Rinnegan

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Are you insinuating Hagoromo can't use Susano?

 

[SenseiSama]

And without the chakra of Ashura's transmigrants neither can the Indra's transmigrants.

Chakra isn't enough, Ashura was never born with dojutsu therefore he would need Indra's eyes because Indra is the one with the genes for Rinnegan while Ashura is the one with the genes for Six Path Senjutsu.

Obito had Rikodu chakra and Hashirama cells yet didn't awaken a Rinnegan, that should tell you only the eyes of Indra's transmigrant can evolve into Rinnegan.

I know.

But doesn't that unlock Rikudo Chakra?
Ik what you mean

You can still have Rikudou chakra and not unlock Hagoromo's powers. Example, Madara had Ashura's body and Rinnegan but still needed bijuu to unlock Six Path Senjutsu. If Ashura had Sage chakra it wouldn't be enough to unlock Rinnegan because he was never born with eye power to begin with, therefore he would still required Indra's eyes.

Then why did Black Zetsu go to each transmigrant from Senju and Uchiha to awaken Rinnegan if only Indra's transmigrants can awaken it? OP is right Rinnegan=Hago's chakra or Ashura and Indra's chakra

Because he wanted them to be the Juubi's Jinchuuriki which is the ultimae goal. Either of them can unlock both halves of Hago's powers but they both requires a part of each other's power to do so. Uchiha required Ashura's body and the bijuu while Senju would have required Sharingan and bijuu.

 

[Troyg39]

Because he wanted them to be the Juubi's Jinchuuriki which is the ultimae goal

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You said without Indra's eye you can't get Rinnegan, yet BZ tried to awaken Rinnegan in Ashura's transmigrants too. Why he wanted to awaken it is irrelevant. The point is that either side can do so

You Either of them can unlock both halves of Hago's powers but they both requires a part of each other's power to do so. Uchiha required Ashura's body and the bijuu while Senju would have required Sharingan and bijuu.

You're kind of making stuff up dude. First off, the bijuu aren't needed for the Rinnegan, which again is what we're talking about here. And only Hago's chakra, or the transmigrant's combined chakra can awaken it. Hago mentioned nothing of needing the body or the eye, simply the chakra. And as I said BZ tried to awaken Rinnegan in both transmigrants further suggesting the eye, nor the body is a necessity, just the chakra.

Also that senju/uchiha stuff is crap. They didn't "require" anything because you can't get the Rinnegan just by being a Uchiha or Senju. You need to specifically be a transmigrant to even have a shot. You can't stick Indra's chakra in a random Senju that isn't Ashura's transmigrant and get Rinnegan, nor can you stick Ashura's in a random Uchiha

 

[SenseiSama]

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You said without Indra's eye you can't get Rinnegan, yet BZ tried to awaken Rinnegan in Ashura's transmigrants too. Why he wanted to awaken it is irrelevant. The point is that either side can do so

Yeah BZ tried with Ashura's descendants and then stated he failed. Why do you think he chose Uchiha to carry out the mission ? Because they were the ones with potential to awaken Rinnegan and thus summon the Gedo which would then allow them to be JuubiJin

You're kind of making stuff up dude. First off, the bijuu aren't needed for the Rinnegan, which again is what we're talking about here. And only Hago's chakra, or the transmigrant's combined chakra can awaken it. Hago mentioned nothing of needing the body or the eye, simply the chakra. And as I said BZ tried to awaken Rinnegan in both transmigrants further suggesting the eye, nor the body is a necessity, just the chakra.

I didn't say bijuu were needed for Rinnegan, they were needed for Six Path Senjutsu which is also Hagoromo's power. You can still have his chakra and not awaken his abilities thats what I'm saying.

Obito had Rikudou chakra and Hashirama cells yet failed to awaken Rinnegan, Madara had Hagoromo's chakra and wasn't able to unlock a Rinnegan with other Sharingan he used. That should tell you specific eyes are required in order to unlock the Sage's dojutsu.

Also that senju/uchiha stuff is crap. They didn't "require" anything because you can't get the Rinnegan just by being a Uchiha or Senju. You need to specifically be a transmigrant to even have a shot. You can't stick Indra's chakra in a random Senju that isn't Ashura's transmigrant and get Rinnegan, nor can you stick Ashura's in a random Uchiha

Obito had Ashura's chakra from Hashirama's cells and RIkudou chakra from the JuubiJin, at that point he had the same chakra as Hagoromo hence why I mentioned him as an example. Likewise, Naruto was given Hagoromo's chakra which consists of Indra+ Ashura, yet he didn't awaken a Rinnegan.

Sage chakra doesn't automatically grant Rinnegan, Indra's eyes are needed because Ashura was never born with the genes for dojutsu just like Indra was never born with the genes to awaken Six Path Senjutsu.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Chakra isn't enough, Ashura was never born with dojutsu therefore he would need Indra's eyes because Indra is the one with the genes for Rinnegan while Ashura is the one with the genes for Six Path Senjutsu.

Obito had Rikodu chakra and Hashirama cells yet didn't awaken a Rinnegan, that should tell you only the eyes of Indra's transmigrant can evolve into Rinnegan.

And Obito is relevant to my post how?

 

[Uchiha boii]

Everyone calls it filler but its literally manga fact that

Sharingan turns to mangekyo sharingan which turns to rinnegan or ems

"The sharigans natural progression" the rinnegan is exlusive to an indra transmigrants eyes if a senju who was ashuras transmigrant were to kill and steal the eyes of an indra transmigrant the result would be rinnegan indra + ashura = hagoromo

But not every senju can accomplish this and not every uchiha has the chakara indra transmigrants do so the best way to achieve rinnegan is madaras way

We have never seen eyes evolve after a transplant besides obito and kakashi but that was a special case obito and kakashi both witnessed rinn dying which triggered the transformation

We know from the manga that something needs to happen to awaken the rinnegan having the chakara isnt enough madara was close to death sasuke was also close to death and hagoromo killed hamura (and brought him back i know) so if an ashura transmigrant steals an indra transmigrants eyes theres no gurantee that rinnegan will automatically awaken id imagine the ashura transmigrant would have to witness something devastating or be close to death but would the eyes change at that point? Thats not clear to me because uchiha have special chakara in their brains that triggers their eyes to go through changes while the senju havent been mentioned to have that so in my opinion

The best vessel for awakening a rinnegan is an indra transmigrant who has the chakara in his brain to evolve the dojutsu

Kishi must agree seeing how sasuke and madara are the only ones to AWAKEN the rinnegan besides the sage himself

Nagato could control the rinnegan since he was basically a senju using uchiha powers it worked out well
Although a true owner of the rinnegan is vastly supeior to nagatos own use of it see madara and sasukes chibaku tensei vs nagatos for proof

 

[Troyg39]

Yeah BZ tried with Ashura's descendants and then stated he failed.

False. He stated that even after choosing the Uchiha to manipulate he still went to each clan's transmigrants and failed with both sides. That doesn't mean Ashura's descendants couldn't do it. It means it's not something that's easy to do.

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I didn't say bijuu were needed for Rinnegan, they were needed for Six Path Senjutsu which is also Hagoromo's power. You can still have his chakra and not awaken his abilities thats what I'm saying.

But we're only talking about the Rinnegan so if it's irrelevant why even bring it up?

Obito had Rikudou chakra and Hashirama cells yet failed to awaken Rinnegan

Obito already had a Rinnegan eye, which is Hago's chakra, when he had Rikudou chakra. Nor is he Indra's transmigrants so it wouldn't make sense for him to awaken the Rinnegan before then either just because he had Hashi's cells

Madara had Hagoromo's chakra and wasn't able to unlock a Rinnegan with other Sharingan he used. That should tell you specific eyes are required in order to unlock the Sage's dojutsu

Obito had Ashura's chakra from Hashirama's cells and RIkudou chakra from the JuubiJin, at that point he had the same chakra as Hagoromo hence why I mentioned him as an example. Likewise, Naruto was given Hagoromo's chakra which consists of Indra+ Ashura, yet he didn't awaken a Rinnegan.

Sage chakra doesn't automatically grant Rinnegan, Indra's eyes are needed because Ashura was never born with the genes for dojutsu just like Indra was never born with the genes to awaken Six Path Senjutsu.

Or this could all mean it takes time. Despite inserting Ashura's chakra in him, Madara didn't get Rinnegan until he was nearly dead. Rinnegan doesn't just pop up the instant you get Hago's chakra, it's still a process involved obviously. But what you're saying just sounds like a bunch of stretches. I'm not saying Indra's transmigrants aren't probably better suited for the Rinnegan, clearly they are, just that there's plenty reason to believe there's more to it than needing his eye

 

[Markovko]

So many dumbasses on this forum. OP do you even have slightest logical thinking? All Uchiha awaken Sharingan exactly because they are descendants of Hagoromo (more specifically they have inherited Hagormo's eyes). By your logic, Hyuga clan members can also awaken Rinnegan? Sharingan is just incomplete form of Rinnegan. Madara needed both Sharingan and Senju chakra to awaken it. And unlike Hagoromo, he did not awaken it simple as that.

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

You're still with the Hagoromo's sharingan is filler BS?

Babe FROM SHARINGAN TO MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN TO RENNIGAN. Hagromo in this episode thanked Kaguya for letting him awaken both MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN AND RENNIGAN .
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Kabuto was later debunked by black zetsu in the manga when he said only hagoromos chakra can unlock rinnegan. Try again.

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

Are you insinuating Hagoromo can't use Susano?

Til manga proves this its just fanfic filler. He never even had a sharingan lol that's filler as well.

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

So many dumbasses on this forum. OP do you even have slightest logical thinking? All Uchiha awaken Sharingan exactly because they are descendants of Hagoromo (more specifically they have inherited Hagormo's eyes). By your logic, Hyuga clan members can also awaken Rinnegan? Sharingan is just incomplete form of Rinnegan. Madara needed both Sharingan and Senju chakra to awaken it. And unlike Hagoromo, he did not awaken it simple as that.

No you f*cking idiot. Madara awakened it because he was indra's transmigrant and hashi was asuras transmigrant. Indra + ashura chakra = hagoromos chakra. If you only have one have of the power you can't unlock the full power. You guys are so f*cking dumb it's ridiculous lol. How simple can it be put?

 

[UnknownJin]

This episode was mostly filler but it contained some canon material. Finally, all the imbeciles who say only the sharingan can evolve into the rinnegan can stfu.

Black zetsu confirmed once again that hagoromos chakra= rinnegan. So people like Hamura, hashirama and Naruto can unlock this power. Technically, anyone can unlock the rinnegan all you need is hagoromos six paths chakra or Indra + ashura chakra.

Btw, hagoromo with a susannoo? Lmao studio pierriot is f*cking retarded.

dude... pls its ****ing stupid filler

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

dude... pls its ****ing stupid filler

Some Part of the episode was canon. Dude.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ashura's incarnate cannot obtain this chakra, only indra's incarnate. Also
-Indra, kakashi, and Tobious all had rikudou chakra yet not rinnegan. So the eyes are exclusively for Indra's incarnates and rare among them since Black zetsu failed for like a 1,000 years of Indra incarnates with hagoromoo chakra.

 

[UnknownJin]

Some Part of the episode was canon. Dude.

hmm.. u got the point! Well...

 

[TheSages456]

Hagoromo's chakra was already stated to be the Rinnegan by Hagoromo himself. Obtaining Hagoromo's chakra would mean awakening the Rinnegan.


Not sure why people are talking about Obito and Kakashi when the Six Paths chakra from a Ten Tails' jinchuriki isn't Hagoromo's own Six Paths chakra thus does not contain the Rinnegan's power.
A Ten Tails' jinchuriki and Hagoromo only share the same chakra type which is Six Paths chakra.


Only Madara & Sasuke possess Hagoromo's own unique chakra due to their Rinnegan.

 

[Markovko]

Nice ad hominems, true way of yapping dummies who got nothing else to add besides repeat and blabber mantras.

It is not about Ashura's and Indra's (Hagoromo's) chakra. To get a Rinnegan, one just needs to have dojutsu of Uchiha bloodline and chakra of Senju bloodline. Nowhere it even mentioned in manga, to awaken Rinnegan, you would need Hagoromo's chakra. Madara never received Hagoromo's chakra in first place. And then please, define, what the heck is Hagoromo's chakra anyway? And which Hagoromo's chakra? When he was just guardian without sharingan, no sage power and no tailed beasts? Or one with sharingan and sage power? Or one with awakened Rinnegan?

 

[WalksInShadows]

i don't see what's retarded about the idea of Hagoromo having a Susano'o when him being stated as Izanagi's original user in and of itself means it was very much possible that he had a Sharingan. He wasn't exactly born with those Rinnegan, you know.

1. Obito never had hagoromos chakra.

Obito possessed Hagoromo's chakra the moment he became JJ

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[Darth AniCetuS]

i don't see what's retarded about the idea of Hagoromo having a Susano'o when him being stated as Izanagi's original user in and of itself means it was very much possible that he had a Sharingan. He wasn't exactly born with those Rinnegan, you know.Obito possessed Hagoromo's chakra the moment he became JJ

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Lol...no Obito meant Hagoromo once was the Juubi jin and he's attained the same. Juubi never had Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Til manga proves this its just fanfic filler. He never even had a sharingan lol that's filler as well.

Damn that moment when Sasuke and Indra can do something so simple that their father/forefather can't despite their power stemming from him. I guesd Hagoromo can't use water style either because he displayed no such feats, probably dang even use shinra tensei because he never used it, Can Hagoromo even use rasengan? I don't rememner him using that. Can he beat konohamaru wasn't shown in the manga so I guess Kpnohamaru solos :Sparks: