where, there are no rapists and where there are rapists. Seriously, we cannot discuss fantasy because the world we live in has: rapists, serial killers, garbage collectors who treasure them, indoctrinated people, communities where there is a single male and 50 women (forgot the term for this), etc.

I do by no means offend you. I discuss only the idea.

They are both guilty and as I said in my original post he deserves more than 14 years and bla bla. While I didn't say she deserves a punishment.

More than 14 years = life ruined.
She tho' has to live with her psychological marks..

So, Then again I do not empathize with any of them.

Once again I find myself agreeing with most of your post that the guy had sexual desires and she was an opportunity. I also agree that she could of been more mature and not drunk as much. But what if it wasn't her who got assaulted, but another girl? You would of said the same thing right? How about her sister? People would still say that the girl shouldn't of gotten drunk and been responsible. However, it's a party, and that's what happens at parties. No matter the age or gender, you do things you shouldn't. So yeah, she shouldn't of drunk that much. No one at that party should of, as I know she wasn't the only drunk woman there. She was just the unlucky one. And I know it's a fantasy to live in a world where there aren't any rapists. I was just trying to paint a picture. That if that man wasn't at the party, she would of lived that night like any other college girl. But he was, and now that I think about it. Men naturally have more tolerance to alcohol, it's a fact. He stated that he remembered and gave his facts as to why it wasn't assault or whatever (all sugar-coated lies). He was surely sober enough to remember what he did, unlike her who claimed to not remember much of anything. Therefore I find myself once again stuck with my opinion that she was just being a normal college girl and she had every right to have fun and he took advantage of her and like you said saw an opportunity. But he didn't have to take it. I still can't see myself thinking otherwise. I'd still like to hear yourrrr view and opinion as to why it's her fault cause maybe you can persuade me to think differently. But again, this quote honestly strikes me deep and I agree with it 100% We were both drunk, the difference is I did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately, and run away. That’s the difference.
And off topic, I absolutely hate law hahaha. I could never be a lawyer >_<

 

[JENchuuriki]

It's devastating. But judge's decision is final. OH

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Just read it. Oh god this story just makes me mad. That bastard deserves way more time than 6 months! The dude by no means understands what he did. This is dangerious for other women around.

 

[Namar]

Once again I find myself agreeing with most of your post that the guy had sexual desires and she was an opportunity. I also agree that she could of been more mature and not drunk as much. But what if it wasn't her who got assaulted, but another girl? You would of said the same thing right? How about her sister? People would still say that the girl shouldn't of gotten drunk and been responsible. However, it's a party, and that's what happens at parties. No matter the age or gender, you do things you shouldn't. So yeah, she shouldn't of drunk that much. No one at that party should of, as I know she wasn't the only drunk woman there. She was just the unlucky one. And I know it's a fantasy to live in a world where there aren't any rapists. I was just trying to paint a picture. That if that man wasn't at the party, she would of lived that night like any other college girl. But he was, and now that I think about it. Men naturally have more tolerance to alcohol, it's a fact. He stated that he remembered and gave his facts as to why it wasn't assault or whatever (all sugar-coated lies). He was surely sober enough to remember what he did, unlike her who claimed to not remember much of anything. Therefore I find myself once again stuck with my opinion that she was just being a normal college girl and she had every right to have fun and he took advantage of her and like you said saw an opportunity. But he didn't have to take it. I still can't see myself thinking otherwise. I'd still like to hear yourrrr view and opinion as to why it's her fault cause maybe you can persuade me to think differently. But again, this quote honestly strikes me deep and I agree with it 100% We were both drunk, the difference is I did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately, and run away. That’s the difference.
And off topic, I absolutely hate law hahaha. I could never be a lawyer >_<

The "Your Sarcasm is weak and you miss-understand my point." is not written for you.
Please quote my entire message that was written for you again because I edited my grammar (a couple of times) to make it more relaxing for the eye.

I do not believe in her words nor' in his. He is tempted to lie in order to escape. She is tempted to lie by a lot of reasons: anger, shame, image, outraged by the fact that she was left bare naked on the streets (She's mature right ? Who is she to left like this by a student younger than her. Outrageous!). In the end it doesn't matter who has more reasons. They both can lie for their cause.

They both clearly use impression markers.
These words "We were both drunk, the difference is I did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately, and run away. That’s the difference." These are nothing more than empathy grabbers. If we read them closely they bring no real evidence of what actually happened out there.
No, they were not both drunk. She was so drunk she passed out. That's not just drunk. That's alcoohol abuse. He was drunk. She more than simply drunk (by her own will).
Also, those words she used. Cannot be taken seriously because it is something very natural and based on instinct. Girls tend to let guys to take of their clothes off and not vice-versa especially on a first time.. And let's be honest her writing suggests that she's that type of woman who is shy the first time so, ofc she wouldn't take of his clothes first. This statement is so irrelevant in more than just one way. It's like hearing someone judging a male for having a penis and a female for having a vagina.

I can tell that you are empathizing with her situation because you mentioned "what if it would've been another girl or, her sister". For us, it makes no difference if it was her sister because her sister is actually just another girl for us.

I'm outraged at him because (let's jump over the sexual stuff) he left her outside naked, exposed. Because he ****ed her near garbage.. and this alone speaks a lot of negative things about this guy. This woman gave him an orgasm and he couldn't use his little brain to **** her in a bed, bathroom, in front of mirror or something interesting and protective. She has a health to maintain and many other aspects. So, ok.. you ****ed her, but at least be the man to respect her.

Any other guy who would've been in his situation would've faced this.

He basically says that she accepted in doing it. (meh let's not trust this yet)
She says she was raped. (meh let's not trust this yet)
She went to a student party
She got more than drunk
*Young people know why there are such parties. The main reason for youngsters is to drink and fuuck*.
So, you're a mature woman, you clearly don't care about the situation you're in, you don't care that they are all young an horny, a guy ****s you and then you call him to judgement.

I definitely think he abused her because he found her drunk and males can be tricky, females too.
Right, now she seems like the type of lady who wants revenge because she feels treated like shit and because she feels guilty towards her relatives and boyfriend for creating this situation.

It's difficult to say about any other women because he might have met the women who would have said "Omg, such a good fuuck*. This is left to interpretation and a bit of luck no ?

He is not a rapist because he ****ed a drunk women. He is a rapist because she acts like this. He is a rapist because he didn't give shit about her person and left her outside.

If any other girl was there.. Probably they would've have been drunk as a horse and could've reached the dorm room.

Garbage can... "Hei Let's finish these bottles of whatever and then go to the dorm.. Oh look a garbage can let's throw them there when we finish drinking" ----- *She passes out there* ----- *The idiot does it there*... Doge covers his eyes.


Again, he is rapist by situation in this one. I did hear that he raped girls before this gives me no empathy for him and I hope to see him in jail for a long time.

Again, she is situational... Does she really doesn't remember everything before the **** ? Did she pass out during the act itself ?

This is something I don't understand "Vulnerable girl" - Ok, why are you vulnerable. Can he drag her from the party all the way outside this is why vulnerable ? Vulnerable because she falls prey to her instincts ? The male falls prey to his instincts as well.

I've met people who lied for their interests both females and males and I was disgusted of how they could've lied just to get out. There for I do not trust their words of drama. I only trust what happened and what happened is the fact that a mature woman was ****ed by a student and she was left outside like an animal. Outrageous and outrageous.

No empathy for any of them.

 

[Chihaya]

Spoiler

The "Your Sarcasm is weak and you miss-understand my point." is not written for you.
Please quote my entire message that was written for you again because I edited my grammar (a couple of times) to make it more relaxing for the eye.

I do not believe in her words nor' in his. He is tempted to lie in order to escape. She is tempted to lie by a lot of reasons: anger, shame, image, outraged by the fact that she was left bare naked on the streets (She's mature right ? Who is she to left like this by a student younger than her. Outrageous!). In the end it doesn't matter who has more reasons. They both can lie for their cause.

They both clearly use impression markers.
These words "We were both drunk, the difference is I did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately, and run away. That’s the difference." These are nothing more than empathy grabbers. If we read them closely they bring no real evidence of what actually happened out there.
No, they were not both drunk. She was so drunk she passed out. That's not just drunk. That's alcoohol abuse. He was drunk. She more than simply drunk (by her own will).
Also, those words she used. Cannot be taken seriously because it is something very natural and based on instinct. Girls tend to let guys to take of their clothes off and not vice-versa especially on a first time.. And let's be honest her writing suggests that she's that type of woman who is shy the first time so, ofc she wouldn't take of his clothes first. This statement is so irrelevant in more than just one way. It's like hearing someone judging a male for having a penis and a female for having a vagina.

I can tell that you are empathizing with her situation because you mentioned "what if it would've been another girl or, her sister". For us, it makes no difference if it was her sister because her sister is actually just another girl for us.

I'm outraged at him because (let's jump over the sexual stuff) he left her outside naked, exposed. Because he ****ed her near garbage.. and this alone speaks a lot of negative things about this guy. This woman gave him an orgasm and he couldn't use his little brain to **** her in a bed, bathroom, in front of mirror or something interesting and protective. She has a health to maintain and many other aspects. So, ok.. you ****ed her, but at least be the man to respect her.

Any other guy who would've been in his situation would've faced this.

He basically says that she accepted in doing it. (meh let's not trust this yet)
She says she was raped. (meh let's not trust this yet)
She went to a student party
She got more than drunk
*Young people know why there are such parties. The main reason for youngsters is to drink and fuuck*.
So, you're a mature woman, you clearly don't care about the situation you're in, you don't care that they are all young an horny, a guy ****s you and then you call him to judgement.

I definitely think he abused her because he found her drunk and males can be tricky, females too.
Right, now she seems like the type of lady who wants revenge because she feels treated like shit and because she feels guilty towards her relatives and boyfriend for creating this situation.

It's difficult to say about any other women because he might have met the women who would have said "Omg, such a good fuuck*. This is left to interpretation and a bit of luck no ?

He is not a rapist because he ****ed a drunk women. He is a rapist because she acts like this. He is a rapist because he didn't give shit about her person and left her outside.

If any other girl was there.. Probably they would've have been drunk as a horse and could've reached the dorm room.

Garbage can... "Hei Let's finish these bottles of whatever and then go to the dorm.. Oh look a garbage can let's throw them there when we finish drinking" ----- *She passes out there* ----- *The idiot does it there*... Doge covers his eyes.


Again, he is rapist by situation in this one. I did hear that he raped girls before this gives me no empathy for him and I hope to see him in jail for a long time.

Again, she is situational... Does she really doesn't remember everything before the **** ? Did she pass out during the act itself ?

This is something I don't understand "Vulnerable girl" - Ok, why are you vulnerable. Can he drag her from the party all the way outside this is why vulnerable ? Vulnerable because she falls prey to her instincts ? The male falls prey to his instincts as well.

I've met people who lied for their interests both females and males and I was disgusted of how they could've lied just to get out. There for I do not trust their words of drama. I only trust what happened and what happened is the fact that a mature woman was ****ed by a student and she was left outside like an animal. Outrageous and outrageous.

No empathy for any of them.

Okay so you've succeeded in convincing me that a lot of lies are possible in this situation. If I think about it, it does seem rather unlikely for her to just be passed out while this all happens. I wonder, as you said, did she pass out while it was happening, or before? If while, why didn't she call for help, or if before, how come someone didn't notice a man escorting an obviously tipsy woman outside to a garbage can. I can see holes in the plot that weren't there before. But nonetheless, as for the sympathizing part, I will sympathize for her. Just because she made the mistake of getting drunk doesn't make me think any less of her. She is mentally scarred and she stated that she felt disgusting in her own skin. Her body currently has physical pain while that man got his pleasure (whether it was true that she orgasmed or not doesn't matter to me as she had bruises in her vagina and around it and her body was scrapped against the asphalt? As if that would feel good to any girl. There's no way). Her life is now ruined and she has to live with feeling foreign in her own body. I sympathize with that, maybe because I am female myself and wouldn't be able to bare that weight on my shoulders. He may get put in jail for however long, but he doesn't seem affected by his actions at all. He selfishly apologizes for drinking, not assaulting her. He's assaulted women in the past. He shows no guilt or remorse. No matter how big his punishment, this woman has to live her life with new-born insecurities and therapy. I just can't help but sympathize with her as she may of gotten beyond drunk, but being assaulted is not something she deserved. Years of torment and nightmares and being uncomfortable in her own skin (something she cannot escape) is not something she deserved. So I feel sorry for her. I sympathize with her and her pain.

 

[Avani]

Your Sarcasm is weak and you miss-understand my point.

I also stated that I do not empathize with any of the two.
You want me to empathize with someone ? I can empathize with your attempt

And? I didn't know we were having a competition who can be more sarcastic here or I would have tried to pore more acid although I am a mild person despite not being diplomatic enough. On the other hand you are trying to evade answering my comment by discussing the nature of the post instead of implication of my counter statement for males and your own double standards.

You bring in suggestions about victim's intentions and personality without knowing a single thing about her and trying to shift blame of getting raped at least partially on her. This is exactly how so many end up dead after getting rape either getting murdered by their family or pushed to suicide. This is the root of cases of honour killing. “If you wouldn’t have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you.” And it's a comment said by a US judge not someone in Syria/Africa/India only. According to

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in the Journal of the American Medical Association, 35 percent of women in an Australian survey who had experienced gender-based violence later tried to commit suicide.

When you are working so hard to shift the blame on the victim later post script of your comment advocating for harder penalty on the rapist means little because for most of your post you were busy slaughtering the victim. It was barely there so that you can claim you are not supporting the rapist, while you definitely tried to make him look less guilty for taking advantage of an unconscious/ completely drunk person. What would your vote be if you were in the jury on this case?

In situations such as this one, there is no one more guilty.

See^ here is how you let of the rapist.

Can you blame one off two magnets more for the fact that, they tend to go together if you try to pull them apart ?
Well, these are humans ofc.. not magnets. She created the opportunity for him and he was drunk enough to find his opportunity. You will probably say what opportunity did he have ? His opportunity to **** someone. Because we can all agree that he indeed wanted to release all his sexual tension from alcohool, age, party, desire.

Every rich person is an opportunity for thieves and robbers. I suppose thieves are no more guilty than the rich person.

She, as a mature woman should have known how much to drink. The fact that she didn't realize her body couldn't take that much alcoohol in her(as she says) means two things.
1. In the past she partied like crazy and drank like a horse. (so, she has a history).
2. She didn't really care if her body can now take it. She didn't really care if she's exposing herself.

And the rapist was not mature enough to know the nature of his actions or consequences of it.

They are both guilty and as I said in my original post he deserves more than 14 years and bla bla. While I didn't say she deserves a punishment.

And yet you literally repeat she is guilty and the rapist is no more guilty than her- it's practically the same thing as saying that she deserves punishment and live with the psychological impact in the least because you know you caanot ask for more without coming of as complete jackass.

So, Then again I do not empathize with any of them.

Let's hope you never get drunk enough to be noticed by someone who takes advantage of the situation in some way.

, how come someone didn't notice a man escorting an obviously tipsy woman outside to a garbage can. I can see holes in the plot that weren't there before.

Where did you read that info? Besides it's not necessary that everyone who saw something is sure to volunteer information. Often people know buts about criminals and crimes and yet keep shut for various reason. Hard to say anything.

 

[Richard Lucifer]

There are people being beheaded and facing worse and worse fates, not that those who have it worst makes this case any less of importance but these stories should let you know, we live in a sad and terrible world, no matter where you are or what country you go, it's best to optimistic about life and just live, live and live some more.

 

[Wabbit]

It is not the first time first world justice system became a meme. There is a UK denying rape and Sweden giving community services.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Disgusting. The judge is ridiculous. I'd say the man deserves 6 months in prison or even longer.

 

[slimreaper]

Are you trying to defend a rapist?

Nope he's guilty. I am however defending the sentencing. His blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit therefore under California law he couldn't give consent either. Even so, 6 months in prison is nothing compared to having to register as a *** offender for the rest of his life. The punishment is fair.

Not a surprise. Last time he posted that he got two champions to support him too. On this forum people have used the term 'buyers remorse' and nothing more for such rapes performed on drunk girls ... And they went on to sympathies for the accused and what not.

While when they hear rape cases from this world countries they go- ohh it's because we have strict laws while your country encourages it.

Why is he responsible for his drunken actions but the girl isn't? Was she conscious? She seemed to be given her account of how horrible it was. Either she's being melo dramatic about the idea of something she can't remember, or she was awake and just didn't or couldn't say no

Yeah, to show people "maybe you shouldn't take anything he says seriously, even if he himself is serious about it". What's worse, referencing a post in your sig, or quoting him so he will check who quoted him and with what so he can continue?

What's ****ing hilarious is the quote you took was taken out of context on purpose to make me seem like I was supporting Hitler.


That post was a response to someone saying " Bernie is just doing what's fair and spreading the opportunity/wealth among everyone"


To point out the flaw in this argument, I compared it to what Hitler similarly did by robbing the Jews for what he thought was the good of the German people.


Go ahead sig this dumbass.

 

[Avani]

Nope he's guilty. I am however defending the sentencing. His blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit therefore under California law he couldn't give consent either. Even so, 6 months in prison is nothing compared to having to register as a *** offender for the rest of his life. The punishment is fair.

Why is he responsible for his drunken actions but the girl isn't? Was she conscious? She seemed to be given her account of how horrible it was. Either she's being melo dramatic about the idea of something she can't remember, or she was awake and just didn't or couldn't say no

Please look up your old thread for the reply to this old argument of yours. I am not going to type all that again.

 

[Funky Tiger]

Nope he's guilty. I am however defending the sentencing. His blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit therefore under California law he couldn't give consent either. Even so, 6 months in prison is nothing compared to having to register as a *** offender for the rest of his life. The punishment is fair.

Why is he responsible for his drunken actions but the girl isn't? Was she conscious? She seemed to be given her account of how horrible it was. Either she's being melo dramatic about the idea of something she can't remember, or she was awake and just didn't or couldn't say no


What's ****ing hilarious is the quote you took was taken out of context on purpose to make me seem like I was supporting Hitler.


That post was a response to someone saying " Bernie is just doing what's fair and spreading the opportunity/wealth among everyone"


To point out the flaw in this argument, I compared it to what Hitler similarly did by robbing the Jews for what he thought was the good of the German people.


Go ahead sig this dumbass.

her mistake -- drinking too much

his mistake -- drinking too much and raping an unconscious woman. according to the swedes who caught him and called the police, he tried to run away as soon as they found him. so he could think and act somewhat clearly, and he wasnt entirely wasted.

 

[Xlad]

Hope Bubba makes a victim out of him. Wait, add his father and also the judge for making a piss poor sentence.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I've seen worse.