Minato's chances to beat EMS Madara

[Ambivalence]

Minato probably takes scenario 2, though I remember KG thought otherwise. Definitely gets obliterated in S1.

 

[Simbv]

canonically states can't keep up his sm for long in battle
canonically needed naruto to apply senjutsu on large rasengan

It's fanfic to assume he can when there's nothing hinting towards the possiblity. Minato needed Naruto to apply Senjutsu to his attack because he was incapable of doing so himself.

Minato also possesses less mastery over Kurama's powers, so Naruto being apply Senjutsu during Bijuu Mode does not imply that Minato can.

I need scans of Madara's Susanoo tanking multiple TBB's before i change my mind about him not being able to break Susanoo with them. Honestly just creating a opening would be enough. But, if Minato can't break through Susanoo with TBB they stalemate in Scenario 2. There is no way that Madara is catching Minato when he has FTG along with BM that also enhances his speed and reaction time, which was already crazy before he was an Edo.


Without Susanoo Madara gets wrecked though, low difficulty.



EDIT: How does the battle start? Does Madara start off with Susanoo in Scenario 2? If he doesn't, he loses. He gets tagged at the start of the battle and Minato could simply FTG inside. There's multiple ways the battle could start in scenario 2.

One way it could go is if Minato starts in Bm and Madara starts out with Susanoo in which case they stalemate. If its a fight to the death, then Minato would win because whoever runs out of chakra first will lose. Minato has Half of Kurama, it definitely won't be him.

The other way it could go is if Madara starts without susanoo, in which case, he loses. All in all i can't see Minato losing scenario two even if he can't break through Susanoo.

 

[NarutoX28]

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These are the scans that shows Madara's PS tanked at least a dozen of Full Kurama's Bijuudamas.

 

[Simbv]

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These are the scans that shows Madara's PS tanked at least a dozen of Full Kurama's Bijuudamas.

That doesn't look like tanking to me. His armor was literally falling to pieces in the next scan. It literally says in the next scan Susanoo was removed. But, that looks like it came from the SS Barrage.

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I need scans of Madara's Susanoo tanking multiple TBB's alone and coming out unscathed. If you can't find proof of that there is no reason as to why Minato wouldn't be able to make a simple opening.

 

[NarutoX28]

That doesn't look like tanking to me. His armor was literally falling to pieces in the next scan. It literally says in the next scan Susanoo was removed. But, that looks like it came from the SS Barrage.

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I need scans of Madara's Susanoo tanking multiple TBB's alone and coming out unscathed. If you can't find proof of that there is no reason as to why Minato wouldn't be able to make a simple opening.

First of all, how many TBB's do you think BM Minato can even land on Madara's PS?

 

[Simbv]

First of all, how many TBB's do you think BM Minato can even land on Madara's PS?

Enough to create an opening. Do you have the scans?

 

[NarutoX28]

Enough to create an opening. Do you have the scans?

What more do you want?

Remnants of his armor still remained despite SS's barrage and an explosion that consisted of at least a dozen of Full Kurama's Bijuudamas. It's baseless to assume BM Minato can simply land multiple TBB's and create an opening on Madara's PS just because it couldn't withstand a much stronger attack.

 

[Simbv]

What more do you want?

Remnants of his armor still remained despite SS's barrage and an explosion that consisted of at least a dozen of Full Kurama's Bijuudamas. It's baseless to assume BM Minato can simply land multiple TBB's and create an opening on Madara's PS just because it couldn't withstand a much stronger attack.

Being hit full force by a TBB< Being caught in the aftereffects of an TBB you fired.

Yeah because that makes sense.


I was almost fooled by that scan until i remembered he fired those TBB at Hashi's SS.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Madara wins because of PS+Kurama.

 

[Simbv]

Madara wins because of PS+Kurama.

This EMS Madara doesn't have Kurama.

 

[BLAZE]

I was almost fooled by that scan until i remembered he fired those TBB at Hashi's SS.

madara's PS and SS were literally caught in AoE of clash [

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] which itself covered massive Area.You can literally see it dwarfing mountains

 

[Simbv]

madara's PS and SS were literally caught in AoE of clash [

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] which itself covered massive Area.You can literally see it dwarfing mountains

That was literally the side of effect of SS. If we are going by the anime(which is the ADAPTATION of the manga), then the TBB's Madara fired didn't even explode severely when they hit Hashi's SS. As we know the manga doesn't show that they exploded, so i'm just going to side with the anime on this one. They literally knocked off a couple of arms with very little explosions. t. But, i gave Narutox28 the benefit of the doubt.

 

[NarutoX28]

Being hit full force by a TBB< Being caught in the aftereffects of an TBB you fired.

Yeah because that makes sense.

No it doesn't because both instances would have Madara's PS caught in the explosion no matter what.

I was almost fooled by that scan until i remembered he fired those TBB at Hashi's SS.

Wouldn't make a difference because Madara's PS wouldn't be engulfed in the majority of the explosion.

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It tanked 1 of Full Kurama's Bijuudama head on with only a dented nose. A few of BM Minato's Bijuudama shouldn't bust through his PS given that.

 

[Simbv]

No it doesn't because both instances would have Madara's PS caught in the explosion no matter what.



Wouldn't make a difference because Madara's PS wouldn't be engulfed in the majority of the explosion.

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It tanked 1 of Full Kurama's Bijuudama head on with only a dented nose. A few of BM Minato's Bijuudama shouldn't bust through his PS given that.

Read my previous post.


Not saying it will destroy Susanoo, but its just foolish to assume that it wouldn't create a big enough opening for Minato to throw his FTG Marked Kunai into. Alas, i still need scans.

 

[NarutoX28]

Read my previous post.


Not saying it will destroy Susanoo, but its just foolish to assume that it wouldn't create a big enough opening for Minato to throw his FTG Marked Kunai into. Alas, i still need scans.

You're assuming that BM Minato can fling Bijuudamas with no resistance which is false when Madara's PS can form multiple shockwaves instantaneously or has flight for extra mobility.

And I gave you a scan where Madara's PS tanked a Full Kurama Bijuudama straight-on. Madara's PS also had better feats than BSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar which could resist a Laserdama from the Juubi. No reason why it cannot a few Bijuudama from BM Minato.

 

[BLAZE]

That was literally the side of effect of SS.

SS compared to mountains [

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The clash compared to mountain [

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The AOE dwarves the SS itself

If we are going by the anime(which is the ADAPTATION of the manga), then the TBB's Madara fired didn't even explode when they hit Hashi's SS.

not even gonna talk about SP fillers

As we know the manga doesn't show that they exploded, so i'm just going to side with the anime on this one.

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[Simbv]

You're assuming that BM Minato can fling Bijuudamas with no resistance which is false when Madara's PS can form multiple shockwaves instantaneously or has flight for extra mobility.

And I gave you a scan where Madara's PS tanked a Full Kurama Bijuudama straight-on. Madara's PS also had better feats than BSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar which could resist a Laserdama from the Juubi. No reason why it cannot a few Bijuudama from BM Minato.

He could simply use FTG along with his Kurama Avatar. Before that, Minato's Kurama has better mobility than anything Madara's Susanoo has ever shown. Your claim is baseless that he won't be able to hit Susanoo with a couple of TBB's.

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Are you mistaken? I just said that was due to the SS.

THE MANGA ITSELF shows that they didn't explode when they hit Hashirama and the anime shows that the explosions were minimal. I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt here. Take it how you want it.

 

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Are you mistaken? I just said that was due to the SS.

It was becoz of the clash stop making fanfics that it was only due to SS.
If that was the case madara would have been pasted alongside Kyuubi and his PS which did not happen

Minato's firepower pales in comparision to that clash and thats when you spoon feed him BM Naruto's feats.without spoonfeeding its even worse

shows that they didn't explode when they hit Hashirama and the anime shows that the explosions were minimal. I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt here. Take it how you want it.

So according to You tbb didn't explode here too [

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] and saying the explosion was minimal when clash literally dwarfs multiple mountains and destroyed arms of SS which are itself gigantic

 

[Simbv]

It was becoz of the clash stop making fanfics that it was only due to SS.
If that was the case madara would have been pasted alongside Kyuubi and his PS which did not happen

Minato's firepower paless in comparision to that clash and thats when you spoon feed him BM Naruto's feats.without spoonfeeding its even worse
So accoording to You tbb didn't explode here too [

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] and saying the explosion was minimal when clsh literally dwarfs multiple mountains and destroyed arms of SS which are itself gigantic

Well i gave you the benefit of the doubt and you didn't take it. So ill just bring manga scans to refute your claim. The scan you provided with Naruto, Sasuke and Obito is irrelevant to Hashi and Madara. I said in the anime the explosions were very minimal.

Here you can see that Madara fired several TBBs, upon impact with Hashirama's SS you can see that they did not explode.

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Furthermore judging by the impact and motion of Hashirama's attack you can see that the explosion of dust was caused by Hashi. WHY? Because Hashi is punching downward with his SS and the aftereffects of the explosion are going in an upward motion. As shown here:

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Stop trying to convince yourself that Hashi didn't cause that explosion.

 

[BLAZE]

Well i gave you the benefit of the doubt and you didn't take it. So ill just bring manga scans to refute your claim. The scan you provided with Naruto, Sasuke and Obito is irrelevant to Hashi and Madara. I said in the anime the explosions were very minimal.

Oh yeah two scans about Bijuudama blasting are irrelevant to each other despite having similiar effects eh why oh we should watch the anime :lol really anime

Here you can see that Madara fired several TBBs, upon impact with Hashirama's SS you can see that they did not explode.

And literally ignores what happens next aka something that dwarves SS.Basically u can look at what u posted yourself oh wait there is new fanfic now

Furthermore judging by the impact and motion of Hashirama's attack you can see that the explosion of dust was caused by Hashi. WHY?

Oh are dense to realise the SS arms were literally breaking against the BD+PS combo but you are gonna assume hashi caused the explosion becoz u watch fillers

Because Hashi is punching downward with his SS and the aftereffects of the explosion are going in an upward motion. As shown here:
Stop trying to convince yourself that Hashi didn't cause that explosion.

Or are u dense to realise that Bijuudama's cause the bold and there were 11 of them[with PS blade] from a bijuu whose half matched the BD from 5 bijuus's [

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