Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNaruto

[Naruto X Hunter]

Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNaruto

Hello beautiful people from all over the world. It's been awhile since i've been here - December 31, i remember that day was when non-premuim members had the opportunity to change their names. I didn't realize i wanted a new name until the next day though. Oh well.

Anyway i'm here now to speak of the new content of the series. It's pretty lengthy. Don't comment unless you read it fully, and perhaps read the other comments in the thread before making your own so i don't have to repeat myself.

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Superb new Naruto material. Sasuke’s fighting an Ōtsutsuki member in the manga and anime. One as a Teen with both arms but Swordless, and new to his Tomoe Rinnegan. Having no time to train to develop, and master all his new abilities, or even have knowledge of them, and the other as an Adult with one arm, whom is fully equiped with his Sword, and has mastery of the Tomoe Rinnegan.


In the anime Kaguya is facing off against her best descendants, her super great great great etc Grandbabies Sasuke, & Naruto. Luckily for her Sasuke was very new to the Tomoe Rinnegan, so the ass whooping she received from him was kept to a minimum. This also greatly benefited Naruto later, saving his life.

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Luckily for Naruto, against Kaguya he had 9 Bijuus helping him out, hence why Sasuke made sure to shut these beast down before fighting him. He wanted to face Naruto, not Naruto plus 8 additional Bijuu aside from his own, 9 including the other half of the Kyuubi.

R.I.P Sasuke’s Sword – The anime covered the moment where Kaguya transported them to her Lava dimension, thus marking the moment where Sasuke conveniently lost his Sword which he could have easily used to kill Naruto in the Final Battle thus attaining the 5-0. Kaguya similarly to Naruto could have faced certain defeat if Sasuke used it on her, more on that later.

In the Manga Sasuke’s facing Kinshiki, a man who is significantly larger than him, has two arms, and wielding multiple weapons, yet he easily counters him with Kenjutsu alone.

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This guy gets it. 2:03-2:13.

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We know Naruto was lucky that Sasuke conveniently lost his sword that he had/used in every battle he had since the start of Part Two over the course of Hundreds of chapters/several years, but Kaguya was aswell.

Naruto – At the beginning of their battle Sasuke teleported behind him and easily hit him with Chidori despite his sensory ability. If he had his Sword then instead of using Chidori he could have pierced Naruto through the chest/heart for an instant kill.

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Damn, that buttom panel. It’s like he’s just toying with The Strongest Shinobi in History, whom has far more battle experience/experience as a Shinobi than him.

Madara survived due to the achieving immortality from absorbing the Shinjuu Tree.

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And ofcourse later on - they fought in Taijutsu for a whole day, able to land many punches and kicks on each other. Clearly having his sword would have been very effective. It's undeniable. His punches and kicks harm Naruto yet his Sword wouldn't? He's able to punch and kick him all day yet wouldn't have been able to slash him with it even once?

Lol

Kaguya – As he later did with our boy Naruto, Sasuke teleported behind her and attempted to hit her with Chidori. Kaguya was forced to switch from the gravity dimension to the core dimension so she could become fast enough to avoid him.

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She narrowly escaped having a Chidori pierced through her chest.

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Hell, maybe he was aiming for her head considering she’s immotal.
But if he had his Sword, given it’s length, it would have reached her before she was able to dodge. Other than aiming for her head, considering he knows that she, like Madara, is immortal, he likely wouldn’t attempt to pierce her through the heart, but instead slash her in half.

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Or maybe he would have just sliced her horn off like Kinshiki.

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Additionally, i like how quickly/easily Momoshiki absorbed the Hachibi/Bee’s Bijuu Bomb.

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4th panel.

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It really gives Naruto the edge over Kaguya of being lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegans’ abilities during their battle.

He learned about Preta Path from seeing both Madara and Kaguya absorb his Amaterasu.

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Apparently Naruto thinks it’s better to stand there and do nothing whilst Madara was reviving himself, rather than attack.

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He was basically fully aware of it from Madara, considering he only used it on Kaguya as a distraction to give Naruto an opening so he could get close too her, launch his multiple naked male jutsu (which he spent his time working on inbetween Part One and Two during his 2 and a half years of “training” whilst Sasuke was learning Powerful Epic Badass jutsu like Dragon flame and Kirin

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), and potentially land a hit on her.

But seeing Kaguya absorb it further showed him that it was the Rinnegans’ ability.


Unlike Naruto, Sasuke didn’t have instant mastery/knowledge of all his new abilities.

4th databook, “Universal Comprehension of All Things”

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Hence why he was able to give Kakashi a brand new eye, and levitate.

It’s likely that at the time he wouldn’t be able to perform the same feat Momo did because he was new to it, hence why he didn’t absorb all of Naruto’s Ninjutsu during their battle, only using it at the end to steal the chakra the Kyuubi gathered for Naruto because he was too busy fighting Sasuke to do it himself.

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Just like earlier with the Bijuus chakra. Sasuke attained chakra on his own whereas Naruto had the Kyuubi do it for him. Imagine if he had all the Beast helping him.

His Preta Path after the war should be way different.

 

[Dissonant Values]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Why does this read like a tacky Orson Wells skit?

OT: plot-shield negs sasuke whether or not he has both arms

 

[Shruikan]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Welcome back bro!

I aint reading the new manga though.The art is too bad for me to even consider reading it

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Why does this read like a tacky Orson Wells skit?

OT: plot-shield negs sasuke whether or not he has both arms

Great counter argument. R.I.P Naruto.

Welcome back bro!

I aint reading the new manga though.The art is too bad for me to even consider reading it

Thanks.

 

[Dissonant Values]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Great counter argument. R.I.P Naruto.

I suppose the easiest way to look at this is Naruto's establised combat history.

Whether or not Sasuke had full mastery of his Rinnegan is moot since we already know Naruto has the ability to unwittingly understand and manipulate any ability...Sasuke at most can only use his Rinnegan abilities a few times before they begin to drain him...

Most importantly though, we know Naruto has never gone 'all out' against Sasuke with intent to kill whereas the latter has tried to kill Naruto multiple times...consider if Naruto used his chakra reserves for hyper offense instead of drawing out the fight to save a friend.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

I suppose the easiest way to look at this is Naruto's establised combat history.

Whether or not Sasuke had full mastery of his Rinnegan is moot since we already know Naruto has the ability to unwittingly understand and manipulate any ability...

Most importantly though, we know Naruto has never gone 'all out' against Sasuke with intent to kill whereas the latter has tried to kill Naruto multiple times...consider if Naruto used his chakra reserves for hyper offense instead of drawing out the fight to save a friend.

Lol the Kyuubi himself noted how Sasuke being new to the Rinnegan worked in their favor. I posted the page. Here it is again.

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Naruto didn't go all out yet he had the Kyuubi gather all the Natural Energy aboveground, which he combined with his own chakra to create Senjutsu to further power himself up, then used his strongest technique, and afterwards had to rely on Taijutsu for a whole day considering he had no chakra left.

Great logic.


If Sasuke wasn't restricted from ulitilizing his abilities to his full advantage, and or had his sword which he had/used in every one his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years, then conveniently lost it before fighting Naruto. Then Naruto would be dead.

By the way, i added in some more info while you were reading so you missed the second part about how having his sword which he conveniently lost before the battle would have been very effective, "And ofcourse later on - they fought in Taijutsu for a whole day, able to land many punches and kicks on each other. Clearly having his sword would have been very effective. It's undeniable. His punches and kicks harm Naruto yet his Sword wouldn't? He's able to punch and kick him all day yet wouldn't have been able to slash him with it even once?

Lol"

Yet you claim Sasuke had plot shield.

He really did have his sword in every other battle since the start of Part 2, then lost before fighting Naruto, got a new one afterwards and continued to use it in each battle. I listed them here.

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[To Whatever]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Naruto X Hunter. Why do you make these threads with full knowledge that Sasuke is not the titular character of the series.

If a goddess could not defeat the concept of Naruto succeeding in the end. What is a teenager's mastery over a eyeball and a metal stick going to do.

Naruto wins because he's Naruto.
Sasuke fails because he conflicts with Naruto but only when fighting Naruto directly.

X can resist Y

Y can resist X

But X wins in the end because Y may be able to evenly match him but cannot overcome what X is.

X is simply more important and has to succed.

It is not luck that Y did not have experience or a sword. Y would lose in the end even if Y defeated X like before In Vote 1. Y would not kill X and have a change of heart. X would still win.

In any scenario X wins Because X is more important.
A prophetical entity that shapes the world to X's outcome. X is a Main character. And Y is not.

 

[Dissonant Values]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Lol the Kyuubi himself noted how Sasuke being new to the Rinnegan worked in their favor. I posted the page. Here it is again.

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Naruto didn't go all out yet he had the Kyuubi gather all the Natural Energy aboveground, which he combined with his own chakra to create Senjutsu to further power himself up, then used his strongest technique, and afterwards had to rely on Taijutsu for a whole day considering he had no chakra left.

Great logic.


If Sasuke wasn't restricted from ulitilizing his abilities to his full advantage, and or had his sword which he had/used in every one his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years, then conveniently lost it before fighting Naruto. Then Naruto would be dead.

By the way, i added in some more info while you were reading so you missed the second part about how having his sword which he conveniently lost before the battle would have been very effective, "And ofcourse later on - they fought in Taijutsu for a whole day, able to land many punches and kicks on each other. Clearly having his sword would have been very effective. It's undeniable. His punches and kicks harm Naruto yet his Sword wouldn't? He's able to punch and kick him all day yet wouldn't have been able to slash him with it even once?

Lol"

Yet you claim Sasuke had plot shield.

He really did have his sword in every other battle since the start of Part 2, then lost before fighting Naruto, got a new one afterwards and continued to use it in each battle. I listed them here.

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I'm guessing you're a non-native English speaker and that's why you misunderstood. Kurama states

"Sasukes visual prowess has weakened."

This means that after using his Rinnegan only once, it got significantly weaker. It's a taxing Jutsu to use.

In the panel after Kurama warns against Sasuke absorbing Naruto's Jutsu with the Preta Path...but while he can absorb Jutsu with the Preta Path he CANNOT use his own Jutsu at the same time.

Think of Kamui's phasing ability. When Obito attacks, his body solidifies. In order for Sasuke to attack he needs to switch from the Preta Paths absorbtion. That's what he meant.

Now, I'm not going to deny Sasukes skill in Kenjutsu. Mifune himself stated that Sasuke showed prodigious talent with a sword...but other than the absurd amount of sound ninja and all the white zetsu, who has Sasuke actually killed with his sword? Danzou, Orochimaru, Itachi are killed in other manners despite Sasuke having the Kusanagi Blade...

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Naruto X Hunter. Why do you make these threads with full knowledge that Sasuke is not the titular character of the series.

If a goddess could not defeat the concept of Naruto succeeding in the end. What is a teenager's mastery over a eyeball and a metal stick going to do.

Naruto wins because he's Naruto.
Sasuke fails because he conflicts with Naruto but only when fighting Naruto directly.

X can resist Y

Y can resist X

But X wins in the end because Y may be able to evenly match him but cannot overcome what X is.

X is simply more important and has to succed.

It is not luck that Y did not have experience or a sword. He would lose in the end even if Y defeated X like before he would not kill X and have a change of heart. X would still win.

In any scenario X wins Because he is more important.

Basically you're saying Sasuke didn't kill Naruto because happy ending story purposes. I know that. My point isn't who would win, clealy it's Sasuke. I'm just asking who was more lucky that Sasuke wasn't at his best.

I'm guessing you're a non-native English speaker and that's why you misunderstood. Kurama states

"Sasukes visual prowess has weakened."

This means that after using his Rinnegan only once, it got significantly weaker. It's a taxing Jutsu to use.

In the panel after Kurama warns against Sasuke absorbing Naruto's Jutsu with the Preta Path...but while he can absorb Jutsu with the Preta Path he CANNOT use his own Jutsu at the same time.

You should know full well that by posting that page i was only referring to the buttom two panels.

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The other part is irrelevant to my point. Again, the Kyuubi himself pointed out the capabilities Sasuke had with Preta Path at the time due to being new to the Rinnegan. If he had experience then he COULD do that.

Think of Kamui's phasing ability. When Obito attacks, his body solidifies. In order for Sasuke to attack he needs to switch from the Preta Paths absorbtion. That's what he meant.

Yeah, only because he was new to the Rinnegan.

Now, I'm not going to deny Sasukes skill in Kenjutsu. Mifune himself stated that Sasuke showed prodigious talent with a sword...but other than the absurd amount of sound ninja and all the white zetsu, who has Sasuke actually killed with his sword? Danzou, Orochimaru, Itachi are killed in other manners despite Sasuke having the Kusanagi Blade...

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Bad logic. Amaterasu hasn't killed anyone. That doesn't mean that it's not a top tier technique. It's so quick that the Raikage, the fastest man alive at the time needed to fully power up to become quick enough to evade it. And due to it being inextinguishable he had to chop off his hand to avoid burning to death. He had to fully power up to evade it and sacrafice a limb just to touch Sasuke whom was shielded by the flames. This man is one of the strongest shinobi in history.

This jutsu alone one shots most people.

Given the situation, it's clear that Sasuke could have easily killed Naruto if he had his Sword.

 

[Dissonant Values]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Basically you're saying Sasuke didn't kill Naruto because happy ending story purposes. I know that. My point isn't who would win, clealy it's Sasuke. I'm just asking who was more lucky that Sasuke wasn't at his best.

But he didnt win...or was that hyperbole?

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Basically you're saying Sasuke didn't kill Naruto because happy ending story purposes. I know that. My point isn't who would win, clealy it's Sasuke. I'm just asking who was more lucky that Sasuke wasn't at his best.

Your point is who is more lucky.

Perhaps it's you.

Had Sasuke not been crippled by such overwhelming, monumental, soul crushing odds.

(I mean a genius prodigy like Sasuke not having instantaneous mastery over something he gained mere hours ago!? What nonsense! And his sword you say!? The fabled sword that cut down many Samurai and plant men and pierced the might hull that is Madara and Naruto. What tragedy!)

You, Naruto X Hunter could not sit here and make such a well constructed argument about how an eye and a sword would make the difference and how lucky it is that the Main Character and Big Bad did not have to suffer its wrath.

And it is rightly so that I could not sit here and tell you that despite having that he would still have loss to Naruto. Using the logic that having his reserves multuliplied and attaining a new Suasnoo outweighs a sword and eye mastery.

Yes, you are a very lucky man.

 

[Warlocks]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

You people still think that sasuke is weak without sword smh

 

[NextGenNinja]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Sasuke was nerfed against naruto but kaguya was far more nerfed in that fight.

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Sasuke was nerfed against naruto but kaguya was far more nerfed in that fight.

I agree sir! A new Suasnoo and having your reserves multuliplied are only a inconveniencent nuance!

compared to that sword and him not instantly learning all there is about his eye he was nerfed so heavily. If only Naruto was not a main character! Damn him I say!

 

[NextGenNinja]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

I agree sir! A new Suasnoo and having your reserves multuliplied are only a inconveniencent nuance!

compared to that sword and him not instantly learning all there is about his eye he was nerfed so heavily. If only Naruto was not a main character! Damn him I say!

Literally no reason why sasuke didn't enter naruto's mind genjutsu both him and kurama. Then use coreless CT on them. Hell, coreless CT is enough since naruto's body would become the core itself.

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

Literally no reason why sasuke didn't enter naruto's mind genjutsu both him and kurama. Then use coreless CT on them. Hell, coreless CT is enough since naruto's body would become the core itself.

I agree again sir! Why couldn't of he entered his mind and genjutsu'd them both! A genius assertion from you, dear user. There is literally no reason. It is as if Naruto has some form of defense against it. But he does not! Not one defense! There is none, nope, nuh-uh. Why did he not simply do that!

Coreless CT! Excellent follow up! It is strange that he used coreless ct a mere 9 times on such pitiful beasts. Using it a 10th time would merely cause Sasuke to break a sweat from using his eye and a tiny sweat at best!

Argh kishimoto vexes me so. Damn Naruto!

With such compellinglycompellingly arguments, sound logic and reasoning the only excuse is plot.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

I agree Sasuke was nerfed against Naruto but kaguya is too OP for both of them combined, her nerf is real.

Welcome back btw.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

I agree again sir! Why couldn't of he entered his mind and genjutsu'd them both! A genius assertion from you, dear user. There is literally no reason. It is as if Naruto has some form of defense against it. But he does not! Not one defense! There is none, nope, nuh-uh. Why did he not simply do that!

Coreless CT! Excellent follow up! It is strange that he used coreless ct a mere 9 times on such pitiful beasts. Using it a 10th time would merely cause Sasuke to break a sweat from using his eye and a tiny sweat at best!

Argh kishimoto vexes me so. Damn Naruto!

With such compellinglycompellingly arguments, sound logic and reasoning the only excuse is plot.

Your sarcasm is neither funny nor amusing. Put up an actual argument or stop quoting me you cuck.

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

I agree Sasuke was nerfed against Naruto but kaguya is too OP for both of them combined, her nerf is real.

Welcome back btw.

No! Sasuke was clearly nerfed. Read the op. Kaguya would have been defeated by the series' excalibur. Naruto even more so!

Your sarcasm is neither funny nor amusing. Put up an actual argument or stop quoting me you cuck.

An acutal argument!? What argument could I have against such a well worded and painstakingly detailed explanation on how genjutsu and coreless CT defeats him.

It is simply impossible. If only your fortress of logic had even the tiniest hairline fracture that maybe i could combat it.

But alas, I agree.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa

But he didnt win...or was that hyperbole?

The point is logically he should have.

Your point is who is more lucky.

Perhaps it's you.

Had Sasuke not been crippled by such overwhelming, monumental, soul crushing odds.

(I mean a genius prodigy like Sasuke not having instantaneous mastery over something he gained mere hours ago!? What nonsense! And his sword you say!? The fabled sword that cut down many Samurai and plant men and pierced the might hull that is Madara and Naruto. What tragedy!)

You, Naruto X Hunter could not sit here and make such a well constructed argument about how an eye and a sword would make the difference and how lucky it is that the Main Character and Big Bad did not have to suffer its wrath.

And it is rightly so that I could not sit here and tell you that despite having that he would still have loss to Naruto. Using the logic that having his reserves multuliplied and attaining a new Suasnoo outweighs a sword and eye mastery.

Yes, you are a very lucky man.

I didn't say that he should have had mastery of it. I was just pointing out that unlike Naruto, he didn't recieve instant mastery of his abilities. Clearly this effected both of their performances.

All you're doing is using outside reasonings. I'm using in story reasonings.

You people still think that sasuke is weak without sword smh

No, he could of killed Naruto with or without mastery of the Rinnegan and without a Sword. For this thread specifically, i'm just speaking of how things would be if he had both.

Sasuke was nerfed against naruto but kaguya was far more nerfed in that fight.

I don't think she was nerfed. She just wanted to get all their chakra at first so she didn't go for the kill.

Literally no reason why sasuke didn't enter naruto's mind genjutsu both him and kurama. Then use coreless CT on them. Hell, coreless CT is enough since naruto's body would become the core itself.

HAHAHAHA, that's one of the many ways Sasuke could have killed Naruto. I didn't want to mention too many in this thread alone, but i'll cover this since you mentioned it already.

At the beginning of Part two, 3 Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke easily went inside Naruto’s mind and surpressed the Kyuubi’s power. 6 Tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke should still be able to do that. Nothing says otherwise. So if he for some illogical reason can’t capture the Kyuubi in Genjutsu from the outside, he should from the inside. Once he’s in Naruto’s mind he can shut the Kyuubi down in 3 ways,

1) Surpress his power
2) Absorb his Chakra
3) Cast Genjutsu on him

If he does any of these then Naruto wouldn’t have enough power to challenge him. The most efficient method would be to cast Genjutsu on the Kyuubi then absorb his chakra. He would be eliminating a big part of Naruto’s powersource, and powering himself up at the same time. Logically, Sasuke can easily defeat Naruto.

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I agree again sir! Why couldn't of he entered his mind and genjutsu'd them both! A genius assertion from you, dear user. There is literally no reason. It is as if Naruto has some form of defense against it. But he does not! Not one defense! There is none, nope, nuh-uh. Why did he not simply do that!

He doesn't have any counter to Sasuke entering his mind again.

I agree Sasuke was nerfed against Naruto but kaguya is too OP for both of them combined, her nerf is real.

Welcome back btw.

Thanks, but you gotta admit that his sword would have reached her in that moment.

Your sarcasm is neither funny nor amusing. Put up an actual argument or stop quoting me you cuck.

I know right.

No! Sasuke was clearly nerfed. Read the op. Kaguya would have been defeated by the series' excalibur. Naruto even more so!


An acutal argument!? What argument could I have against such a well worded and painstakingly detailed explanation on how genjutsu and coreless CT defeats him.

It is simply impossible. If only your fortress of logic had even the tiniest hairline fracture that maybe i could combat it.

But alas, I agree.

I never said Sasuke alone would defeat her. I just stated the ass whooping she recieved from him in would have been greater if he had more experience with the Rinnegan and or had his Sword.