Obama administration issues guidance on transgender access to school bathrooms

[Lightbringer]

For the last time dumbass, their reasoning for them "not being considered mentally ill" is to "prevent discrimination and stigmatization".

Uh no. That wasn't the reason. They were saying it was necessary to change the definition because 1. The term disorder no longer applies and 2. keeping it classified as a disorder would affect them financially.


That's why I consider you an idiot, because you lack basic reading comprehension.

Also again, institutes around the world say that being transgender is not a mental disorder. Do you know what that means? It means that psychologists all over the WORLD say that you are WRRROOOOOOONNNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I already know you're going to dismiss this because you live in a deluded reality.

 

[slimreaper]

Uh no. That wasn't the reason. They were saying it was necessary to change the definition because 1. The term disorder no longer applies and 2. keeping it classified as a disorder would affect them financially.


That's why I consider you an idiot, because you lack basic reading comprehension.

Also again, institutes around the world say that being transgender is not a mental disorder. Do you know what that means? It means that psychologists all over the WORLD say that you are WRRROOOOOOONNNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I already know you're going to dismiss this because you live in a deluded reality.

It's a disorder and again i'll use their own words to prove it


"Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons."


What's the difference between this and a psychopath? The only reason psychopathy causes distress is because it's not socially acceptable to go around killing people.


They are saying these people don't have a problem, society is the problem. When you're problem is having a different mind than the vast majority of society, you have a disorder. It's clear they're doing this to be politically correct.


They also have a section called


"How can I be supportive of transgender family members, friends, significant others"


They aren't biased?

 

[Lightbringer]

It's a disorder and again i'll use their own words to prove it


"Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons."


What's the difference between this and a psychopath? The only reason psychopathy causes distress is because it's not socially acceptable to go around killing people.


They are saying these people don't have a problem, society is the problem. When you're problem is having a different mind than the vast majority of society, you have a disorder. It's clear they're doing this to be politically correct.

OH MY GOD. I ****ing love how you cut off a crucial part of the quote to better fit your own argument.


"A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons."


And you wonder why I always discredit you? You clearly omitted the fact that the distress does not come from their own identity. Their distress comes from external forces such as bullying which leads to other disorders.

So again, being transgender is not a mental disorder.



That's not what they're saying at all. You clearly have no clue of what a psychopath is.

I'm not gonna debate you any longer. It's always the same with you. I provide you with concrete evidence and you get stubborn and then continue to say stupid shit without doing proper research.

 

[slimreaper]

OH MY GOD. I ****ing love how you cut off a crucial part of the quote to better fit your own argument.


"A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons."


And you wonder why I always discredit you? You clearly omitted the fact that the distress does not come from their own identity.



That's not what they're saying at all. You clearly have no clue of what a psychopath is.

I'm not gonna debate you any longer. It's always the same with you. I provide you with concrete evidence and you get stubborn and then continue to say stupid shit without doing proper research.

I cut it off because you already posted it in the last page.


It's not relevant... Their reasoning is still the same, they only have problems because they aren't socially accepted.


This is ****ing hypocritical. It bothers them enough to want to change it, but it doesn't cause them "distress"? How much more proof of bias do you need?


you failed again to address this


They also have a section called


"How can I be supportive of transgender family members, friends, significant others"


They aren't biased? You also never provided the new information they received to make this change. It's a political correctness stunt

 

[Lightbringer]

I cut it off because you already posted it in the last page.


It's not relevant... Their reasoning is still the same, they only have problems because they aren't socially accepted.


This is ****ing hypocritical. It bothers them enough to want to change it, but it doesn't cause them "distress"? How much more proof of bias do you need?


you failed again to address this


They also have a section called


"How can I be supportive of transgender family members, friends, significant others"


They aren't biased?

There is no proof. You're just stubborn and are trying your hardest to make yourself look right.

You cannot be more wrong about a subject and I already answered your questions in previous comments. You just don't know how to read.

You don't know what bias means.

I don't know how many more times I can repeat myself. Psychological organizations around the world, the people who create the psychological facts and studies on this Earth disagree with you.

I don't know why I bothered to debate you when this whole argument ended with my first comment. Learn to accept the fact that you're wrong.

 

[slimreaper]

"Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the
diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology,
it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.”


You can say what you want, they agree with me.



I don't know what bias means?


"prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair."


By having a section called "How can I be supportive of transgender family members, friends, significant others" they are pro transgender. I am not there for they fit the definition of biased


"prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair."


They've chosen a side and are therefore biased.

 

[Lightbringer]

"Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the
diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology,
it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.”


You can say what you want, they agree with me

No they don't and neither does the rest of the world of psychology.

You're just nitpicking, just like you've cut off the other quote to fit your argument.

 

[slimreaper]

No they don't and neither does the rest of the world of psychology.

You're just nitpicking, just like you've cut off the other quote to fit your argument.

Why do they want to remove the connotation that the patient is disordered I wonder? Maybe because they aren't doing their job in being unbiased.

""Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words."


You've got no counter for this statement I win.

 

[Lightbringer]

Why do they want to remove the connotation that the patient is disordered I wonder? Maybe because they aren't doing their job in being unbiased.

""Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words."


You've got no counter for this statement I win.

Yup, you win. You're amazing. Maybe you should write a thesis on it and have it submitted to a psychological institute.

 

[slimreaper]

Yup, you win. You're amazing. Maybe you should write a thesis on it and have it submitted to a psychological institute.

How about you provide the information that they received to change the name.


you can't because there is none it's arbitrary. What do they know now that they didn't know in DSM-4? What scientific discovery was made?

 

[Lightbringer]

How about you provide the information that they received to change the name.


you can't because there is none it's arbitrary. What do they know now that they didn't know in DSM-4? What scientific discovery was made?

Again, you should write a thesis on it and submit it. You obviously know more than every psychological organization in the world combined.

 

[slimreaper]

Again, you should write a thesis on it and submit it. You obviously know more than every psychological organization in the world combined.

See thats where you're wrong. I'm using exactly what they're telling me to beat you. I'm using their own words against you.

 

[Lightbringer]

See thats where you're wrong. I'm using exactly what they're telling me to beat you. I'm using their own words against you.

Yeah except you completely overlooked the fact that I already gave a rebuttal to your statement. That's why you're deluded. You act as if I don't answer your questions, but when I do, you simply just keep repeating yourself. That's when I stop debating you.

Can you give me proof of bias in the psychological organizations around the world? I'll wait.

 

[Phact]

I don't care which bathroom the trans community goes to because i don't use public bathrooms. But i believe that trans-males should not be allowed to play with males and trans-females should not be allowed to play with females in sports such as boxing, MMA, Karate, Football and Rugby.

 

[slimreaper]

Yeah except you completely overlooked the fact that I already gave a rebuttal to your statement. That's why you're deluded. You act as if I don't answer your questions, but when I do, you simply just keep repeating yourself.

Can you give me proof of bias in the psychological organizations around the world? I'll wait.

I already did, they have a section specifically for the support of trans people. that is bias.

 

[Lightbringer]

I already did, they have a section specifically for the support of trans people. that is bias.

I asked for proof against all of the major psychological organizations around the world. Because they all say that being transgender is not a mental disorder.

So you're wrong, like I keep saying.

 

[slimreaper]

I asked for proof against all of the major psychological organizations around the world. Because they all say that being transgender is not a mental disorder.

So you're wrong, like I keep saying.

They are all doing it because they don't want to stigmatize trannies instead of actual scientific reasons like I've been saying.


answer this, if not all trans people are in "distress" how do we know they're trans?

 

[Lightbringer]

They are all doing it because they don't want to stigmatize trannies instead of actual scientific reasons like I've been saying.


answer this, if not all trans people are in "distress" how do we know they're trans?

So you have no proof? Ok. Well that's that then.

Your questions makes no sense.

 

[slimreaper]

So you have no proof? Ok. Well that's that then.

Your questions makes no sense.

then the definition of dysphoria makes no sense.


The quoted reasoning for them changing it to a dysphoria rather than a disorder(besides stigma) is that not all trans people are in distress.


How do we know they're trans if they aren't unhappy with their "gender identity"? The very nature of them feeling the need to change suggests discomfort with their gender.

 

[Lightbringer]

then the definition of dysphoria makes no sense.


The quoted reasoning for them changing it to a dysphoria rather than a disorder(besides stigma) is that not all trans people are in distress.


How do we know they're trans if they aren't unhappy with their "gender identity"? The very nature of them feeling the need to change suggests discomfort with their gender.

Discomfort isn't always distress and neither is dysphoria. Just like being frustrated isn't the same as being angry.

Learn your English language.