[Discussion] Religion

[Uzumaki Macho]

Even as an atheist? I sincerely doubt a new born baby is able to formulate the positive claim that there is no god

An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any gods, it doesn't matter if they know the concept of a god or not. Newborns are atheists since they do not believe in any gods.

 

[Deadlift]

An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any gods, it doesn't matter if they know the concept of a god or not. Newborns are atheists since they do not believe in any gods.

Well, a newborn doesn't even know the concept of God, if you want to declare yourself an atheist you have to know that concept and then to deny it

 

[Marin]

An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any gods, it doesn't matter if they know the concept of a god or not. Newborns are atheists since they do not believe in any gods.

This is one of the dumbest things one can say. Then again, nearly all neo-atheist arguments fall into this category.

Newborns don't possess any worldview what so ever. For one to be an atheist they must accept a worldview that holds there to be no god. Atheism is an intellectual position. To state a newborn can be ideologically oriented is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Well, a newborn doesn't even know the concept of God, if you want to declare yourself an atheist you have to know that concept and then to deny it

The definition of an atheist is "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Based on the definition of atheism, you don't need to know the concept of God in order to be an atheist.

 

[Rohan]

An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any gods, it doesn't matter if they know the concept of a god or not. Newborns are atheists since they do not believe in any gods.

In my opinion, a baby is neither Religious nor Atheist.

A baby won't know the concept of God if he is not introduced to it.

If he doesn't know what God is, how can he believe in God? How can he not believe in God?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Well, a newborn doesn't even know the concept of God, if you want to declare yourself an atheist you have to know that concept and then to deny it

Sometime people used certain word too lightly.

What people will call new born baby before atheist concept/word exist? No religion right?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This is one of the dumbest things one can say. Then again, nearly all neo-atheist arguments fall into this category.

Newborns don't possess any worldview what so ever. For one to be an atheist they must accept a worldview that holds there to be no god. Atheism is an intellectual position. To state a newborn can be ideologically oriented is beyond ridiculous.

Why aren't you saying the same thing to the guy who said he was a Muslim since he was born? The definition of atheism disagrees with what you said.

 

[HashiraMadara]

In my opinion, a baby is neither Religious nor Atheist.

A baby won't know the concept of God if he is not introduced to it.

If he doesn't know what God is, how can he believe in God? How can he not believe in God?

Here is the answer :sdo:

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

In my opinion, a baby is neither Religious nor Atheist.

A baby won't know the concept of God if he is not introduced to it.

If he doesn't know what God is, how can he believe in God? How can he not believe in God?

Read my previous posts for my answer to this.

 

[Deadlift]

The definition of an atheist is "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Based on the definition of atheism, you don't need to know the concept of God in order to be an atheist.

So everyone until the last three decades was a no global because there wasn't the concept of globalization? Makes sense

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

So everyone until the last three decades was a no global because there wasn't the concept of globalization? Makes sense

What? Bad comparison. Just because the baby doesn't know of the concept of God doesn't mean that the concept doesn't exist; however, the baby still doesn't hold a belief in God and is therefore, by definition, an atheist.

 

[Rohan]

Read my previous posts for my answer to this.

The definition clearly has a loophole then.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Used to be an atheist, now I'm a Muslim.

 

[Deadlift]

What? Bad comparison. Just because the baby doesn't know of the concept of God doesn't mean that the concept doesn't exist; however, the baby still doesn't hold a belief in God and is therefore, by definition, an atheist.

The comparison fits quite enough, and I don't even know why are you bringing the point of the lack of concept meaning non existence (even if I agree with you there).

A no global is one who doesn't "believe" in globalization, if ancient people didn't have the concept of globalization, does it make them no global?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

The definition clearly has a loophole then.

So you chose for there to be an unnecessary loophole instead of admitting that newborns are atheists according to the definition. That's like saying that a story has a plothole even though there is an explanation, but you chose to believe it's a plothole because you don't like the explanation or yu don't want it to be true.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

The comparison fits quite enough, and I don't even know why are you bringing the point of the lack of concept meaning non existence (even if I agree with you there).

A no global is one who doesn't "believe" in globalization, if ancient people didn't have the concept of globalization, does it make them no global?

Yes it does make them a no global if a no global is someone who doesn't believe in globablization.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Why aren't you saying the same thing to the guy who said he was a Muslim since he was born? The definition of atheism disagrees with what you said.

What I mean by "I was born as a Muslim there" is My parent is a Muslim and they taught me about Islamic religion and then I came to be a Muslim. Or in other word I was born to be a Muslim.

In Islam there were two groups of people, One born from Muslim family and other born from Non-Muslim family. One that born within Muslim family and be a Muslim is call as Natural Muslim and the other is call as 'Muallaf'

Muallaf is a person that convert to Islam from their previous religion


Hard pressed bcus of my post Ehhhhh???? * in Gajeel voice*

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What I mean by "I was born as a Muslim there" is My parent is Muslim and they taught me about Islamic religion and then I came to be a Muslim. Or in other word I was born to be a Muslim.

Hard pressed bcus of my post Ehhhhh???? * in Gajeel voice*

Doesn't that go against you saying that no one helped you chose Islam?

 

[Rohan]

The definition of an atheist is "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Based on the definition of atheism, you don't need to know the concept of God in order to be an atheist.

After some googling, I found this article on Lack of Belief :

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What is your and everyone's else opinion on it?

 

[Rohan]

The definition of an atheist is "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Based on the definition of atheism, you don't need to know the concept of God in order to be an atheist.

After some googling, I found this article on Lack of Belief :

You must be registered for see links

What is your and everyone's else opinion on it?