About Hagoromo's eyes

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Hagoromo never had the Byakugan though, the base mode Byakugan design is just a normal Otsutsuki eye but the Byakugan powers were solely inherited by Hamura and not by the Sage.

Byakugan and RinneSharingan are two separate dojutsu that were both awakened after Kaguya ate the fruit, each son inherited the chakra genes for separate dojutsu. The Sage had her RinneSharingan genes while Hamura had her Byakugan genes.

And the powers of Kaguya's RinneSharingan were divided as her blood and chakra got more diluted, Hagoromo got a devolved state of her dojutsu in the shape of a Rinnegan while Indra got an ever further devolved state of her dojutsu in the shape of a Sharingan.

The Sharingan was a result of not having Hagoromo's full chakra, Indra had the RinneSharingan genes like the Sage but not the chakra to awaken the same level of dojutsu so as a result he inherited a more degraded version of Kaguya's eye in the form of a new KKG.

Sharingan and Rinnegan are two separate KKG and the Sage only had one. The anime is filler and not canon so Hagoromo having a Sharingan isn't fact but just wishful thinking until author confirms it.

Oooooo. I've learned some thing from you. But @bold Byakugan awakened after eating the fruit. I find that hard to believe since it was never stated in the manga that the fruit awakened the Byakugan, if the anime says it so, then will it be a retcon or a filler??
Another is Momoshiki having the Byakugan firsthand. I think the Byakugan is an innate ability to their kind. And Hagoromo and Hamura naturally inherited it. As for Hagoromo, he might have inherited the mutated Byakugan.

But how can I explain Momoshiki's rinnegan. ish.
 

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Hagoromo never had the Byakugan though, the base mode Byakugan design is just a normal Otsutsuki eye but the Byakugan powers were solely inherited by Hamura and not by the Sage.

Byakugan and RinneSharingan are two separate dojutsu that were both awakened after Kaguya ate the fruit, each son inherited the chakra genes for separate dojutsu. The Sage had her RinneSharingan genes while Hamura had her Byakugan genes.

And the powers of Kaguya's RinneSharingan were divided as her blood and chakra got more diluted, Hagoromo got a devolved state of her dojutsu in the shape of a Rinnegan while Indra got an ever further devolved state of her dojutsu in the shape of a Sharingan.

The Sharingan was a result of not having Hagoromo's full chakra, Indra had the RinneSharingan genes like the Sage but not the chakra to awaken the same level of dojutsu so as a result he inherited a more degraded version of Kaguya's eye in the form of a new KKG.

Sharingan and Rinnegan are two separate KKG and the Sage only had one. The anime is filler and not canon so Hagoromo having a Sharingan isn't fact but just wishful thinking until author confirms it.

Kes emmak sharmouta , anyway u fool stupid filler hater , The sage having a sharingan is now a fact because this is canon not filler
 

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Kes emmak sharmouta , anyway u fool stupid filler hater , The sage having a sharingan is now a fact because this is canon not filler

It was never confirmed canon stop being a butthurt fapper
 

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Uhmmm where did you get the idea that Byakugan appeared after Kaguya consumed the fruit?

Because all dojutsu rely on chakra which she didn't have until after eating the fruit
 

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Because all dojutsu rely on chakra which she didn't have until after eating the fruit

Where. I asked where.
Because Momoshiki also had Byakugan. Doesnt that tell us that Ootsutsukis have Byakugan firsthand.

If you really are a filler hater, then you must have some manga panel to back that up.
 

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Where. I asked where.
Because Momoshiki also had Byakugan. Doesnt that tell us that Ootsutsukis have Byakugan firsthand.

If you really are a filler hater, then you must have some manga panel to back that up.

Momoshiki ate a chakra fruit like Kaguya. Dojutsu powers are non existent without chakra.
 

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Momoshiki ate a chakra fruit like Kaguya. Dojutsu powers are non existent without chakra.

I seee. Still I believe that Byakugan preexisted the chakra fruit. Because how else can Kaguya or Momoshiki knew that the fruit.migjt have granted them power?

That's my opinion
 

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Kes emmak sharmouta , anyway u fool stupid filler hater , The sage having a sharingan is now a fact because this is canon not filler

Except it's not. If he did have a Sharingan, it wouldn't matter as he wouldn't be able to use it along with his Rinnegan like Kaguya and Sasuke can and he'd likely be better at using the Rinnegan anyways.

But I think he didn't have the Sharingan. Sharingan was considered the Eyes of the Uchiha, not the Sage's Eyes.
 

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I seee. Still I believe that Byakugan preexisted the chakra fruit. Because how else can Kaguya or Momoshiki knew that the fruit.migjt have granted them power?

That's my opinion

Meh, honestly, I've heard people claim how the Databook stated that she had the Byakugan before then, but I'm not sure. Logically, that shouldn't be the case, but who knows considering how Madara didn't awaken the Byakugan through the Shinju.
 

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Meh, honestly, I've heard people claim how the Databook stated that she had the Byakugan before then, but I'm not sure. Logically, that shouldn't be the case, but who knows considering how Madara didn't awaken the Byakugan through the Shinju.

I havent heard about the Db claims..
Having an alien identity somehow convinces me that she has originally Byakugan. It's likely true
 

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I havent heard about the Db claims..
Having an alien identity somehow convinces me that she has originally Byakugan. It's likely true

It's possible. The Shinju never exactly gave Madara a Byakugan after all.
 

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I havent heard about the Db claims..
Having an alien identity somehow convinces me that she has originally Byakugan. It's likely true

Otsutuski don't have Byakugan. The Byakugan powers consist of 360 degree vision, gentle fist and telescopic vision all of these feats can't be done without chakra. Byakugan powers were unlocked the same time as RinneSharingan powers.
 

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Otsutuski don't have Byakugan. The Byakugan powers consist of 360 degree vision, gentle fist and telescopic vision all of these feats can't be done without chakra. Byakugan powers were unlocked the same time as RinneSharingan powers.

Maybe let's just leave it as chakra seeing eye no jyuken. Jyuken are Hyuuga exclusive. I think kakashi already said it that Hyuuga developed their own style to gain advantage of the Byakugan or was it Guy?
 

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Come on, don't tell me the fillers really are that bad. The sharingan belongs to Indra and his descendants, not to Hagoromo. Studio Pierrot is producing it's worthless crap again.
 

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Maybe let's just leave it as chakra seeing eye no jyuken. Jyuken are Hyuuga exclusive. I think kakashi already said it that Hyuuga developed their own style to gain advantage of the Byakugan or was it Guy?

Jyuken and Byakugan are part of the same power. When Hyuga use vacuum palm their Byakugan is activated, when Kaguya uses eighty gods vacuum attack she activates her Byakugan.

Hyuga developed gentle fist but that's because Byakugan users automatically inherit the ability to control chakra flow. The special chakra control comes from Hamura's bloodline and he inherited that ability from the "Byakugan half" of Kaguya.
 
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Jyuken and Byakugan are part of the same power without Byakugan you can't block chakra points or use special taijutsu. When Hyuga use vacuum palm their Byakugan is activated, when Kaguya uses eighty gods vacuum attack she activates her Byakugan. Hyuga developed gentle fist but that's because Byakugan users automatically inherit the ability to control chakra flow.

Iknow that they are. Im just saying that Jyuken was devised to use Byakugan effectively in combat. Do you think Momoshiki exercises Jyuken? KAGUYa also displayed some techniques that resembles air palm. But I doubt she uses Byakugan to execute a rather close range fighting style.

That's why I kind of believe that Jyulen is Hyuuga exclusive.. it is also said that they have two kekkei genkais right.
 

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Iknow that they are. Im just saying that Jyuken was devised to use Byakugan effectively in combat. Do you think Momoshiki exercises Jyuken? KAGUYa also displayed some techniques that resembles air palm. But I doubt she uses Byakugan to execute a rather close range fighting style.

That's why I kind of believe that Jyulen is Hyuuga exclusive.. it is also said that they have two kekkei genkais right.

It's not Hyuga exclusive because Kaguya already displayed the ability to block chakra points, what Hyuga basically did was use an ability they inherited from Hamura in order to develop a technique that Kaguya never learned.

If Kaguya wanted to she could easily use Gentle Fist because her descendants developed techniques based on the powers they inherited from her. But she's not a shinobi so as a result her use of her powers were severely limited.

For example, she has all KKG including Sharingan abilities, if she wants she can use Mokuton or 6 Path jutsu or Sharingan techs, but she didn't use either of these because she never took the time to learn about her powers and master her abilities like a shinobi would.

Hyuga developed GF because they lived in a warring era, they had to find a way to make their powers as efficient as possible, in contrast Kaguya was already the most powerful person on the globe and therefore would've gained no interest in developing new techniques in order to be stronger.

All Kaguya knows how to do is use her power in its raw state because she has no mastery over her chakra and abilities. Her chakra fists were vacuum palm at full power and TSB was the use of elements to its full extent.

If she wanted she could have learned Kaiten or taijutsu and even Sharingan jutsu, but because she's not a shinobi she doesn't have the instinct or intelligence to recreate the feats of her descendants.
 

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It's not Hyuga exclusive because Kaguya already displayed the ability to block chakra points, what Hyuga basically did was use an ability they inherited from Hamura in order to develop a technique that Kaguya never learned.

If Kaguya wanted to she could easily use Gentle Fist because her descendants developed techniques based on the powers they inherited from her. But she's not a shinobi so as a result her use of her powers were severely limited.

For example, she has all KKG including Sharingan abilities, if she wants she can use Mokuton or 6 Path jutsu or Sharingan techs, but she didn't use either of these because she never took the time to learn about her powers and master her abilities like a shinobi would.

Hyuga developed GF because they lived in a warring era, they had to find a way to make their powers as efficient as possible, in contrast Kaguya was already the most powerful person on the globe and therefore would've gained no interest in developing new techniques in order to be stronger.k

All Kaguya knows how to do is use her power in its raw state because she has no mastery over her chakra and abilities. Her chakra fists were vacuum palm at full power and TSB was the use of elements to its full extent.

If she wanted she could have learned Kaiten or taijutsu and even Sharingan jutsu, but because she's not a shinobi she doesn't have the instinct or intelligence to recreate the feats of her descendants.

fair enough. all-these stemming from whether Byakugan is a by product of the fruit. Good talk.
now time for another filler next week
 

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Except it's not. If he did have a Sharingan, it wouldn't matter as he wouldn't be able to use it along with his Rinnegan like Kaguya and Sasuke can and he'd likely be better at using the Rinnegan anyways.

But I think he didn't have the Sharingan. Sharingan was considered the Eyes of the Uchiha, not the Sage's Eyes.
Indra wasn't an uchiha... Indra passed it to the uchiha clan indra logically has the sharingan from his father... REKT
 
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