[Discussion] Shichibukai

[chopstickchakra]

Does anyone else think it's weird every Shichibukai wasn't shown with haki? I mean they are supposedly strong pirates/crews used by the government to fight other strong pirate crews that would give their marines too much difficulty to make it worth their time without sending out VA's or higher. If that's the case they should be some of the higher up characters like Mihawk, Doffy and Kuma are portrayed yet the majority were never shown to have Haki. That seems like a bit of a set back if they'd have to fight a crew with Logias in it. Maybe it's just me but it seems odd to consider any of the Shichibukai not having armament haki given their reputations(Buggy excluded) I feel like that should be a qualifier for the Shichibukai title. Thoughts?

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Crocodile: He said himself he focused on his DF powers, to which I believe he has awakened them

Kuma: Hax fruit already, to be fair he was a "tyrant", something tells me he used to be an absolute demon and then Dragon found him and he became some religious disciple or something xD

Gekko Moriah: Doubt he did, he relied on his DF again and also I think he was a Schichibuki because of his presence in the New World, however Kaido soon knocked him down a peg or 2 and the government just let him keep his titile

Jinbe: Has fishman Karate, is a monster, doesn't need haki really.

Buggy: An exception like you said

Boa, Mihawk, Doffy: All haki users

 

[ToshiZO]

How many times does it have to be said? Oda didn't plan Haki properly. The Shichibukai are a result of that.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Crocodile: He said himself he focused on his DF powers, to which I believe he has awakened them

Kuma: Hax fruit already, to be fair he was a "tyrant", something tells me he used to be an absolute demon and then Dragon found him and he became some religious disciple or something xD

Gekko Moriah: Doubt he did, he relied on his DF again and also I think he was a Schichibuki because of his presence in the New World, however Kaido soon knocked him down a peg or 2 and the government just let him keep his titile

Jinbe: Has fishman Karate, is a monster, doesn't need haki really.

Buggy: An exception like you said

Boa, Mihawk, Doffy: All haki users

Does Fishman Karate work on Logia?

Did Moriah have his title when he fought Kaidou?

I know they're all strong in their own right but seeing as they're government dogs essentially it seems unavoidable they'd be sent to deal with some Logias, so how is what I'm getting at. I mean shichibukai is a pretty high seat in the WG really they should be able to face most all challenges their some of the best bar the yonkou.

How many times does it have to be said? Oda didn't plan Haki properly. The Shichibukai are a result of that.

I agree with that also, but there's been plenty enough time to correct it.

 

[ToshiZO]

I agree with that also, but there's been plenty enough time to correct it.

Next time you see them they will all have it. Maybe not Jimbei because its not absolutely necessary for him.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Next time you see them they will all have it. Maybe not Jimbei because its not absolutely necessary for him.

Does FMK hit logia? I don't remember that but then again it must sense he fought Ace. Unless he was just using his water to defend against Ace for 5 days but that doesn't sound right.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Does Fishman Karate work on Logia?

Did Moriah have his title when he fought Kaidou?

I know they're all strong in their own right but seeing as they're government dogs essentially it seems unavoidable they'd be sent to deal with some Logias, so how is what I'm getting at. I mean shichibukai is a pretty high seat in the WG really they should be able to face most all challenges their some of the best bar the yonkou.

No it doesn't, however it probably did to some extent against Ace due to the fact that he was able to manipulate water to some degree.

I'm guessing so, he mentions how if he had his zombie army he'd be able to take Kaido... Obviously he wouldn't have but I think he implied he had his DF back then, just not the army, and the use of his DF in the New World is what I'm guessing got him the title.

Well they get referred to as government dogs, but when has Oda shown the Schichibuki to actually do anything? Kuma was sent to eliminate the Straw Hats and they were grouped to go against Whitebeard, was there another time?

Well let me ask you this, logias seem more rare than other DF (in pirates that is), so why do you think Oda never pinned a Schichibuki who couldn't use haki against one of them? I'm guessing he knew that they probably couldn't beat them so no point in showing it.

Also, I know Oda hadn't fully defined his whole haki concept, however, right from the start Shanks uses haki, he had at least in mind the concept from the get go, but didn't fully define it until it came to Luffy and the gang using it, otherwise it would have just posed too many questions... It's like, let's say Kaido was introduced as some immortal being right from the start and he was an enemy that Luffy would one day have to defeat, we'd have been constantly thinking throughout the first half of the Grand Line "he still can't beat Kaido yet"...

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Well pre-timeskip they don't show haki, even Mihawk at the time. But they clearly had it. The way I see it is that shichibakui level is higher than VA and lower than Admirals mostly. The only guy we can exclude that rule is Mihawk and maybe Kuma. Anyways, I feel like those warlords would either have a strong haki or a complete mastery over their powers that haki doesn't phase them unless you have high level haki mastery.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Well pre-timeskip they don't show haki, even Mihawk at the time. But they clearly had it. The way I see it is that shichibakui level is higher than VA and lower than Admirals mostly. The only guy we can exclude that rule is Mihawk and maybe Kuma. Anyways, I feel like those warlords would either have a strong haki or a complete mastery over their powers that haki doesn't phase them unless you have high level haki mastery.

Wtf? How can Kuma be admiral level or higher like Mihawk? Kuma is implied to be around Ivankov level and is weaker than Sabo since Sabo is the no.2 of the RA.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Wtf? How can Kuma be admiral level or higher like Mihawk? Kuma is implied to be around Ivankov level and is weaker than Sabo since Sabo is the no.2 of the RA.

Good lord shut the fuck up. Nothing you said here is true whatsoever. "Ewwh it was implied this, it was implied that." Shut your dumbass ass up. I deal with you when I feel like it.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Crocodile been in the seas for over 20 years maybe. One would presume Croc was in his 40s during Alabasta incident. Why didn't he have Haki is a bit strange. I can't bite the idea he spent all his time mastering his sand DF, even if it came from Oda. It's so convient of an excuse for a story-teller.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Good lord shut the fuck up. Nothing you said here is true whatsoever. "Ewwh it was implied this, it was implied that." Shut your dumbass ass up. I deal with you when I feel like it.

You shouldn't be calling others dumbasses when you think Burgess is the 2nd strongest BB Pirate, Law can beat Doflamingo, Sabo can beat Admirals, and Kuma can beat Mihawk. Literally nothing in the manga suggests that Kuma is admiral level or higher, and most evidence points towards Kuma being somewhere around Ivankov's level.

 

[arv993]

You shouldn't be calling others dumbasses when you think Burgess is the 2nd strongest BB Pirate, Law can beat Doflamingo, Sabo can beat Admirals, and Kuma can beat Mihawk. Literally nothing in the manga suggests that Kuma is admiral level or higher, and most evidence points towards Kuma being somewhere around Ivankov's level.

Weevil seems promising in terms of strength

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Weevil seems promising in terms of strength

Kind of forgot he existed ..

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Does Fishman Karate work on Logia?

Did Moriah have his title when he fought Kaidou?

I know they're all strong in their own right but seeing as they're government dogs essentially it seems unavoidable they'd be sent to deal with some Logias, so how is what I'm getting at. I mean shichibukai is a pretty high seat in the WG really they should be able to face most all challenges their some of the best bar the yonkou.

I think fishman karate would be like offensive haki to a logia because it focuses on liquid of the environment amd logia just so happen to beeeeee

 

[Easyfathom]

Does anyone else think it's weird every Shichibukai wasn't shown with haki? I mean they are supposedly strong pirates/crews used by the government to fight other strong pirate crews that would give their marines too much difficulty to make it worth their time without sending out VA's or higher. If that's the case they should be some of the higher up characters like Mihawk, Doffy and Kuma are portrayed yet the majority were never shown to have Haki. That seems like a bit of a set back if they'd have to fight a crew with Logias in it. Maybe it's just me but it seems odd to consider any of the Shichibukai not having armament haki given their reputations(Buggy excluded) I feel like that should be a qualifier for the Shichibukai title. Thoughts?

I think it's quite clear who had haki or not and the reasons why... You've seen Ussop go through some hella training and it still took one desperate situation to unlock CoO.

As for Oda developing haki, I think he know exactly what he was doing, not down to a tee but enough so that he has has ideas for it, the aspects each one had and a greater concept that goes story deep. The latter being my own interpretation on how haki works and the way it's drawn, which is that it wasn't drawn black until the characters we follow knew of it's presence. Haki has always been around, Garp for just about forever has hit Luffy with consequences despite his rubber fruit, but it's only when Luffy becomes consciously aware of what haki
is that we then see it drawn in black.

Now of course Oda may have changed his styles a little bit what with CoC etc, but generally I believe he has had the foundations for it from the start and by no means were the Shichibuki "a result" of his lacking of haki development.

Hmm... Fishman Karate............ I think it would be acceptable that they would work on logias, that often have an element of water being used. To the extent of how much it works though I think is down to the user. Our Boss man Jinbe probably won't see much trouble going up against a logia user.

 

[Uverdore9]

Haki sure was planned. Shanks + WB. How they stronger than Aoki. Haki nothing else.

 

[Caliburn]

Does anyone else think it's weird every Shichibukai wasn't shown with haki? I mean they are supposedly strong pirates/crews used by the government to fight other strong pirate crews that would give their marines too much difficulty to make it worth their time without sending out VA's or higher. If that's the case they should be some of the higher up characters like Mihawk, Doffy and Kuma are portrayed yet the majority were never shown to have Haki. That seems like a bit of a set back if they'd have to fight a crew with Logias in it. Maybe it's just me but it seems odd to consider any of the Shichibukai not having armament haki given their reputations(Buggy excluded) I feel like that should be a qualifier for the Shichibukai title. Thoughts?

Not really.

Boa, Mihawk, DD and Jinbei all know Haki. So that's already 4 of the orignal 7. Yes there have been several discrepancies concerning Haki pre-time skip, but that's nothing new. We don't know exactly how much Oda envisioned in regards to Haki as a concept, but just assume he wanted to save it for the post-time skip plot.

Besides that well don't forget that several of the Shichibukai are pretty much the 'losers' of the New World; pirates who got cut short and fled back. By now they have been slighted and mocked several times by characters of the NW for the simple reason neither their power nor position is that particularly threatening there. Don't forget that one of their primary tasks is to weed out other pirates, meaning the ones who make their way to the NW and those have rarely developed their own Haki. So there's no particular reason for the Shichibukai to use it extensively themselves.

 

[loj]

We all know deep down that Buggy has all the haki's but if he shows them he will be the Pirate King.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Not really.

Boa, Mihawk, DD and Jinbei all know Haki. So that's already 4 of the orignal 7. Yes there have been several discrepancies concerning Haki pre-time skip, but that's nothing new. We don't know exactly how much Oda envisioned in regards to Haki as a concept, but just assume he wanted to save it for the post-time skip plot.

Besides that well don't forget that several of the Shichibukai are pretty much the 'losers' of the New World; pirates who got cut short and fled back. By now they have been slighted and mocked several times by characters of the NW for the simple reason neither their power nor position is that particularly threatening there. Don't forget that one of their primary tasks is to weed out other pirates, meaning the ones who make their way to the NW and those have rarely developed their own Haki. So there's no particular reason for the Shichibukai to use it extensively themselves.

Jinbei hadn't shown his when I initially posted this so that was less than half at the time and I can't recall if Doffy had either at that point. Arm seems to be a basic for strong fighters and they were portrayed to be strong, not the strongest but strong, so I figured they'd have it.