Did Sasuke really break Tsukuyomi?

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

It was meant when two ninja has enough of skill in their chakra control. What you are refering to is a low version of Naruto when he is even lacking to control his own chakra thanks to the Kyubii. You are saying Naruto has much more chakra but he doesnt have the control over all of it yet. Just like a tap water has access to all the underground water but it can only produce a small amount at a time.

You're wrong. In fact Naruto was a Master of chakra control, because according to Kakashi you have to Master chakra control to learn Futon RasenShuriken.

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Even surpassing Kakashi at Chakra Control. Even with the Kyuubi so no the Kyuubi did not Stop Naruto from mastering Chakra Control.

Naruto couldnt break it simply because you need someone else to regulate your chakra, Chiyo never said that she was talking about low chakra control people, Unless you have the sharingan or a partner you will lose to Sharingan Genjutsu,

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

To break out of genjutsu you need to use more power to disrupt the chakra flow
thats how you break out of genjutsu flat out.

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Sauke has less chakra then the bijus realy? the one who had half of the hagoromo power and its able to slice ten tails madara has less chakra then the bijus?i dont think so.


That obito was enhanced with hashirama cells witch is fundamental in controling kurama.

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not forgetting that even in if you only have one basic sharingan your chakra will still become more potent after awakning the mangekyo

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Also Since Tsukuyomi takes place in only a Second in real time you cant break it since it is not possible to break it unless you can break genjutsu in a split second which is impossible.

Stop using that Jiraiya scan, he was talking about REGULAR GENJUTSU. If you are hit with REGULAR GENJUTSU you can overpower it by regulating YOUR OWN CHAKRA.

Like Chiyo Explained the Sharingan is DIFFERENT you can not break it like a normal genjutsu. You need a partner or a Sharingan to break it. If you are alone then their is no hope.

That is exactly why Naruto couldnt break it.

Also you are dumb if you think Sasuke has more chakra than the Biju otherwise Sasuke would have as much chakra as Naruto and we all know that Sasuke has a lot of Chakra but no where near Naruto.

 

[Aznkidd]

You're wrong. In fact Naruto was a Master of chakra control, because according to Kakashi you have to Master chakra control to learn Futon RasenShuriken.

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Even surpassing Kakashi at Chakra Control. Even with the Kyuubi so no the Kyuubi did not Stop Naruto from mastering Chakra Control.

Naruto couldnt break it simply because you need someone else to regulate your chakra, Chiyo never said that she was talking about low chakra control people, Unless you have the sharingan or a partner you will lose to Sharingan Genjutsu,

So Naruto has futon rasen shuriken the time he got finger genjutsued ....

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i suggest you read the manga again :lol

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[Dantee]

He broke it. Time distortion is advantageous for people outside of Tsukuyomi. Inside the realm where Itachi controls, he can make a moment in real life time last a few days in Tsukuyomi. That stops any outside interference with the jutsu however Itachi said only one who can beat the jutsu Uchiha, same blood as me. Sasuke fulfilled every requirement and broke out.

 

[baul 24]

why did itachi need to be serious when he was the one orchestrated everything and the tsukuyomi he used looked like weak one like sasuke's which used against killerbee as he was not manipulating time when he is done explaining uchiha history and started fighting.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

So Naruto has futon rasen shuriken the time he got finger genjutsued ....

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i suggest you read the manga again :lol

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You still fail to read.

I was making a point that Kurama did not stop Naruto from learning chakra control, and that you cant use "Naruto when he is even lacking to control his own chakra thanks to the Kyubii" as an excuse because Naruto's chakra control is fine.

The fact is that Rasengan takes chakra control of the "Highest Level" proving that Kurama did NOT interfere with his chakra control.

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Naruto had amazing chakra control against Itachi, but chakra control doesnt break Genjutsu from a Sharingan.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

He broke it. Time distortion is advantageous for people outside of Tsukuyomi. Inside the realm where Itachi controls, he can make a moment in real life time last a few days in Tsukuyomi. That stops any outside interference with the jutsu however Itachi said only one who can beat the jutsu Uchiha, same blood as me. Sasuke fulfilled every requirement and broke out.

The amount of Psychological Damage sustained within Tsukuyomi dictates the amount of physical damage that is replicated.

So if you sustain 3 days worth of torture then you will feel 3 days worth of torture.

If Itachi would have chosen to use the same amount of damage as he inflicted on Kakashi it would be a different outcome. Sure Sasuke would have broke it but not without Susataining immobilizing damage, and that would defeat the purpose of Itachi letting Sasuke win.

My point is that YES Sasuke broke it(Because he meets the requirements) but it wasn't fully powered.

 

[Detonator99]

Stop using that Jiraiya scan, he was talking about REGULAR GENJUTSU. If you are hit with REGULAR GENJUTSU you can overpower it by regulating YOUR OWN CHAKRA.

LOL show me a scan f jiraya saiying that its for "regular genjutsu" i would love to see it... He meant stritcly it was mean to break out of genjutsu doesnt said witch kind.

Like Chiyo Explained the Sharingan is DIFFERENT you can not break it like a normal genjutsu. You need a partner or a Sharingan to break it. If you are alone then their is no hope.

The sharingan it is no diferent Sasuke in cm2 break out of it, danzou was also capeble of break out of it, what matters its how strong is your chakra.

That is exactly why Naruto couldnt break it.

Naruto could not break out of it becouse he wasnt strong enough at that point, back then naruto even asked to jiraya "what if it doesnt work?" meaning what if my chakra isn't strong enough thats when jiraya said that h would need of the help of someone to disrupt the flow.

Also you are dumb if you think Sasuke has more chakra than the Biju otherwise Sasuke would have as much chakra as Naruto and we all know that Sasuke has a lot of Chakra but no where near Naruto.

This goes to show that you pretty much never bodered about the power scalling in naruto Lol,i guess by your logic the bijus are far more powerfull then ten tails madara.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

LOL show me a scan f jiraya saiying that its for "regular genjutsu" i would love to see it... He meant stritcly it was mean to break out of genjutsu doesnt said witch kind.


The sharingan it is no diferent Sasuke in cm2 break out of it, danzou was also capeble of break out of it, what matters its how strong is your chakra.


Naruto could not break out of it becouse he wasnt strong enough at that point, back then naruto even asked to jiraya "what if it doesnt work?" meaning what if my chakra isn't strong enough thats when jiraya said that h would need of the help of someone to disrupt the flow.


This goes to show that you pretty much never bodered about the power scalling in naruto Lol,i guess by your logic the bijus are far more powerfull then ten tails madara.

You are getting really annoying so allow me to solo you real quick.

In the DataBook it said that Kuranei has Genjutsu skills that are only surpassed by Itachi and Kishimoto gave her a 5/5 in Genjutsu. The highest stat possible. Basically she was a Master Genjutsu user.

BUT GUESS WHAT. She still had to keep her eyes closed because no matter how good you are at Genjutsu you can not break Sharingan genjutsu without a Sharingan. Thats why ONLY Kakashi kept his eye open.

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So Jiraiya was not talking about Sharingan Genjutsu because Sharingan Genjutsu can not be broken by Stopping your chakra flow.

 

[Detonator99]

You are getting really annoying so allow me to solo you real quick.

In the DataBook it said that Kuranei has Genjutsu skills that are only surpassed by Itachi and Kishimoto gave her a 5/5 in Genjutsu. Basically she was a Master Genjutsu user.

BUT GUESS WHAT. She still had to keep her eyes closed because no matter how good at Genjutsu you are you can not break Sharingan genjutsu without a Sharingan. Thats why ONLY Kakashi kept his eye open.

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So Jiraiya was not talking about Sharingan Genjutsu because Sharingan Genjutsu can not be broken by Stopping your chakra flow.

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LOL solo what? Kurenai its 5/5 at casting genjutsu but that doesnt mean she will be able break out of every genjutsu becouse she doesnt have a strong chakra.

I lost interest in debating with you already, Every one above Cm2 sasuke if skilled with genjutsu can break out of itachi tsukuyomi its a fact

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[Uchiha boii]

That whole fight is controversal if you ask me itachi in my opinion made sure sasuke was at least close to his power in order to make sure he would be fine on his own

Itachi wouldnt let a sasuke who could get soloed by deidara beat him yet he had to make sasuke at least strong enough to fight him and believeably win as well

When it comes down to tsukiyomi the requirements to break it are being from the same bloodline and poessesing the sharingan sasuke has both so technically he should be able to break a full powered one however itachi may hav held back slightly but in the end rinnegan sasuke breaks tskuyomi easily so this is irrelevant

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

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LOL solo what? Kurenai its 5/5 at casting genjutsu but that doesnt mean she will be able break out of every genjutsu becouse she doesnt have a strong chakra.

I lost interest in debating with you already, Every one above Cm2 sasuke if skilled with genjutsu can break out of itachi tsukuyomi its a fact

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Yeah she cant break Genjutsu thats why Kishi gave her a 5/5. Kishi > Your opinion.

Chakra Capacity has nothing to do with Breaking Genjutsu. To break a Sharingan Genjutsu you need a Partner or a Sharingan. I'm tired of explaining that to you.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

That whole fight is controversal if you ask me itachi in my opinion made sure sasuke was at least close to his power in order to make sure he would be fine on his own

Itachi wouldnt let a sasuke who could get soloed by deidara beat him yet he had to make sasuke at least strong enough to fight him and believeably win as well

When it comes down to tsukiyomi the requirements to break it are being from the same bloodline and poessesing the sharingan sasuke has both so technically he should be able to break a full powered one however itachi may hav held back slightly but in the end rinnegan sasuke breaks tskuyomi easily so this is irrelevant

I agree to an extent. The truth is. The fight was Itachi testing Sasuke's potential. Sasuke can break Tsukuyomi. But a full powered Tsukuyomi would still immobilize him even if he breaks it, it doesnt reverse the damage dealt.

 

[Detonator99]

Yeah she cant break Genjutsu tahts why Kishi gave her a 5/5. Kishi > Your opinion.

Chakra Capacity has nothing to do with Breaking Genjutsu. To break a Sharingan Genjutsu you need a Partner or a Sharingan. I'm tired of explaining that to you.

Lol just a sharingan you say? is that why kakashi got genjutsued by itachi?, itachi stritcly said only an uchiha can break out of the genjutsu becouse they have strong chakra, even later then sasuke needed the help of his curse mark seal (witch gave him a far more powerfull chakra) to break out of itachi tsukuyomi.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Lets just keep it real....

At that point.... Itachi neg wrecked Sasuke.

Simple tings teh truth is teh truth.

 

[Aznkidd]

You still fail to read.

I was making a point that Kurama did not stop Naruto from learning chakra control, and that you cant use "Naruto when he is even lacking to control his own chakra thanks to the Kyubii" as an excuse because Naruto's chakra control is fine.

The fact is that Rasengan takes chakra control of the "Highest Level" proving that Kurama did NOT interfere with his chakra control.

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Naruto had amazing chakra control against Itachi, but chakra control doesnt break Genjutsu from a Sharingan.

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The more you talk the more stupid it sound :lol

Naruto by passed the rule by out smart the tech with making another clone to shaping it while he pumps out chakra. It was clearly that he didnt manage to having good chakra control over all of his chakra yet. It took he so many hours of training with thousand clones training method to just able to learn the incomplete rasen shuriken. Yet you provide the manga scan that taken place quite long time after the incident of our conversation and say the thing from above :lol
Even when Naruto is trying to learn Sage mode, Kurama still interfered and did not allow Pa to infuse with Naruto. Pain arc say it clear that Kurama tempt Naruto into breaking the seal so he can fully taking over but failed later. You should also learn Pa lesson too :lol

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Lol just a sharingan you say? is that why kakashi got genjutsued by itachi?, itachi stritcly said only an uchiha can break out of the genjutsu becouse they have strong chakra, even later then sasuke needed the help of his curse mark seal (witch gave him a far more powerfull chakra) to break out of itachi tsukuyomi.

I said "To break a Sharingan Genjutsu you need a partner or a Sharingan"

I was talking about Sharingan Genjutsu not Tsukuyomi those are two different things.

To break Sharingan Genjutsu you do need a partner or Sharingan, To break Tsukuyomi you need to have Uchiha blood.

2 different things.

And where does it say that the Curse Mark helped him break Itachi's Genjutsu? Right, it doesn't.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

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The more you talk the more stupid it sound :lol

Naruto by passed the rule by out smart the tech with making another clone to shaping it while he pumps out chakra. It was clearly that he didnt manage to having good chakra control over all of his chakra yet. It took he so many hours of training with thousand clones training method to just able to learn the incomplete rasen shuriken. Yet you provide the manga scan that taken place quite long time after the incident of our conversation and say the thing from above :lol
Even when Naruto is trying to learn Sage mode, Kurama still interfered and did not allow Pa to infuse with Naruto. Pain arc say it clear that Kurama tempt Naruto into breaking the seal so he can fully taking over but failed later. You should also learn Pa lesson too :lol

Stop it. Kakashi stated that Naruto had Chakra control of the absolute highest level. Naruto got negged. Without the Sharingan he couldnt break his Genjutsu no matter how good your chakra control is.

Manga Facts > Your opinion.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Lets just keep it real....

At that point.... Itachi neg wrecked Sasuke.

Simple tings teh truth is teh truth.

:sdo3:

 

[~Ethereal~]

Sasuke did breaked tsukuyomi becouse itachi wanted to completly drain sasuke chakra so that orochimaru could be released and them sealed, so if itachi did had a far more powerfull version of tsukuyomi he would have used it in order to sasuke use more chakra and it would save him the fight.

And, that's the correct answer.