[Discussion] Strongest person these people can defeat

[Vandenre1ch]

He doesn't need to use his strongest attack to test the difference between him and WB. Come on dude, using two hands instead of one hand for the same attack would obviously make it more powerful. That's just common sense.

Seems like you disliked my post about Zoro losing to Pica. Tell me. How would Zoro win? We clearly saw him unable to locate Pica's real body while being covered in bruises n' scratches. When the fight was over, Zoro was breathing heavily. Zoro only got the advantage because Pica went into the golem, limiting his amount of stone.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

He doesn't need to use his strongest attack to test the difference between him and WB. Come on dude, using two hands instead of one hand for the same attack would obviously make it more powerful. That's just common sense.

Using two hands is stronger than using one yet zoro chose to use shi shi son son instead of using a two handed sword tech against kuma in a desperate try.

Also how would he get an accurate representation of his power level compared to the strongest man if he isn't using his strongest slash, what kind of logic is that? If you're competing with your friend who an undefeated champion of throwing rocks would you hold back?

Lmao this is comedy

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Using two hands is stronger than using one yet zoro chose to use shi shi son son instead of using a two handed sword tech against kuma in a desperate try.

Also how would he get an accurate representation of his power level compared to the strongest man if he isn't using his strongest slash, what kind of logic is that? If you're competing with your friend who an undefeated champion of throwing rocks would you hold back?

Lmao this is comedy

Wtf are you talking about? Zoro uses two hands for Shi Shi Son Son. All Mihawk has to do is compare the effort he put into his attack and the effort WB put into countering it. He doesn't need to use his strongest attack.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Wtf are you talking about? Zoro uses two hands for Shi Shi Son Son.

what? He keeps his other hand on the scabbard while,before and after preforming it.

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Lmao whose man is this^

All Mihawk has to do is compare the effort he put into his attack and the effort WB put into countering it. He doesn't need to use his strongest attack.

That would not measure it accurately, especially with a devil fruit like whitebeard's. The effort he puts wouldn't reflect on their overall strength difference rather that one sole attack effectiveness.

 

[ToshiZO]

How has sanji had stronger opponents then Zoro?

This makes me laugh because some people expose themselves when they say that, because when called out on it, the argument completely shifts and becomes "Fujitora is not that much stronger than Doffy" OR "Vergo is sooo much stronger than Pica" . The argument completely becomes "Zoro performed similar against similar level opponents" almost throwing out the original argument of his opponents being weaker.

So which one is it? Want to use the opponents excuse or not lmfao?

Sanji having stronger opponents than Zoro is a myth itself lmfao. That argument was relevant 2 years ago, when Zoro hadn't fought Fujitora or Pica. It died the moment he didn't lose any momentum despite facing stronger foes.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This makes me laugh because some people expose themselves when they say that, because when called out on it, the argument completely shifts and becomes "Fujitora is not that much stronger than Doffy" OR "Vergo is sooo much stronger than Pica" . The argument completely becomes "Zoro performed similar against similar level opponents" almost throwing out the original argument of his opponents being weaker.

So which one is it? Want to use the opponents excuse or not lmfao?

Sanji having stronger opponents than Zoro is a myth itself lmfao. That argument was relevant 2 years ago, when Zoro hadn't fought Fujitora or Pica. It died the moment he didn't lose any momentum despite facing stronger foes.

It's not either or. Their opponents have been either similar, as with Fujitora and Doffy or the Pacifista, or Sanji's way stronger, like Doffy over Pica or Vergo over Monet.

Every time Sanji has looked bad and Zoro has looked good in the timeskip, the person Sanji fought was stronger than the person Zoro fought, VASTLY stronger. When their opponents were on similar levels, either both got mollywhopped (Fuji and Dofi) or both mollywhopped them (The Pacifista).

Zoro didn't lose any momentum? For one, he needed others' help to high diff Pica and one attack from Fujitora required Zoro to use so much effort, he was panting on his knees. Before, he was stomping opponents by himself without difficulty. Those are pathetic standards if going from the latter to the former isn't losing momentum to you.

 

[A v i]

So what? Tsuru and Sengoku weren't there and had no idea what he could do. Doflamingo's own people were unaware of some of his powers, including Viola, who literally sees everything in the country. It's not farfetched that Tsuru and Sengoku don't know everything about Doffy, and they certainly didn't know everything about Luffy. Their confidence is just as baseless as Doffy's.

Now, that's going a bit too far I'd say,Sengoku and Tsuru are two of the most knowledgeable individuals in entire OP. They understand the world and it's power structure better than others. One of the greatest attributes about high ranking marines is their wisdom. Not to mention the obvious hints in manga suggesting that admirals are fully aware of how strong the shichibukai are;

• Akainu kept on implying throughout his entire conversation with Jimbe that he is no match for him and that his attempts to halt his advance are futile. Because Akainu obviously understand the difference in their strength.
• It was Kizaru who tells the world that Weevil is about as strong as Whitebeard in his youth.
• Akainu was shocked upon hearing the news about Doflamingo's defeat, it was as though he didn't expect it to happen.

So, there is noway Sengoku "who monitored Doflamingo's actions ever since he was still a newbie" and Tsuru "who used to chase him like there is no tomorrow" do not know about his true potential. In fact, Fujitora conformed that Luffy will destroy Dressrosa in the process if he wants to take Doflamingo's head which turned out to be true. It means he already had an idea about the extent of Luffy's power and how a clash b/w him and Doflamingo would take place.

And it doesn't really matter whether or not they're present at the battle ground. The whole world knows their battle reduced Dressrosa into dust, they should be able to ascertain the extent of the power it'd take to accomplish such a feat. Aside from that, Fujitora was present at Dressrosa and observed how things happened, he was still confident about taking on all of them together. It implies a direct superiority over Doflamingo, Since Fujitora didn't make such a conclusion out of blue and actually knows what the 3 monsters in the group can do, it remains true until when the manga directly contradicts it.

It may not hold much of a value but even people like Sai and Parrot head"Barto" shitting their pants when Luffy tried to confront Fujitora when they have a legion of people willing to die for Luffy on their side to back him up against Fujitora, bear in mind that the same people displayed no concern when Luffy had to fight Doflamingo on his own. Because even they understand that he's weaker than a marine admiral.

Gear 2 and 3 bruised Fujitora when Fujitora was using just his physical strength and had him panting and pushed him backwards. Meanwhile, the same Gears were too weak for Doflamingo. This shows that Fujitora is physically inferior to Doflamingo.

I hope you've already realized that you lost your credibility when you tried to deny Fujitora's superiority over Doflamingo. The lines on his face aren't essentially a sign of bruise, it was nothing more than dust raised because of the little clash they had. What you failed to remember or should I say conveniently bypassed is the fact that Fujitora shrugged off a full fledged G3 attack without so much as a scratch on his body, he didn't even made any visible attempts at protecting his body with hardening. Where as, Doflamingo's COA was being overpowered by base punches of Luffy , he was bleeding from attacks such as red hawk and a G2 hit sent him flying through walls. Should I remind you that Fujitora blocked G3 attacks with his raw strength alone despite him being a devils fruit user? He doesn't even require hardening to accomplish it. The byproduct of a regular attack of his is enough to completely turn more than half of a hill sized boulder into dust.

His godly perception ,global scale COA, ability to restrict the opponents movements, ability to reflect about any attack with certain level of solidity , The ability to drop meteors with which he can easily replicate or even surpass attacks such as meteor volcano and his top tier durability along with the hype of being one of few greatest obstacles for PK aspirants makes his superiority over DD super obvious. You'd be blind if you already don't know this.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Now, that's going a bit too far I'd say,Sengoku and Tsuru are two of the most knowledgeable individuals in entire OP. They understand the world and it's power structure better than others. One of the greatest attributes about high ranking marines is their wisdom. Not to mention the obvious hints in manga suggesting that admirals are fully aware of how strong the shichibukai are;

• Akainu kept on implying throughout his entire conversation with Jimbe that he is no match for him and that his attempts to halt his advance are futile. Because Akainu obviously understand the difference in their strength.
• It was Kizaru who tells the world that Weevil is about as strong as Whitebeard in his youth.
• Akainu was shocked upon hearing the news about Doflamingo's defeat, it was as though he didn't expect it to happen.

This doesn't disprove what I've said. Tsuru and Sengoku are going on confidence, which isn't infallible. Are they highly knowledgeable? Yes. Do they know everything about everyone? Of course not. Doflamingo himself has shown awareness of Fujitora's power and reputation back on Green Bit, which is proof that simply being knowledgeable about a person's abilities doesn't mean your claims are bulletproof, as Doffy was confident that Pica could take on Fujitora. I grant you that Tsuru and Sengoku are more credible(I take back the baseless comment) but that doesn't mean their words or confidence is 100% truth either.

So, there is noway Sengoku "who monitored Doflamingo's actions ever since he was still a newbie" and Tsuru "who used to chase him like there is no tomorrow" do not know about his true potential. In fact, Fujitora conformed that Luffy will destroy Dressrosa in the process if he wants to take Doflamingo's head which turned out to be true. It means he already had an idea about the extent of Luffy's power and how a clash b/w him and Doflamingo would take place.

Okay, granted. We have credible hype, now show me credible feats, like I asked for before.

It may not hold much of a value but even people like Sai and Parrot head"Barto" shitting their pants when Luffy tried to confront Fujitora when they have a legion of people willing to die for Luffy on their side to back him up against Fujitora, bear in mind that the same people displayed no concern when Luffy had to fight Doflamingo on his own. Because even they understand that he's weaker than a marine admiral.

I have no doubt that Doffy is overall inferior to Fujitora. I'm asking for these feats that show he's way, way, way stronger as you claim. Don't forget that Luffy going to challenge Doflamingo was also expected of everyone and something Luffy HAD to do, whereas challenging the Admiral drew surprise because they had a deadline to follow, which having a full fight with an Admiral would not allow.




I hope you've already realized that you lost your credibility when you tried to deny Fujitora's superiority over Doflamingo. The lines on his face aren't essentially a sign of bruise, it was nothing more than dust raised because of the little clash they had. What you failed to remember or should I say conveniently bypassed is the fact that Fujitora shrugged off a full fledged G3 attack without so much as a scratch on his body, he didn't even made any visible attempts at protecting his body with hardening. Where as, Doflamingo's COA was being overpowered by base punches of Luffy , he was bleeding from attacks such as red hawk and a G2 hit sent him flying through walls. Should I remind you that Fujitora blocked G3 attacks with his raw strength alone despite him being a devils fruit user? He doesn't even require hardening to accomplish it. The byproduct of a regular attack of his is enough to completely turn more than half of a hill sized boulder into dust.

His godly perception ,global scale COA, ability to restrict the opponents movements, ability to reflect about any attack with certain level of solidity , The ability to drop meteors with which he can easily replicate or even surpass attacks such as meteor volcano and his top tier durability along with the hype of being one of few greatest obstacles for PK aspirants makes his superiority over DD super obvious. You'd be blind if you already don't know this. [/QUOTE]

You've proven your inability to read by replying to my argument that Doflamingo is physically superior to Fujitora by:

1. Saying I said he's overall superior, which I did not.

2. Listing feats that were achieved via Haki and his Devil Fruit, not his physical strength.

What you failed to remember or should I say conveniently bypassed is the fact that Fujitora shrugged off a full fledged G3 attack without so much as a scratch on his body, he didn't even made any visible attempts at protecting his body with hardening. Where as, Doflamingo's COA was being overpowered by base punches of Luffy, he was bleeding from attacks such as red hawk and a G2 hit sent him flying through walls.

And you conveniently forget that:

1. Doflamingo's Armament was broken after Gamma Knife by Luffy's bare punches. Here's what happens when Doflamingo, at his full strength, encounters a Jet Gatling, which is stronger than base punches(they weren't even base, they had Haki laced into them).

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2. Law cited that the Red Hawk was superfluous, meaning whatever damage it did to Doflamingo was meaningless.

3. Oh, Red Hawk drew blood from Doflamingo? I guess blood is a great indicator of damage, right? Here's the blood that came from Doffy's mouth

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Now here's Garp's face and blood after Luffy punched him and sent him flying into the ground:

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More blood than Doflamingo. I guess Luffy pre-skip is closer to Garp than post-skip Luffy is to Doflamingo, since blood is such an infallible indicator of damage.

Maybe we should take it a bit further:

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Crocodile has less blood on his face than Garp. I guess Luffy can deal more damage to Garp pre-skip than Jozu can deal to Crocodile.

a G2 hit sent him flying through walls.

A weakened Doflamingo who took the attack without guarding because he knew the attack wouldn't hurt him. Doflamingo weighs like, what, 200-300 pounds? Luffy has thrown aside two skyscrapers with his bare hands pre-skip with no leverage. ANYONE Luffy hits asides from Giants who just stand there and allow the attack to hit them full force, without putting any effort into mitigating the force, will be sent flying in the exact same way, regardless of strength. Doflamingo was sent flying because he, a man who weighs like 300 lbs, allowed himself to be carried by momentum that can topple skyscrapers. If Fujitora stood still and did nothing to deflect the force from Gear 2(as Dofi did) and 3, he'd be sent flying as well. As demonstrated in the scan above, a HEALTHY Doflamingo can easily deflect and react to Gear 2(scan also demonstrates that Doflamingo's Armament got weaker after Gamma Knife as well).

 

[A v i]

This doesn't disprove what I've said. Tsuru and Sengoku are going on confidence, which isn't infallible. Are they highly knowledgeable? Yes. Do they know everything about everyone? Of course not. Doflamingo himself has shown awareness of Fujitora's power and reputation back on Green Bit, which is proof that simply being knowledgeable about a person's abilities doesn't mean your claims are bulletproof, as Doffy was confident that Pica could take on Fujitora. I grant you that Tsuru and Sengoku are more credible(I take back the baseless comment) but that doesn't mean their words or confidence is 100% truth either.

Yes, it does. Their estimation may or may not be 100% accurate but it must be closer to being accurate. It doesn't mean their judgement would be inaccurate enough to put Fujitora on a whole new level when they're originally close in strength. In fact, there is literally noway they'd misjudge ones power level to that extent despite being as knowledgeable as they are. It's totally impractical, especially, when we're talking about Doflamingo considering he's been monitored by them ever since he was a rookie. They're definitely not at a level where they'd make conclusions without having solid evidence to back it up. I said it before, they do not have to know everything he can do to know how strong he can be, the level of destruction Luffy and Law caused to take out Doflamingo is enough to almost accurately estimate their power levels.

The manga directly contradicts their statements, Both in case of Doflamingo as well as Pica. Whereas,You don't have anything on your side to say the senior marine's confidence about Fujitora being strong enough to take them all isn't justified. How came we even know they don't know how strong Doffy is? Just because one is proved to be wrong doesn't mean same will happen in case of others. Two of the most wise and knowledgeable persons believes him to be that capable, So it must be close to being 100% accurate and you can take it for granted.

Okay, granted. We have credible hype, now show me credible feats, like I asked for before.

Yeah, we conform things only when we have feats, right?

I have no doubt that Doffy is overall inferior to Fujitora. I'm asking for these feats that show he's way, way, way stronger as you claim. Don't forget that Luffy going to challenge Doflamingo was also expected of everyone and something Luffy HAD to do, whereas challenging the Admiral drew surprise because they had a deadline to follow, which having a full fight with an Admiral would not allow.

Same as above, Oda doesn't have to spoon feed us with feats to conform every single thing. Fujitora doesn't have feats to say he's far stronger than Zoro either, it doesn't mean he isn't, It's quite evident via portrayal that they do not even belong to same general power level. Same applies to Doflamingo. It wasn't about the dead line, they were all just terrified upon witnessing him attacking Fujitora. Why because they simply believe attacking Fujitora is just insane even for someone with enough power to battle Doflamingo.

You've proven your inability to read by replying to my argument that Doflamingo is physically superior to Fujitora by:


2. Listing feats that were achieved via Haki and his Devil Fruit, not his physical strength.

The overall point is to prove Fujitora is much stronger than Heavenly Demon, not to show who b/w them is physically stronger. I even went through the trouble of listing the feats of him blocking COA imbued G3 attacks with his raw strength when the same took spider web for Doflamingo to accomplish. That was a direct indication of superior physical strength. Not to mention he blocked attacks from a physical fighter such as Sabo, he blocked an attack from Sabo which was soo strong that it sent the fodders around them flying upon getting blocked.

1. Saying I said he's overall superior, which I did not.

I never said this^, I am not even sure which part of my post even sound like it.

And you conveniently forget that:

1. Doflamingo's Armament was broken after Gamma Knife by Luffy's bare punches. Here's what happens when Doflamingo, at his full strength, encounters a Jet Gatling, which is stronger than base punches(they weren't even base, they had Haki laced into them).

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2. Law cited that the Red Hawk was superfluous, meaning whatever damage it did to Doflamingo was meaningless.

3. Oh, Red Hawk drew blood from Doflamingo? I guess blood is a great indicator of damage, right? Here's the blood that came from Doffy's mouth

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Now here's Garp's face and blood after Luffy punched him and sent him flying into the ground:

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More blood than Doflamingo. I guess Luffy pre-skip is closer to Garp than post-skip Luffy is to Doflamingo, since blood is such an infallible indicator of damage.

Maybe we should take it a bit further:

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Crocodile has less blood on his face than Garp. I guess Luffy can deal more damage to Garp pre-skip than Jozu can deal to Crocodile.

Wrong, you made it sound like his armament was overpowered entirely because of GN which isn't even remotely closer to being true. It was true GN inflected quite a lot of internal damage but it didn't weaken him as much as you're making it out to be. Oda didn't emphasize the point of his performance getting effected by GN either visibly or vocally. However, I do agree it did contribute in Luffy gaining upper hand in their clash but not as much as you think. Luffy is able to easily overpower him because his COA in particular isn't that great. Not to mention the difference in power b/w a full fledged G3 attack and a base punch is astronomical. So, it doesn't make much of difference even if Doflamingo can completely tank the base attacks under normal circumstances.

By Base, I am referring to the fact that he wasn't using gears. Doflamingo guarded himself with COA against Jet gatling. Where as, Luffy wasn't using it. So, I am not sure how it helps your case. And it matters not whether if the attack had done significant damage, it did damage him enough to cough blood when a far far stronger attack was completely tanked by Issho.

I never said more blood is a grater indication of damage. I don't even get how you can come up with these ridiculous misinterpretations. I used blood as a sign of him getting damaged in comparison with Fujitora, who didn't even receive a scare. There is a huge difference.

More blood does indicate more damage but not always as it heavily depends on the kind of attack used and where damage is inflected. Making someone bleed via external damage and doing the same by inflecting internal damage aren't same thing. But that's a different story and has nothing to do with the point of discussion. As it's about whether or not they were damaged not about how much damage is done.

A weakened Doflamingo who took the attack without guarding because he knew the attack wouldn't hurt him. Doflamingo weighs like, what, 200-300 pounds? Luffy has thrown aside two skyscrapers with his bare hands pre-skip with no leverage. ANYONE Luffy hits asides from Giants who just stand there and allow the attack to hit them full force, without putting any effort into mitigating the force, will be sent flying in the exact same way, regardless of strength. Doflamingo was sent flying because he, a man who weighs like 300 lbs, allowed himself to be carried by momentum that can topple skyscrapers. If Fujitora stood still and did nothing to deflect the force from Gear 2(as Dofi did) and 3, he'd be sent flying as well. As demonstrated in the scan above, a HEALTHY Doflamingo can easily deflect and react to Gear 2(scan also demonstrates that Doflamingo's Armament got weaker after Gamma Knife as well).

He didn't choose to take the attack because it can't hurt him. He simply couldn't react in time. I wonder why same thing didn't happened when Sanji kicked him or when Luffy attacked him with jet gatling? I wonder why "Fierce Tiger" the same attack which sent Luffy flying through giant boulder didn't do the same with Sabo despite him being solid for quite a time after being hit by the attack? It certainly depends on how much one can resist the attack which depends on how strong someone is. Doflamingo was sent flying because he couldn't completely resist the attack. He did coat his gut in haki before being hit btw.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes, it does. Their estimation may or may not be 100% accurate but it must be closer to being accurate. It doesn't mean their judgement would be inaccurate enough to put Fujitora on a whole new level when they're originally close in strength. In fact, there is literally noway they'd misjudge ones power level to that extent despite being as knowledgeable as they are. It's totally impractical, especially, when we're talking about Doflamingo considering he's been monitored by them ever since he was a rookie. They're definitely not at a level where they'd make conclusions without having solid evidence to back it up. I said it before, they do not have to know everything he can do to know how strong he can be, the level of destruction Luffy and Law caused to take out Doflamingo is enough to almost accurately estimate their power levels.

The manga directly contradicts their statements, Both in case of Doflamingo as well as Pica. Whereas,You don't have anything on your side to say the senior marine's confidence about Fujitora being strong enough to take them all isn't justified. How came we even know they don't know how strong Doffy is? Just because one is proved to be wrong doesn't mean same will happen in case of others. Two of the most wise and knowledgeable persons believes him to be that capable, So it must be close to being 100% accurate and you can take it for granted.

And yet Doflamingo, who's proven to be just as knowledgeable about the world as them, was wrong about his conclusions.

Yeah, we conform things only when we have feats, right?

Feat>hype. A character can have all the hype in the world and without the feats to back it up, it doesn't mean much due to how easily hype is debunked in the manga time and time again.


Same as above, Oda doesn't have to spoon feed us with feats to conform every single thing. Fujitora doesn't have feats to say he's far stronger than Zoro either, it doesn't mean he isn't,[/QUOTE]
1. Lifting the debris across the entire country of Dressrosa

2. Effectively combating Law, an opponent that is stronger than Zoro

3. Reducing Zoro to panting on his knees with one attack

All feats that place Fujitora above Zoro. Try again.

It's quite evident via portrayal that they do not even belong to same general power level. Same applies to Doflamingo. It wasn't about the dead line, they were all just terrified upon witnessing him attacking Fujitora. Why because they simply believe attacking Fujitora is just insane even for someone with enough power to battle Doflamingo.

They were shocked upon seeing him attack an Admiral in the middle of an escape attempt. Their exact words are "You can't start a serious fight at a time like this," showing that their reaction was concern because Luffy was starting a serious fight at that particular time, not because he was fighting an Admiral in genera.

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He then laments here that they're on a schedule. They never express concern because it's fighting an Admiral, they express concern because it's a serious fight, which can denote anyone at Luffy's level and above and not just Admirals, at that particular time.



The overall point is to prove Fujitora is much stronger than Heavenly Demon, not to show who b/w them is physically stronger. I even went through the trouble of listing the feats of him blocking COA imbued G3 attacks with his raw strength when the same took spider web for Doflamingo to accomplish.[/QUOTE]

What Doflamingo did and what Fujitora did weren't and also were the same thing. Fujitora used his blade to block the Gear Third+Gear Second punch, which sent him flying into a wall and left him with a slight bruise on his forehead. Doflamingo on the other hand fully stopped the momentum of the Gear Third blow. While it's hard to compare the feats because one was Gear Second and Gear Third at the same time and the other was just Gear Third, it's pretty much the same accomplishment comparatively. Doflamingo completely halted Gear Third with his Devil Fruit, while Fujitora was sent flying by Gear Third+Gear Second. I'm sure if Luffy had used just Gear Third on Fujitora, he probably would have been able to halt it as well.

That was a direct indication of superior physical strength. Not to mention he blocked attacks from a physical fighter such as Sabo, he blocked an attack from Sabo which was soo strong that it sent the fodders around them flying upon getting blocked.

And Doflamingo has a feat of superior strength by deflecting Gear Second attacks, which were enough to push Fujitora back.

I never said this^, I am not even sure which part of my post even sound like it.

I hope you've already realized that you lost your credibility when you tried to deny Fujitora's superiority over Doflamingo.

Wrong, you made it sound like his armament was overpowered entirely because of GN which isn't even remotely closer to being true. It was true GN inflected quite a lot of internal damage but it didn't weaken him as much as you're making it out to be. Oda didn't emphasize the point of his performance getting effected by GN either visibly or vocally.

Now you're just kidding yourself. The drop in Doflamingo's power was made blatantly obvious when you look at his performances from before and from after Gamma Knife hit.

Before Gamma Knife, he was able to easily parry and break Luffy's guard to land a sharp kick:

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After Gamma Knife, he could barely keep up and block Luffy's swings while Luffy was in the same mode:

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Before Gamma Knife, able to easily detect and deflect Gear Second:

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After Gamma Knife, couldn't notice the Jet Bazooka until it was close to his chest:

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Before Gamma Knife, Doflamingo could deflect Jet Gatling:

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After Gamma Knife, a single punch with Koka, which would be weaker than a Jet Gatling, broke his defenses:

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The difference in ability is staggering, and seeing as Gamma Knife was the only significant damage inflicted between these points, it can't be made any more obvious that Doflamingo was severely weakened by Gamma Knife, which is made even more clear by Luffy saying he wouldn't let Law's attack go to waste. Notice how he leaves out the likes of Red Hawk and the Jet Stamp he got in.

However, I do agree it did contribute in Luffy gaining upper hand in their clash but not as much as you think. Luffy is able to easily overpower him because his COA in particular isn't that great.

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Doffy and Luffy have been portrayed as having pretty much the same level of Haki, or at least Doffy after Gamma Knife.

By Base, I am referring to the fact that he wasn't using gears. Doflamingo guarded himself with COA against Jet gatling. Where as, Luffy wasn't using it. So, I am not sure how it helps your case.

Jet Gatling will definitely deal more damage than a single Koka punch.The fact that his Haki deflected a Jet Gatling pre-GK and succumbed to a single Koka-punch post-GK shows that Doffy's Haki was considerably weaker when Luffy landed that Koka-punch to the face.

And it matters not whether if the attack had done significant damage, it did damage him enough to cough blood when a far far stronger attack was completely tanked by Issho.

I never said more blood is a grater indication of damage. I don't even get how you can come up with these ridiculous misinterpretations. I used blood as a sign of him getting damaged in comparison with Fujitora, who didn't even receive a scare. There is a huge difference.

That's where you said it. You said Doflamingo received more damage because he coughed up blood, whereas Fujitora had none and just a scar. That is where you imply that more blood=more damage, which isn't true. Blood doesn't matter when the attack is stated to have superfluous damage to Doflamingo. Just a bruise is on the same level of damage that doesn't matter. The fact that Luffy neglected to mention it when talking about how Dofi was hurt is proof enough.

More blood does indicate more damage but not always as it heavily depends on the kind of attack used and where damage is inflected. Making someone bleed via external damage and doing the same by inflecting internal damage aren't same thing. But that's a different story and has nothing to do with the point of discussion. As it's about whether or not they were damaged not about how much damage is done.

Still failing to factor in that Doflamingo was struck off-guard while Fujitora was defending. Had Doflamingo been defending as Fuhjitora was, then he'd be able to deflect Red Hawk without bleeding too.

He didn't choose to take the attack because it can't hurt him. He simply couldn't react in time. I wonder why same thing didn't happened when Sanji kicked him or when Luffy attacked him with jet gatling?

Here Doflamingo easily dodges an attack with the speed of Jet Gatling, even after being weakened(his strength was fluctuating).

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This shows Dofi choose to block the Jet Gatling and Sanji's kicks, not that he had to. He even dodged and sped blitzed Luffy in Gear 4 at one point, so idk why you're trying to imply Dofi doesn't have the speed to dodge those attacks if he wanted to.

I wonder why "Fierce Tiger" the same attack which sent Luffy flying through giant boulder didn't do the same with Sabo despite him being solid for quite a time after being hit by the attack?

For one, Luffy was in midair when Fujitora used Fierce Tiger on him

Sabo was indeed thrown off of his feet and immediately dispersed into flames once that occurred, as shown here:

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That scan of Fujitora blocking Sabo's Mera-propelled kick and standing his ground while Luffy in Gear Second pushed him back just proves my case about how unreliable this whole "X pushed back Y but Z couldn't push back Y, so X is stronger than Z" rhetoric is.

It certainly depends on how much one can resist the attack which depends on how strong someone is. Doflamingo was sent flying because he couldn't completely resist the attack. He did coat his gut in haki before being hit btw.

There's no Haki on his body.

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That shading is just the shadow from Luffy's hands. You can see the exact same shading on the left side of his neck and shoulder. I guess he decided to put Koka up there too for no reason. And if that is Haki, then it means it contradicts your statement that he couldn't react to the Bazooka, as seeing the attack coming and lacing the part it's about to strike with Haki IS reacting to it.

Also no Haki when he's sent flying.

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I think it's safe to say he didn't use Haki.

 

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Do you also believe that Luffy is an 8 foot tall monster? The readers generally do know more than fodders in the series.

This has been already discussed before. If somebody sees only a part of Luffy gear 3 attacks something like this,

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then he/she will also think Luffy is 8foot tall monster.
On the other hand there were guys who had seen Mihawk fight like at MF Mihawk said "he didnot remembered every pirate he fought wit"(something like that) and they were NW pirates and were part of WB fleet who use to fight wit guys like Shanks, Kaido, Shichibukais(most probably).

He doesn't need to use his strongest attack to test the difference between him and WB. Come on dude, using two hands instead of one hand for the same attack would obviously make it more powerful. That's just common sense.

In manga verse 2hands and 1hands give same result. dont use RL logic in mangaverse.

Using two hands is stronger than using one yet zoro chose to use shi shi son son instead of using a two handed sword tech against kuma in a desperate try.

Also how would he get an accurate representation of his power level compared to the strongest man if he isn't using his strongest slash, what kind of logic is that? If you're competing with your friend who an undefeated champion of throwing rocks would you hold back?

Lmao this is comedy

Bro It was Mihawks Pre TS strongest attack.
I remember somebody said Mihawks attack was meant to cut Muscles/skin/tissues not diamonds/haki thats why Jozu was able to stop it.
On the other hand Mihawk saw WB easily stopped Aokiji's attack but for some lame reason he decided to use his weakest attack against a Yonko who was supposed to be the Strongest Man in OPverse:th: