Kidomaru and SRA Neji Vs SRA Choji , Lee , Shikamaru , Jirobo , Tayuya , and Hinata.

[The Arizen]

Location: Forest.

Distance: 100m

Intel; Manga

Ic

 

[Observer]

How is this not a stomp for team 2?

edit: just saw that location of the battle is forest. then team 1 might have some chances, but still not significant in my eyes.

 

[NarutoX28]

In such a location, Kidoumaru and Neji possess a great advantage as their own abilities allows them to effectively make use of the forest, but Team 2 benefits greatly through having Hinata, Chouji literally has Food Pills that greatly enhances his strength, Lee has the Fifth Gates which his devastating with either of the duo along with Tayuya and Jirobo with extra support.

Considering Tayuya and Jirobo have manga knowledge, they would do anything to prevent Kidoumaru from keeping his distance while ensuring that they keep their distance from Neji considering they knew about Jyuuken since Kidoumaru did. With that, Chouji and Lee would keep Neji occupied as they have more intel on his techniques than Jirobo and Tayuya and would overwhelm him as 5th Gate Lee alone is too much for Neji.

Shikamaru isn't needed other than outlining a plan for Team 2 essentially.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Team 2 stomp

 

[The Arizen]

In such a location, Kidoumaru and Neji possess a great advantage as their own abilities allows them to effectively make use of the forest, but Team 2 benefits greatly through having Hinata, Chouji literally has Food Pills that greatly enhances his strength, Lee has the Fifth Gates which his devastating with either of the duo along with Tayuya and Jirobo with extra support.

Considering Tayuya and Jirobo have manga knowledge, they would do anything to prevent Kidoumaru from keeping his distance while ensuring that they keep their distance from Neji considering they knew about Jyuuken since Kidoumaru did. With that, Chouji and Lee would keep Neji occupied as they have more intel on his techniques than Jirobo and Tayuya and would overwhelm him as 5th Gate Lee alone is too much for Neji.

Shikamaru isn't needed other than outlining a plan for Team 2 essentially.

The fight starts 100m aprt and this is SRA Lee meaning no gates higher than what he demonstrated , he has his sake bottle tho.

 

[neosmith500]

Considering Tayuya and Jirobo have manga knowledge, they would do anything to prevent Kidoumaru from keeping his distance while ensuring that they keep their distance from Neji considering they knew about Jyuuken since Kidoumaru did. With that, Chouji and Lee would keep Neji occupied as they have more intel on his techniques than Jirobo and Tayuya and would overwhelm him as 5th Gate Lee alone is too much for Neji.

How does base choji who has to take his pills one at a time and base lee keep neji occupied? also neji has intel on hinata's blindspot and kidomaru is literally a true ninja when it comes to quickly setting up traps in a forest that can easily exploit that and with his third eye he's gonna see team2 long before they see team1 which means hinata's blindspot is gonna get exploited.

Starting 100m apart kidomaru can summon a almost unlimited amount of baby spiders to lay out in the trees and cover different areas of the forest , he can also set sensor webs , and traps to which team1 can use to lure the enemies into.
If one byakugan user spots the other then its safe to assume that both would be aware of the other simultaneously to which team1 can now exploit the blindspot using kidomaru to easily take out hinata first.

Tayuya and jirobo tho they have intel can do ntn to hinder kido in a forest where he can remain outside the range of her sound gen and snipe the duo while simultaneously remaining hidden.

No way is team2 winning this imo.

Team 2 stomp

Nope , how?

 

[NarutoX28]

How does base choji who has to take his pills one at a time and base lee keep neji occupied? also neji has intel on hinata's blindspot and kidomaru is literally a true ninja when it comes to quickly setting up traps in a forest that can easily exploit that and with his third eye he's gonna see team2 long before they see team1 which means hinata's blindspot is gonna get exploited.

Starting 100m apart kidomaru can summon a almost unlimited amount of baby spiders to lay out in the trees and cover different areas of the forest , he can also set sensor webs , and traps to which team1 can use to lure the enemies into.
If one byakugan user spots the other then its safe to assume that both would be aware of the other simultaneously to which team1 can now exploit the blindspot using kidomaru to easily take out hinata first.

Tayuya and jirobo tho they have intel can do ntn to hinder kido in a forest where he can remain outside the range of her sound gen and snipe the duo while simultaneously remaining hidden.

No way is team2 winning this imo.

To be honest, I'm going to start with a simple response just because I'm too lazy to respond as it's almost midnight here.

I feel as if you're underestimating Team 2. You discuss about how Neji has knowledge on Hinata's blind-spot and Kidoumaru's traps can literally subdue Team 2 when Team 2, with Hinata, certainly has intel on Neji's abilities including Neji's blind-spot, has Tayuya and Jirobo who has knowledge on Kidoumaru's traps, and has Shikamaru and Hinata who can properly judge the situation and perceive the traps thanks to Hinata's insight.

Honestly, I don't even think through portrayal that Kidoumaru was even on a level that could handle both Jirobo and Tayuya. Actually, Kidoumaru himself was considered only to be above Jirobo, so Tayuya could be more or less on the same level with him. With Jirobo's support, Kidoumaru shouldn't be capable of defeating either one. If Kidoumaru does attack, Jirobo should be capable of setting up a Doton defense while Tayuya constantly applies pressure through her summons, ghosts, and Sound Genjutsu which means Kidoumaru would be preoccupied with evading everything the duo has to offer rather than molding chakra to cast ninjutsu.

That's my input though. I'll likely give a more in-depth response tomorrow.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

How does base choji who has to take his pills one at a time and base lee keep neji occupied? also neji has intel on hinata's blindspot and kidomaru is literally a true ninja when it comes to quickly setting up traps in a forest that can easily exploit that and with his third eye he's gonna see team2 long before they see team1 which means hinata's blindspot is gonna get exploited.

Starting 100m apart kidomaru can summon a almost unlimited amount of baby spiders to lay out in the trees and cover different areas of the forest , he can also set sensor webs , and traps to which team1 can use to lure the enemies into.
If one byakugan user spots the other then its safe to assume that both would be aware of the other simultaneously to which team1 can now exploit the blindspot using kidomaru to easily take out hinata first.

Tayuya and jirobo tho they have intel can do ntn to hinder kido in a forest where he can remain outside the range of her sound gen and snipe the duo while simultaneously remaining hidden.

No way is team2 winning this imo.




Nope , how?

Hinata can see far they neji and so zero sneak attack and with shikamaru can stop neji with shadows bind the forest has to many shadows.

Hinata and the other can jump kido

 

[neosmith500]

I feel as if you're underestimating Team 2. You discuss about how Neji has knowledge on Hinata's blind-spot and Kidoumaru's traps can literally subdue Team 2 when Team 2, with Hinata, certainly has intel on Neji's abilities including Neji's blind-spot, has Tayuya and Jirobo who has knowledge on Kidoumaru's traps, and has Shikamaru and Hinata who can properly judge the situation and perceive the traps thanks to Hinata's insight.

Wheres ur proof to back this baseless claim? , neji only started discovering and learning about his blindpot near to the sra while hinata has no such knowledge unless u bring manga scan like i am.

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Kishi literally illustrated to us exactly when neji learned about his blindspot.

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Kidomaru easily sees through 70m+ worth of trees and counting as if they aren't even there meaning he easily detect team2 long before they see him.

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The fight starts 100m apart , hinata is gonna get her blindpot shot without knowledge that she even has such a blindspot in the first place.

Most of wat ur saying doesn't even take into account the 100m distance team1 has , jirobo and tayuya having intel is irrelevant when they dont and wont ever know kido's location , even shikamaru was capable of escaping tayuya's Los and remain hidden , launching attacks while hidden simultaneously. Kido already at a distance would literally make short work of them both by attacking without them ever knowing his location many meters apart in a thick forest of trees.

Honestly, I don't even think through portrayal that Kidoumaru was even on a level that could handle both Jirobo and Tayuya. Actually, Kidoumaru himself was considered only to be above Jirobo, so Tayuya could be more or less on the same level with him. With Jirobo's support, Kidoumaru shouldn't be capable of defeating either one. If Kidoumaru does attack, Jirobo should be capable of setting up a Doton defense while Tayuya constantly applies pressure through her summons, ghosts, and Sound Genjutsu which means Kidoumaru would be preoccupied with evading everything the duo has to offer rather than molding chakra to cast ninjutsu.

Kidomaru was portrayed way above jirobo and he's essentially the perfect counter to tayuya herself as he can also he included into shikamaru's analogy here only kido is much superior to kiba and neji in that aspect.

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Kido kills them both in the forest without difficulty , ur jumping over the fact that they start 100m apart givin kidomaru ample time to spot them , killing hinata first through her blindspot and from there the match is over.

Lol at jirobo setting up a doton wall in time when it canonically got pierced by choji wearing a couple of kunai , kido rips through that shit and negs jirobo if he does.

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Since every person on team2 has inferior reactions to neji they all get sniped through their blindspots without a shadow of doubt , kido is also much smarter than tayuya/jirobo and will exploit the crap outa them with the distance and intel he has on them.

Hinata can see far they neji and so zero sneak attack and with shikamaru can stop neji with shadows bind the forest has to many shadows.

Hinata and the other can jump kido

Hinata gets sniped through her blindpot , shikamaru wont catch a speedy neji with shadowbind before kido plants a arrow in the base of his skull , neji wont even get directly involved until a neg plan is made between him and kido.

Team1 literally stomps this , hinata will be the first to die.

 

[Icelerate]

Hinata and Tayuya are key for team 2 to have a winning chance. Hinata is the only sensor in team 2 whereas both members of team 1 can find their opponents in a forest. The only characters who have long ranged attacks are Tayuya and Kidomaru.

Tayuya will end up using sound genjutsu faster than Kidomaru uses his arrows due to her feisty attitude compared to Kido's tendency to toy around and also because it is faster to blow a flute than shoot an arrow.

Whenever Neji and Kido break the genjutsu, Hinata can tell when the genjutsu is broken so she can instruct Tayuya to reuse the genjutsu whenever it is broken putting team 1 in a vicious cycle. This allows the rest of team 2 to get to team 1 and finish them.

 

[neosmith500]

Tayuya will end up using sound genjutsu faster than Kidomaru uses his arrows due to her feisty attitude compared to Kido's tendency to toy around and also because it is faster to blow a flute than shoot an arrow.

Kido wont play around with people he knows has intel and can kill him like tayuya+jirobo and with neji there to fill him in on how dangerous/usefull the others are , this wont be a problem at all , he only plays with people weaker than himself and isn't dumb.

Starting 100m aprt , they're outside the range of tayuyas genjutsu and with kido having intel he sees and snipes her before she randomly decides to play her flute.
Shikas plan was to retreat with temari outside the range of her sound gen , tayuya cant instantly catch kido/neji at any range and they already start outside her range while kido can clearly see them through many meters worth of tress.

The sound of the arrow instantly mowing down multiple trees can also distort the sound gen.

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[Icelerate]

Kido wont play around with people he knows has intel and can kill him like tayuya+jirobo and with neji there to fill him in on how dangerous/usefull the others are , this wont be a problem at all , he only plays with people weaker than himself and isn't dumb.

Okay.

Starting 100m aprt , they're outside the range of tayuyas genjutsu and with kido having intel he sees and snipes her before she randomly decides to play her flute.
Shikas plan was to retreat with temari outside the range of her sound gen , tayuya cant instantly catch kido/neji at any range and they already start outside her range while kido can clearly see them through many meters worth of tress.

Tayuya retreated far from Shikamaru and Temari yet was going to use sound genjutsu on them. Also Madara and Hashirama can

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. Jiroubo can simply erect a dome and place Tayuya in it to protect her long enough for her to play her flute. Moreover, Chouji can use his expansion jutsu to become big enough to protect Tayuya long enough.

The sound of the arrow instantly mowing down multiple trees can also distort the sound gen.

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It can but Kido won't be able to tell when exactly the sound waves are coming until he hears them but that will be too late (

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[neosmith500]

Okay.

Tayuya retreated far from Shikamaru and Temari yet was going to use sound genjutsu on them. Also Madara and Hashirama can

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. Jiroubo can simply erect a dome and place Tayuya in it to protect her long enough for her to play her flute. Moreover, Chouji can use his expansion jutsu to become big enough to protect Tayuya long enough.

Yea , but only if they came closer to her , which they didn't need to due to temari blowing her away with KKM the same way kido would with his arrow.

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This is the reason why shika noted that their best course of action was to retreat as that counters tayuya's sound gen and its also why tayuya herself said "If they come this way , Then with my genjutsu..."

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Kido can simply bust right through jirobo's dome , killing tayuya.

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His earth walls are ntn compared to the power of kido's arrows , ntn at all

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He can also likely block his ear holes usin his golden fluid which can make literally anything to fit the situation or with the fluid used to create his webs , given his smarts he would no doubt anticipate and plan ahead in preparation for her genjutsu which requires sound.

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Choji uses expansion jutsu and gets his balls deflated by kido's arrow and taken out of the fight or shot in the head while team1 retreats.

It can but Kido won't be able to tell when exactly the sound waves are coming until he hears them but that will be too late (

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He doesn't need to hear the sound waves to deduce her location since he can see her clearly through the forest while simultaneously keepin out of range and out of their awareness scope.

 

[The Arizen]

Neo Vs Ice :klaus: Interesting.:flakez:

NarutoX28 after Neos counter = :drip:

unknownvillain1254 be like

 

[Icelerate]

He can also likely block his ear holes usin his golden fluid which can make literally anything to fit the situation or with the fluid used to create his webs , given his smarts he would no doubt anticipate and plan ahead in preparation for her genjutsu which requires sound.

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Okay with this I concede. Kidomaru solos.

 

[The Arizen]

How is this not a stomp for team 2?

edit: just saw that location of the battle is forest. then team 1 might have some chances, but still not significant in my eyes.

Your eyes are insignificant :Sparks::th:

 

[neosmith500]

Okay with this I concede. Kidomaru solos.

Yea even if sakon/ukon/kangkuro were added to the team kido/neji still win , rashomon is great and all but kido can literally bend his arrows around it aided by neji's insight atop his own , really a great team.

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If u really think about it kidomaru hard counters the whole sound fours abilities , golden armor can protect kido from tayuya along with sakon/ukons CM2 merging ability , web fluid literally negs them.

two golden ear-plugs for neji and the team is set , then proceeds to take out hinata , they literally stomps this imo.

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[NarutoX28]

Wheres ur proof to back this baseless claim? , neji only started discovering and learning about his blindpot near to the sra while hinata has no such knowledge unless u bring manga scan like i am.

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Kishi literally illustrated to us exactly when neji learned about his blindspot.

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Fair enough. I assumed that Hinata would've been aware of it through normal usage of the Byakugan such as analyzing that there strangely was one spot she couldn't see, but if Neji didn't even notice it until further training, then I agree, Hinata isn't aware of it. Even then, it's irrelevant because none of Team 2's attacks can simply reach only within his blind-spot, so it really makes no difference.

I'm confused, how can Neji exploit Hinata's blind-spot? I'm not sure how he could without Kidoumaru's help, but it's not as if Hinata is alone and through my strategy, she merely acts as support.

Kidomaru easily sees through 70m+ worth of trees and counting as if they aren't even there meaning he easily detect team2 long before they see him.

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Which doesn't make sense considering Hinata's Byakugan mitigates that. Quite frankly, every ninja can see through 70m even when there's some trees obstructing their view somewhat. Kidoumaru didn't really do what you're suggesting since his vision cannot penetrate through trees, so his vision is more or less similar to Team 2's. The only difference is that he can focus on his target more effectively, but that's really it. His vision isn't comparable to the Byakugan's and it can't penetrate through trees.

The fight starts 100m apart , hinata is gonna get her blindpot shot without knowledge that she even has such a blindspot in the first place.

Most of wat ur saying doesn't even take into account the 100m distance team1 has , jirobo and tayuya having intel is irrelevant when they dont and wont ever know kido's location , even shikamaru was capable of escaping tayuya's Los and remain hidden , launching attacks while hidden simultaneously. Kido already at a distance would literally make short work of them both by attacking without them ever knowing his location many meters apart in a thick forest of trees.

How? 100m is a large distance.

Wrong. Hinata can fix on Kidoumaru's position at all times, so Jirobo and Tayuya will be aware of it and regardless, Jirobo can destroy trees with his Doton fissures and physical strength while Tayuya corners him through her summons and her ghost which will prevent Kidoumaru from molding chakra for ninjutsu which mitigates any advantage Kidoumaru might have while Jirobo accomplishes his task. Tayuya not being able to track Shikamaru really doesn't mean anything taking into consideration what Jirobo can do to the environment and the fact that Hinata acts as proper support for this. Why're you forgetting Hinata here?

Kidomaru was portrayed way above jirobo and he's essentially the perfect counter to tayuya herself as he can also he included into shikamaru's analogy here only kido is much superior to kiba and neji in that aspect.

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Kidoumaru and Tayuya were both portrayed as Jirobo's superior. If anything, they were depicted as roughly equals. Shikamaru's analogy implied that those who blend in with their environment can perform well against Tayuya, not that they have any sort of advantage like Orochimaru does against Jiraiya.

Kido kills them both in the forest without difficulty , ur jumping over the fact that they start 100m apart givin kidomaru ample time to spot them , killing hinata first through her blindspot and from there the match is over.

Lol at jirobo setting up a doton wall in time when it canonically got pierced by choji wearing a couple of kunai , kido rips through that shit and negs jirobo if he does.

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How is Kidoumaru suddenly chucking a large ass arrow that'll somehow reach her blind-spot?

In-context means that Kidoumaru will attempt to toy with his opponent, not simply chuck large ass arrows and snipe them one by one. That's simply not his fighting style.

I was suggesting Jirobo should use Doton Walls to halter any spider webs and simple projectiles he used. It certainly wasn't to halter the arrow, but it could potentially alter it's trajectory. You also have to take into consideration that he wasn't using the Cursed Seal along with the fact that Fodder Shinobi during the War Arc could summon massive Doton Walls, so if he had wanted to, especially with CS2, he'd certainly be capable of amassing a powerful defense against Kidoumaru's attacks, potentially enough to alter it's trajectory.

Since every person on team2 has inferior reactions to neji they all get sniped through their blindspots without a shadow of doubt , kido is also much smarter than tayuya/jirobo and will exploit the crap outa them with the distance and intel he has on them.

Neji was weakened and as I said before, Kidoumaru starting off with sniping each one, one by one is out of context.

Hinata gets sniped through her blindpot , shikamaru wont catch a speedy neji with shadowbind before kido plants a arrow in the base of his skull , neji wont even get directly involved until a neg plan is made between him and kido.

Team1 literally stomps this , hinata will be the first to die.

A speedy Neji with 1 Gated Lee and Chouji amplified by Food Pills? Potentially. Chouji and Shikamaru possesses far more synergy than Kidoumaru and Neji, so the likelihood of Shikamaru being able to capture Neji is higher and actually, Neji's Kaiten is rendered useless since he's forced to stay stationary, so he has no counter to Chouji's attacks at all simply because his fighting style revolves around gentle taps which isn't enough to resist Chouji's momentum.

 

[NarutoX28]

Okay with this I concede. Kidomaru solos.

Susano'o can't even block out sound waves, so Kidoumaru's fluids might not. Quite frankly, losing hearing in itself is a pretty big disadvantage.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Okay with this I concede. Kidomaru solos.

Lol, what? You really think Kidomaru is soloing here? The team safely travels underground towards Kidomaru's location via Jirobo's doton and Hinata's Byakugan. He has zero chance at handling all of them once they all emerge within close quarters.