The Ultimate Goku is universal + thread

[TimothyTheTomato]

The Ultimate proof of Goku( end Of Beerus God of Destruction Arc ) is macroversal


After Goku heals from Beerus piercing his chest and powers up and flies into space

Beerus clashes with Goku and universe destroying shockwaves are formed.

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It took 2.5 of them to create the force capable of destroying universe 7 and the kaoishin realm. They're weaker at the epicenter( unlike shockwaves in normal conditions/real life), which is why Earth remained.

The shockwaves full effects were prevented by goku.

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After the second blow Goku mastered hitting at an angle and force equal to beerus to make the shockwaves stop.
That's why the universe didn't go away. This is explicitly stated right after it happens.

There is no contradiction to shockwaves final effect=the destruction of universe 7 and the kaoishin realm

Supreme kai even asks why nothing was destroyed and elder kaoi explains this.
After which they resume melee and they note that their strikes are stronger than before(during the shockwaves but now nothing is being destroyed)

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They collide blasts(Goku surpasses ssgs limits in this clash)

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and Form a "dense energy ball" capable of destroying the universe afterlife and the kaoishin realm. Again, this was explained by elder kai.

When its about to explode Beerus nullifies the explosion capable of destroying the universe afterlife and kaoishin realm with ease.

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They continue to fight but Goku leaves ssg form to ssj.

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Its stated by beerus that goku fully merged with its power. Its also stated by vegeta to have surpassed ssg..

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They continue to fight and return to the sky then ocean and then back to space and clash blasts another time. With far much more power than before.
In fact,Beerus confirms that the amount of energy Goku was currently using would be more difficult to nullify than the previous blasts(This should include the dense energy ball he easily nullified)

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This time a much stronger sphere of destruction appears

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The sphere of destruction contained more power than the high dense energy ball and Gokus final kamehameha and according to Elder Kai it should destroy anything even near it
Goku survived being inside of it (durability feat) and destroyed it ( destructive capability and striking power feat)

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Goku by the end of his fight with Beerus is definitely macroversal+/universe 7 + kaoishin realm

So what we have is this

Gokus final strike(rest of his ki in his fist like against king Piccolo)>Sphere of destruction>Gokus final kamehameha( said to be more hard to cancel than the dense energy ball)>Dense energy ball

Also Goku >Ssj Goku Final kamehameha>ssj post god>fp ssg(past limits)>fp ssg(during beam clash)>post zenkai ssg goku(who canceled shockwaves)


And Ssb is beyond current ssj and ssg
And Goku can multiply his ssb power by 10

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Support that universe 7 and the dbverses are macrocasms/macroverses


Universe 7 is made up of 3 dimensions.

The afterlife. The mortal world( universe we see, same size as ours) and the kaioshin realm.

The afterlife contains a planet which is heaven. Heaven is a planet that is the same size as the universe.(according to guidebooks,supported by Videls statements about its size )

Afterlife as a whole>>>>> heaven.

Hell covers the entire surface of the afterlife. So hell is more huge than heaven.

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The macrocasm is split up in two halves.

The universe/mortal realm which is the same size as our own, possibly bigger.

Then there's the demon realm which is the same size as the universe. This is where dabura came from.
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The kaioshin realm is 1/10th of the afterlife and mortal world combined....

So making it minimum 1/5 of the universe.


Universe 7 as a whole=macroverse

Universe 7 as a whole>>universe

Universe 7+ kaoishin realm>universe 7

Even if we downplay all this. Universe 7 is much larger than a Universe


I stayed up late putting the pics together. Glad it worked out. Ppl fail to realize that the whole fight was a multitude of universal+ feats. Most of them performed without fatigue.
Nitpickers who bash the fact that the shockwaves don't function like real ones use that as an excuse and their own little "debunk"

They aint debunking nothing ,plus the fight has enough to make him universe 7+ level without the shockwaves lmao.


I think if its a common concept from the manga and anime that toryama is trying to stress that this is a fight on a universal+ level.

The whole God of Destruction arc is about surpassing Gokus limits.
"I Never knew a world like this existed"
"The super saiyan god power tells me to Keep going higher"
"You intend to Keep going above the power of a god"

"He's surpassed super saiyan god,the level of gods"

"You still haven't reached your limit"
"Look just because you're a god,Beerus sama,doesn't mean you can put limits on people"

This arc was a screw you to downplayers

Plus the whole arc Beerus was said to universal over and over and over and over.

This has more proof than saiyan saga Vegeta being a planet buster or cell being solar(both true statements)



Calling Goku multi galaxy is worse than calling saiyan saga vegeta multi mountain at best and is the epitome of downplay

 

[Ansatsuken]

What attack Goku have can destroy the entire universe? I'm still curious.

I know his punching power output can do that but other than that?

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Still gets one shotted by a blaster :th:

 

[Nardo]

Nice thread.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

What attack Goku have can destroy the entire universe? I'm still curious.

I know his punching power output can do that but other than that?

Punching power is ki based. That same kind can be put into blasts
Gokus ki proved to be >>>the dense energy ball and it seems you didn't read the post

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Still gets one shotted by a blaster :th:

With ki inactive. While Naruto Sasuke on the other hand got stabbed by shins blades.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Punching power is ki based. That same kind can be put into blasts
Gokus ki proved to be >>>the dense energy ball and it seems you didn't read the post

That mean he can release his Ki and from that alone it can destroy the universe? possible

 

[patrickscott]

The real reason goku is getting these "Powerups" is to have a plausible fight against superman. Since the clash of these two titans is imminent and has been debated for some time now. Word has definitely reached the respective creators of these characters and they have no doubt entertained the thought.

O.T: Goku doesn't really have a limit, so you're just telling me what I already knew.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

That mean he can release his Ki and from that alone it can destroy the universe? possible

His Attacks have universal + potency just like everybody stronger than saiyan saga vegeta have planetary potency.

 

[Ansatsuken]

His Attacks have universal + potency just like everybody stronger than saiyan saga vegeta have planetary potency.

I'm asking you what of attack from him that can bring the potency out/showing that potency. Universal+ potency.

Do you think Kamehameha can destroy a single universe. You know right how big universe is.

Genki Dama. Or some kind of energy ball attack. So far he never show it. Just a clashed of fist

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

I'm asking you what of attack from him that can bring the potency out/showing that potency. Universal+ potency.

Do you think Kamehameha can destroy a single universe. You know right how big universe is.

Genki Dama. Or some kind of energy ball attack. So far he never show it. Just a clashed of fist

You obviously didn't read the thread or see the whole fight past the shockwaves.

Dense energy ball>universe 7

Gokus final kamehameha>dense energy ball supported by beerus statement
Sphere of destruction>Dense energy ball>universe 7

The rest of gokus ki> Sphere of destruction.


Concentration>aoe
And the kamehameha can turn into a ball after the beam is done having energy put into it as we see many times most notibably gohan vs perfect cell( not super perfect)

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Feat 1

Beerus clashes with Goku and universe destroying shockwaves are formed.

It took 2.5 of them to create the force capable of destroying universe 7 and the kaoishin realm. They're weaker at the epicenter like an eye of a storm

Feat 2

The shockwaves full effects were prevented by goku.

After the second blow Goku mastered hitting at an angle and force equal to beerus to make the shockwaves stop.
That's why the universe didn't go away. This is explicitly stated right after it happens.

There is no contradiction to shockwaves final effect=the destruction of universe 7 and the kaoishin realm

Feat 2
Goku and Beerus power up after exchanging a few more blows.
After which they resume melee and they note that their strikes are stronger than before(during the shockwaves but now nothing is being destroyed)

Feat 3
They collide blasts and Form a "dense energy ball" capable of destroying the universe afterlife and the kaoishin realm. Again, this was explained by elder kai.

Feat 5
When its about to explode Beerus nullifies the explosion capable of destroying the universe afterlife and kaoishin realm with ease.

Feat 7
They continue to fight but Goku leaves ssg form to ssj. Its stated by beerus that goku fully merged with its power. Its also stated by vegeta to have surpassed ssg..
Feat 8(proves ssj goku to be universal7 level)
They continue to fight and return to the sky then ocean and then back to space and clash blasts another time. With far much more power than before.
In fact,Beerus confirms that the amount of energy Goku was currently using would be more difficult to nullify than the previous blasts(This should include the dense energy ball he easily nullified)

Feat 9/10
This time a much stronger sphere of destruction appears and Goku destroys it.

The sphere of destruction contained more power than the high dense energy ball and according to Elder Kai it should destroy anything even near it
Goku survived being inside of it (durability feat) and destroyed it ( destructive capability and striking power feat)


9 feats at a mortal universe to macroversal level.

Imagine what Goku can do with a fresh start and every ounce of his ki poured into one attack

 

[Ansatsuken]

You obviously didn't read the thread or see the whole fight past the shockwaves.

Dense energy ball>universe 7

Gokus final kamehameha>dense energy ball supported by beerus statement
Sphere of destruction>Dense energy ball>universe 7

The rest of gokus ki> Sphere of destruction.


Concentration>aoe
And the kamehameha can turn into a ball after the beam is done having energy put into it as we see many times most notibably gohan vs perfect cell( not super perfect)

Changing Kamehameha wave into energy ball? You mean this:-

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I found this:-

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How about Spirit Bomb?

Concentration>aoe

This only apply and can work if Kamehameha is use to destroy a thing/object/solid creation like celestial body(Star, planet etc) but not to destroy never ending dark space like a Universe.

Kamehameha will not do jack shit bcus it lack AOE potential. To destroy Universe, You need AOE attack

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Changing Kamehameha wave into energy ball? You mean this:-

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I found this:-

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How about Spirit Bomb?



This only apply and can work if Kamehameha is use to destroy a thing/object/solid creation like celestial body(Star, planet etc) but not to destroy never ending dark space like a Universe.

Kamehameha will not do jack shit bcus it lack AOE potential. To destroy Universe, You need AOE attack

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That's going under the assumption kamehamehas don't explode which is bullcrap they can explode when one wants them too. And if an inferior dense energy ball and shockwaves didn't lack aoe than come on.

Goku is on par in combat with universal busters in fiction

 

[Ansatsuken]

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That's going under the assumption kamehamehas don't explode which is bullcrap they can explode when one wants them too. And if an inferior dense energy ball and shockwaves didn't lack aoe than come on.

Goku is on par in combat with universal busters in fiction

U WOT M8

Which mean it need to collide with something to release those Universal potency energy M8. If not it just travelling inside large space M8.

I'm talking about how he gonna bust a universe, what attack he have to do that. We know Beerus have it but Goku.

Dense Energy explode right M8? but not Kamehameha M8. It a wave of energy think it like a laser. If Kameha hit someone(Cell was there),

Kameha wave will swallow them inside energy beam and the force iniside that beam will tear apart/disintegrate the body M8.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

U WOT M8

Which mean it need to collide with something to release those Universal potency energy M8. If not it just travelling inside large space M8.

I'm talking about how he gonna bust a universe, what attack he have to do that. We know Beerus have it but Goku.

Dense Energy explode right M8? but not Kamehameha M8. It a wave of energy think it like a laser. If Kameha hit someone(Cell was there),

Kameha wave will swallow them inside energy beam and the force iniside that beam will tear apart/disintegrate the body M8.

Kamehamehas explode
This is so cringe worthy i might cry. They explode how the Hell do you think roshi blew up the Moon. And Goku can create explosive blasts come on son

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kamehamehas explode
This is so cringe worthy i might cry. They explode how the Hell do you think roshi blew up the Moon. And Goku can create explosive blasts come on son

Sorry M8, misunderstood part

I mean yeah you show Cell picture there right.

What I mean is Cell became like that not bcus of explosion but energy force. Sure Kameha will explode on contact. I already told you inside the first line in my previous post M8

-My previous post statement M8

Which mean it need to collide with something to release those Universal potency energy M8. If not it just travelling inside large space M8

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Collide and then explosion can happen bcus Kameha not design to explode like a detonate bomb

You need a glasses M8

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Sorry M8, misunderstood part

I mean yeah you show Cell picture there right.

What I mean is Cell became like that not bcus of explosion but energy force. Sure Kameha will explode on contact. I already told you inside the first line in my previous post M8

-My previous post statement M8
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Collide and then explosion can happen bcus Kameha not design to explode like a detonate bomb

You need a glasses M8

Kamehamehas can explode when one wants. Either way a regular ki blast will ones full power can explode too.

Either way concentration>aoe in combat

 

[V h o]

Superman stomps still :Sparks: