Did Sasuke really break Tsukuyomi?

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

I was wondering, the Tsukuyomi was considered unbreakable, until Sasuke's fight with Itachi. And now it is just an assumed fact that Tsukuyomi doesn't work on Sasuke. But that is contradicted much more by the manga than it is supported.

First see what Danzo and Obito had to say about the fight.

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Keep in mind the fact that Itachi, was not trying to kill or defeat Sasuke, he was only trying to "Push him to the edge" so to speak, he set up every single part of the fight to go the way he wanted.

Now with that Said, let's compare the Tsukuyomi he used on Sasuke to the Tsukuyomi he used on Kakashi in P1 and consider what Danzo says.

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Here Danzo stated Specifically that MS Sasuke was Still far below Itachi, but he stated something else very important. That Itachi was much better because he could Control Time with Genjutsu.

Now look at the Tsukuyomi he used on Kakashi!

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Here Itachi and Asuma state that Tsukyomi last 3 days but happens in an "INSTANT" in real life.

Now look closely at the Tsukuyomi he used on Sasuke. You will see that Itachi didn't use the same Tsukuyomi.

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Kabuto was rushing straight towards them with Orochimaru, and Itachi used Tsukuyomi, to free Sasuke from Sound Genjutsu.(It was only a few seconds in the dream world rather than 3 days). So Itachi can Choose how strong he wants his Tsukuyomi to be, from a few seconds to 3 Whole days.

If you pay attention to the Zetsu during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight you will see that they were watching them for a while(Proving that Itachi didn't control time and that it was weaker than the one used on Kakashi). Itachi made the Genjutsu on Sasuke Much weaker than the Genjutsu on Kakashi on purpose, because like Obito and Danzo said. Itachi Let sasuke win. If Itachi would have used a full power Tsukuyomi it would have been over for Sasuke but that isn't what he wanted to do!

 

[HashiraMadara]

No he didn't, The whole fight was a plot :| plotted by Itachi

 

[Gerkak]

He did but itachi held back a lot. Itachi barely distorted time in the illusion making it much weaker as you said.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

No he didn't, The whole fight was a plot :| plotted by Itachi

Yeah according to Obito. I wanted to hear some counter arguments just to get opinions but not that many people on right now ;0

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

He did but itachi held back a lot. Itachi barely distorted time in the illusion making it much weaker

Yeah I believe he distorted time by only about maybe 3 minutes. Which is technically 1,440 times weaker than the one used on Kakashi lmao.

 

[Detonator99]

Sasuke did breaked tsukuyomi becouse itachi wanted to completly drain sasuke chakra so that orochimaru could be released and them sealed, so if itachi did had a far more powerfull version of tsukuyomi he would have used it in order to sasuke use more chakra and it would save him the fight.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Sasuke did breaked tsukuyomi becouse itachi wanted to completly drain sasuke chakra so that orochimaru could be released and them sealed, so if itachi did had a far more powerfull version of tsukuyomi he would have used it in order to sasuke use more chakra and it would save him the fight.

Tsukuyomi doesnt drain chakra. And you have no magafacts just stop.

 

[Aznkidd]

Tsukuyomi doesnt drain chakra. And you have no magafacts just stop.

he meant Tsukuyomi is a strong genjutsu and it requires alot of chakra for the user, same to the opponent, he needs at least same amount of chakra or higher to break out of it.

 

[Detonator99]

Tsukuyomi doesnt drain chakra. And you have no magafacts just stop.

I dint said that tsukuyomi drains chakra i said in order to release yourself from it does

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Thats the way of cancealing the genjutsu besides the need of the bijus

so it depends at how strong your is chakra, naruto tried that but he failed becouse he wasnt strong enough at that moment

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But sasuke after getting in CM2 his chakra was strong enough to disrupt the chakra flow and cancel the genjutsu

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meaning everyone with far more power then CM2 chakra can break out of tsukuyomi.

 

[Berkenstiel]

He broke it. But the justu wasn't being used to its highest capacity


I mean what would itachi do if he used full power and it accidentally killed sasuke.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

I dint said that tsukuyomi drains chakra i said in order to release yourself from it does

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Thats the way of cancealing the genjutsu besides the need of the bijus

so it depends at how strong your is chakra, naruto tried that but he failed becouse he wasnt strong enough at that moment

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But sasuke after getting in CM2 his chakra was strong enough to disrupt the chakra flow and cancel the genjutsu

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meaning everyone with far more power then CM2 chakra can break out of tsukuyomi.

Chakra Disruption and Chakra draining are two different things.

To break free of regular genjutsu you need to STOP your chakra flow.

To break free from Basic Sharingan Genjutsu you need a Partner to REGULATE your chakra flow

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Also breaking Genjutsu has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Chakra Capacity

For example. Sasuke has less Chakra than all of the Biju. Yet the Biju can not break his Genjutsu.

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Obito used Basic Sharingan Genjutsu to control Kurama even though Kurama has more chakra than him.

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Also Since Tsukuyomi takes place in only a Second in real time you cant break it since it is not possible to break it unless you can break genjutsu in a split second which is impossible.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

He broke it. But the justu wasn't being used to its highest capacity


I mean what would itachi do if he used full power and it accidentally killed sasuke.

That's my point. Sasuke did break Tsukuyomi, but it wasn't a full powered Tsukuyomi.

Even the Tsukuyomi that was used on Kakashi wasn't full power. And we know this because Itachi didnt want to kill a fellow shinobi.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

he meant Tsukuyomi is a strong genjutsu and it requires alot of chakra for the user, same to the opponent, he needs at least same amount of chakra or higher to break out of it.

Chakra Capacity means nothing. Otherwise Naruto could have broken Basic Finger Genjutsu.

Naruto has 4 times for chakra than Itachi and couldnt break it.

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[HENI]

How many times do we have to discuss this bs? Sasuke broke it. Databook said so.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

How many times do we have to discuss this bs? Sasuke broke it. Databook said so.

I know Sasuke broke it. If you would read you would understand that isn't what I am talking about.

 

[Styles]

Tsukuyomi doesnt drain chakra. And you have no magafacts just stop.

Tsukuyomi does drain chakra all MS jutsu's drain chakra. Even in part one Itachi was tired from using Tsukuyomi and then Amaterasu a few moments later.

OT Those scans about Sasuke not seeing threw Itachi I don't think it was the genjutsu but his facade the way he acted the part acting like he wanted Sasuke's eyes and was the bad guy.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Tsukuyomi does drain chakra all MS jutsu's drain chakra. Even in part one Itachi was tired from using Tsukuyomi and then Amaterasu a few moments later.

OT Those scans about Sasuke not seeing threw Itachi I don't think it was the genjutsu but his facade the way he acted the part acting like he wanted Sasuke's eyes and was the bad guy.

Dude. Read carefully before posting.

I never said Itachi's Sharingan doesn't cost him Chakra, I said it doesnt drain chakra from the Victim or Target.

Detonator said that it drains chakra, but he made a mistake and meant it takes chakra to break it. Which he is correct about. And then he said that if you have a lot of chakra you could break it and I proved that wrong.

 

[Aznkidd]

Chakra Capacity means nothing. Otherwise Naruto could have broken Basic Finger Genjutsu.

Naruto has 4 times for chakra than Itachi and couldnt break it.

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It was meant when two ninja has enough of skill in their chakra control. What you are refering to is a low version of Naruto when he is even lacking to control his own chakra thanks to the Kyubii. You are saying Naruto has much more chakra but he doesnt have the control over all of it yet. Just like a tap water has access to all the underground water but it can only produce a small amount at a time.

 

[Styles]

Dude. Read carefully before posting.

I never said Itachi's Sharingan doesn't cost him Chakra, I said it doesnt drain chakra from the Victim or Target.

Detonator said that it drains chakra, but he made a mistake and meant it takes chakra to break it. Which he is correct about. And then he said that if you have a lot of chakra you could break it and I proved that wrong.

:sdo: My bad. Though I think he kinda meant Itachi and Sasuke's genjutsu battle drains chakra from them well a prolonged genjutsu fight.

 

[Detonator99]

Chakra Disruption and Chakra draining are two different things.

To break free of regular genjutsu you need to STOP your chakra flow.

To break free from Basic Sharingan Genjutsu you need a Partner to REGULATE your chakra flow

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To break out of genjutsu you need to use more power to disrupt the chakra flow
thats how you break out of genjutsu flat out.

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Also breaking Genjutsu has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Chakra Capacity

For example. Sasuke has less Chakra than all of the Biju. Yet the Biju can not break his Genjutsu.

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Sauke has less chakra then the bijus realy? the one who had half of the hagoromo power and its able to slice ten tails madara has less chakra then the bijus?i dont think so.

Obito used Basic Sharingan Genjutsu to control Kurama even though Kurama has more chakra than him.

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That obito was enhanced with hashirama cells witch is fundamental in controling kurama.

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not forgetting that even in if you only have one basic sharingan your chakra will still become more potent after awakning the mangekyo

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Also Since Tsukuyomi takes place in only a Second in real time you cant break it since it is not possible to break it unless you can break genjutsu in a split second which is impossible.[/QUOTE]