Naruto Shippuden Episode 462 " Fabricated Past" Discussion

[123fire]

The studio does an excellent job of creating episodes using the authority founded in "benefit of the doubt."
Allow me to explain.

While the anime staff does sometimes change the dialogues in the story to presumably add more content (and this is often why the anime and manga fans have disparaging views of "canon") there are times when they just create filler. And the filler, despite not being in the manga and therefore illegitimate from one point of view, DO fit if one gives the studio the benefit of the doubt.

In today's episode the disputed scene appears to be the defeat of juubi/nine tailed beasts. In the manga it was stated that on his deathbed Hagoromo made the beasts, etc. HOWEVER, this is a story being retold by someone who THEMSELVES was being manipulated and lied to about everything. Black Zetsu lied about the Uchiha tablet, about the nature of the ten tails, and many other things, so the studio is using Black Zetsu currently "telling the true history" to give what they interpret to be a better backstory.

While it was not found in the manga, it COULD be possible if we give Black Zetsu the benefit of the doubt and believe that "everything told by everyone up until now was mythology based on Black Zetsu lies and misinformation. Now the anime is telling us the real truth."

I am personally of the opinion that manga and anime continuities are parallel worlds that are close enough that things play out similarly except for minute differences (Naruto defeating Sandaime with oiroke no jutsu, Haku raikiri THROUGH chest, the current filler stories.) This way, both NARUTO and NARUTO: Shippuden can be enjoyed differently.

What do you think?

Hagoromo never said he CREATED them in his death bed all he did was scatter them across the world... If u don't think so prove by posting a scan

 

[Mari Makinami]

Nine Bijuu Combined = Juubi.

Wrong. Nine Biju + Gedo Mazo = Juubi. Otherwise Naruto would've been a Juubi Jin, which he's not.

 

[123fire]

And apparently nine beasts are the Juubi? I'm starting to think that you're either truly mentally challenged or just a horrible troll. There is literally nothing on these screenshots of what I narrowed with red on the scans I had presented. So, will you post anything to prove your nonsense, or am I just wasting my time with ya boi?

Spoiler

Of course I am, because you can't post shit :lol

Read the narrowed with red carefully before you embarrass yourself once again,



I'm not replying to you again unless you post something relevant, for I've already wasted enough time on your nonsense.

You do know te fusion of the nine tailed beasts is the juubi right? Or rather u started watching naruto from epsidoe 460? Troll is obvious

 

[123fire]

Wrong. Nine Biju + Gedo Mazo = Juubi. Otherwise Naruto would've been a Juubi Jin, which he's not.

Now you're obviously trolling, even in the manga the gedo mazo was in the moon and Hagoromo became a jinchuuriki without it , now by what u said you're contradicting the MANGA

 

[Mari Makinami]

You do know te fusion of the nine tailed beasts is the juubi right? Or rather u started watching naruto from epsidoe 460? Troll is obvious

Except it's not. :| In order for it to fuse into the juubi, it requires them to be sealed inside the Gedo Mazo first. And even if we assumed that Hagoromo sealed them back into the Mazo for some derp reason only you, might friend, would come up with, is that how he's going to raise them and take care for them like he said he is on the screenshot you posted? Obvious troll is obvious.

Now you're obviously trolling, even in the manga the gedo mazo was in the moon and Hagoromo became a jinchuuriki without it , now by what u said you're contradicting the MANGA

Since you have edited your joke of a post I've already rekt:

I've provided the multiple scans which clearly state that Hagoromo sealed the Juubi inside of him. Not 9 beasts. Not anything else. Moreover, we have seen an example of 9 bijuu sealed into 1 person without the Mazo - it's Naruto, and he's not a Juubi Jin.

On the contrary, you haven't posted anything to prove your point. Start making any sense before I simply add you to my ignore list, will ya? :lol

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Right, that's set of questions.
1: Why did Hagoromo awaken Rinnegan? Or MS for that matter, since he knew Hamura was in no danger. Why would he get Rinnegan just from being pissed off, when that's not how it works before
2: What about White Zetsu? This filler shows the IT fodders getting released, but according to BZ they were absorbed by the Gedo Mazo.
3: Why didn't Hagoromo use Sage Mode at any point? He never has the obvious eyeshadow.
4: Indra and Ashura's Mom. Still no identity, since Haori is still dead.
5: Seriously, where did the Yin/Yang Seals come from
6: Where did the Gedo Mazo come from?
7: Why where the chumps released from IT still alive, when Haori was dead?

Why do all villains get a one off opportunity to paralyse the heroes which they always waste? Seriously, how many evil transformations are accompanied by the hero saying "I Can't Move" or something stupid like that.

 

[Darkboy85]

Hmm, this episode was...just ok tbh.

I'm kinda bummed that they didn't take the opportunity to show us more of the fight (something that I was kinda hyped for) but heh, I guess they made up for it (kinda) by making the other half of the episode canon material (I knew they would, be it by the title only).

So, the people she needed an army for turned out to be momo/kin and toneri (not sure about that one though)? Ok, I guess that was neat info to learn.

The art/animation was ok, nothing spectacular but not horrible either (I've seen WAY worse, yes, episode 378, I'm looking at you...).

I will give this episode a 2.5/5. Just average.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Right, that's set of questions.
1: Why did Hagoromo awaken Rinnegan? Or MS for that matter, since he knew Hamura was in no danger. Why would he get Rinnegan just from being pissed off, when that's not how it works before
2: What about White Zetsu? This filler shows the IT fodders getting released, but according to BZ they were absorbed by the Gedo Mazo.
3: Why didn't Hagoromo use Sage Mode at any point? He never has the obvious eyeshadow.
4: Indra and Ashura's Mom. Still no identity, since Haori is still dead.
5: Seriously, where did the Yin/Yang Seals come from
6: Where did the Gedo Mazo come from?
7: Why where the chumps released from IT still alive, when Haori was dead?

Why do all villains get a one off opportunity to paralyse the heroes which they always waste? Seriously, how many evil transformations are accompanied by the hero saying "I Can't Move" or something stupid like that.

Still better than Itachi jumping in the middle of Rasengan and Chidori in Anime filler for no reason and getting himself killed :|

 

[Masterpiece7]

This ep was amazing! 10/10! I loved the story :3
Can't wait for next week, looks like it'll cover 2 chapters.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Wrong. Nine Biju + Gedo Mazo = Juubi. Otherwise Naruto would've been a Juubi Jin, which he's not.

True dat. I actually forgot about the mazou.

I am having to see things in this way: When kishi was writing, as much as we loved what he was doing, there were times when he would write himself into plot holes, asspulls, talk no jutsus, plot no jutsus, and ass loops.

And then he left things there.

Studio Pierrot have made more sense in retelling the story and even adding some depth to kaguyas character, even though kishi was the writer.

From what i remember in the manga, the Gedo Mazou (Husk of the Juubi) was sealed in the Moon and the Juubis Chakra was Sealed within Hagoromo. We were also under the impression Hagoromo was jin of ten tails. But then the whole kaguya explanation was not given to us even then.

Hence why there were Plot Holes.

#AskKishi

SP have done a good job!!

 

[Marin]

Hmm, well I gotta say I liked this episode. :3

We finally got to see who Kaguya is, where she came from, what she needed the army for, what was her goal etc. + we got to see exactly how Hagoromo went about making the Bijuu and the whole BZ retelling of the history was handled very well and really gave a sense of closure as in "this is it - this is truly the final villain".

I can thus proudly say that the anime handled Kaguya better than the manga. While the quality wasn't on the level of the previous 2 episodes, this one's definitely worth seeing. A 4/5 for me.

Next episode is gonna be great too! Bravo SP, bravo! :hooray:

 

[crashbash4e]

Today naruto shippuden episode was amazing i liked it since it had little filler with main canon and next week is canon ep back as well i liked it how they showed extra with main canon to as i explained before heh

 

[YahikoPain16]

5/5 Awesome episode, great soundtrack and the start and the new Kaguya's tracks give a nice atmosphere to Naruto. I enjoyed a lot the last 3 episodes, they were amazing and made us easily understand what happened during Kaguya's era. There is no point arguing about this guys, if Kishimoto will ever release something about this then we will see what is canon and what is not, however till then I guess this is a good enough written story.

 

[123fire]

Right, that's set of questions.
1: Why did Hagoromo awaken Rinnegan? Or MS for that matter, since he knew Hamura was in no danger. Why would he get Rinnegan just from being pissed off, when that's not how it works before
2: What about White Zetsu? This filler shows the IT fodders getting released, but according to BZ they were absorbed by the Gedo Mazo.
3: Why didn't Hagoromo use Sage Mode at any point? He never has the obvious eyeshadow.
4: Indra and Ashura's Mom. Still no identity, since Haori is still dead.
5: Seriously, where did the Yin/Yang Seals come from
6: Where did the Gedo Mazo come from?
7: Why where the chumps released from IT still alive, when Haori was dead?

Why do all villains get a one off opportunity to paralyse the heroes which they always waste? Seriously, how many evil transformations are accompanied by the hero saying "I Can't Move" or something stupid like that.

For them to turn into white zetsu it takes time like what happned in the war no one turned into white zetzu , these people who are freed are still alive inside IT , like how naruto and sasuke freed everyone while still alive

 

[Marin]

Right, that's set of questions.
1: Why did Hagoromo awaken Rinnegan? Or MS for that matter, since he knew Hamura was in no danger. Why would he get Rinnegan just from being pissed off, when that's not how it works before

While the exection of the scene may have been sloppy, there is indeed logic behind him awakening the Rinnengan. First let's look at the Rinnengan in general. At first they told us you get it with Uchiha+Senju mixture. Well we have that in Hagoromo since both clans carry his DNA. That one's checked.

Then we had Sasuke awaken it with the help of Hagoromo's chakra and a death experience. Since Hagoromo already has the perfect chakra needed to awaken it, all it took was apparently an emotional push towards an MS (which would directly go to Rinnengan as the above mixture is already present) which he gained from two things:
- having to kill his mother who he loves greatly
- having to inflict pain on his brother who he loves even more

Even if Hamura didn't die, the emotional engagement was serious therefore, the chakra in his brain was undeniably going wild. (which is exactly what we need for progress in ocular powers)

2: What about White Zetsu? This filler shows the IT fodders getting released, but according to BZ they were absorbed by the Gedo Mazo.

This episode only showed the last wave of people getting released. There has been quite some time since the rituals begun, and the people trapped were used to power the tree. It absorbed them. So, the people from whom these White Zetsus came were all the previous generations sacrificed to the tree.

3: Why didn't Hagoromo use Sage Mode at any point? He never has the obvious eyeshadow.

We didn't really see him fight Kaguya at all tho. We only got a short shot of him in a PS and the only on-screen fight was the one with Hamura, and there was no need to go SM on a brother when you have the main villain to fight after that. (Especially since he spent the tag on reviving his bro.)

4: Indra and Ashura's Mom. Still no identity, since Haori is still dead.

There are other fish in the sea dude. :sdo:

5: Seriously, where did the Yin/Yang Seals come from

The two awakened them much like they did all other jutsues they possess. We don't know much about the seals, besides the fact that Hagoromo gave them to Naruto and Sasuke. If he is able to pass it on to others with no special requirements, I don't see why he couldn't simply mass enough chakra (as the seals are simply a tool for the most powerful CT) and get it naturally.

6: Where did the Gedo Mazo come from?

Gedo is simply Juubi's shell. It was sealed along with Kaguya, and Madara later summoned it after awakening the Rinnengan.

7: Why where the chumps released from IT still alive, when Haori was dead?

Those chumps were unintroduced so it's probable that they simply freed them before it was too late.

Why do all villains get a one off opportunity to paralyse the heroes which they always waste? Seriously, how many evil transformations are accompanied by the hero saying "I Can't Move" or something stupid like that.

Kaguya was taking back their chakra, therefore she needed them alive. Also, she saw her long lost sons in them so it was a greatly emotional moment as even a cold-hearted being like here couldn't help but cry.

 

[123fire]

While the exection of the scene may have been sloppy, there is indeed logic behind him awakening the Rinnengan. First let's look at the Rinnengan in general. At first they told us you get it with Uchiha+Senju mixture. Well we have that in Hagoromo since both clans carry his DNA. That one's checked.

Then we had Sasuke awaken it with the help of Hagoromo's chakra and a death experience. Since Hagoromo already has the perfect chakra needed to awaken it, all it took was apparently an emotional push towards an MS (which would directly go to Rinnengan as the above mixture is already present) which he gained from two things:
- having to kill his mother who he loves greatly
- having to inflict pain on his brother who he loves even more

Even if Hamura didn't die, the emotional engagement was serious therefore, the chakra in his brain was undeniably going wild. (which is exactly what we need for progress in ocular powers)



This episode only showed the last wave of people getting released. There has been quite some time since the rituals begun, and the people trapped were used to power the tree. It absorbed them. So, the people from whom these White Zetsus came were all the previous generations sacrificed to the tree.



We didn't really see him fight Kaguya at all tho. We only got a short shot of him in a PS and the only on-screen fight was the one with Hamura, and there was no need to go SM on a brother when you have the main villain to fight after that. (Especially since he spent the tag on reviving his bro.)



There are other fish in the sea dude. :sdo:



The two awakened them much like they did all other jutsues they possess. We don't know much about the seals, besides the fact that Hagoromo gave them to Naruto and Sasuke. If he is able to pass it on to others with no special requirements, I don't see why he couldn't simply mass enough chakra (as the seals are simply a tool for the most powerful CT) and get it naturally.



Gedo is simply Juubi's shell. It was sealed along with Kaguya, and Madara later summoned it after awakening the Rinnengan.



Those chumps were unintroduced so it's probable that they simply freed them before it was too late.



Kaguya was taking back their chakra, therefore she needed them alive. Also, she saw her long lost sons in them so it was a greatly emotional moment as even a cold-hearted being like here couldn't help but cry.

Omg you're really amazing people just ask questions wirhout knowing that the answers are out there , you just REKED HIM

 

[123fire]

Except it's not. :| In order for it to fuse into the juubi, it requires them to be sealed inside the Gedo Mazo first. And even if we assumed that Hagoromo sealed them back into the Mazo for some derp reason only you, might friend, would come up with, is that how he's going to raise them and take care for them like he said he is on the screenshot you posted? Obvious troll is obvious.



Since you have edited your joke of a post I've already rekt:

I've provided the multiple scans which clearly state that Hagoromo sealed the Juubi inside of him. Not 9 beasts. Not anything else. Moreover, we have seen an example of 9 bijuu sealed into 1 person without the Mazo - it's Naruto, and he's not a Juubi Jin.

On the contrary, you haven't posted anything to prove your point. Start making any sense before I simply add you to my ignore list, will ya? :lol

Im gonna stop replying you're just tooo stupid to argue with

 

[Marin]

Omg you're really amazing people just ask questions wirhout knowing that the answers are out there , you just REKED HIM

Hold on man, I didn't rek anyone. The guy simply asked things he was confused about and I answered. Isn't that the point of asking questions?

No need to get personal.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Im gonna stop replying you're just tooo stupid to argue with

>has no counter arguments to prove his opponent's point wrong

>insults his opponent instead

>cries and runs away

Exactly what I expected from you :bdpf: welcome to my ignore list :lol

 

[Markovko]

Do you even English, bro? I'll believe that you're not trolling right now, and so I'll make it even more simple for you: show me the screenshots of any of these happening in today's episode, and we'll talk. Otherwise my point stands, it remains non canon, and you remain a fapboy in denial.

Good grief, in newest episode, around 14:20, those all 9 tailed beasts which got divided from 10 tails literally goes inside Hagoromo, meaning they are sealed. You are just looking for aesthetics and do not see forest behind trees.