Itachi chances to defeat Hashirama

[Jokule67]

Fail again where is yall manga knowledge at... Im not going to gi all the way through this im just going to counter your vital points of yoyr argument


1. You say madara's genjutsu hasn't worked on hashirama... Answer this... How many times have madara used genjutsu? 2 times, and what level of genjutsu were they? Both times were 3 tomoe genjutsu, once on Ay via a mokuton clone and the other on the kyuubi... So when has hashirama faced a genjutsu on the level of tsukoyami? NEVER,... The final question you need ti answer is... Does tye manga state ONLY a UCHIHA and SIBLING of the caster can break tsukoyami????


2. You say hashirama broke edo tensei therefore he cab break tsukoyami... Fail again genjutsu controls the mind edo tensei controls the soul mind and soul are not the same...

3. You say itachi's genjutsu couldn't free him of edo tensei well thats true for that circumstances because kabuto "Mastered " edo tensei being able to bring people back at 100% and even past their primes while orochimaru only brought them back close to their primes, thats a huge difference between edo tensei caster, also madara would have never been able to be free had itachi not took control of kabuto and saved the ninja world, kabuto would have taken away madara's personality had he tried and negated the possibility of him performing the seals but itachi saved the day so... Anyway KA was itachi's genjutsu, it was given ti him just like ms and. Kamui was given to kakashi so stay mad and anyway itachi rewrote what ka was used for he manipulated it to only counter his eyes...

Genjutsu controls the CHAKRA of the mind and Hashiramas Chakra CANNOT be tamed. You LOSE.

Hashirama can break Tsukoyomi. Itachi is no where near his Power. Madara would even crush Itachi gtfoh

 

[BLAZE]

Crow clones using Susanoo :lol what da hell.
30% of Itachi relicated clone couldn't even use Ama or Tsukuyomi and 50% of clone can use susanoo despite of the ill effects lmao

Genjutsu controls the CHAKRA of the mind and Hashiramas Chakra CANNOT be tamed. You LOSE

If he gets hit by Tsukuyomi he is done
Though he nvr gets hit becoz his speed and jutsu are of another tier

 

[Jokule67]

Crow clones using Susanoo :lol what da hell.
30% of Itachi relicated clone couldn't even use Ama or Tsukuyomi and 50% of clone can use susanoo despite of the ill effects lmao
If he gets hit by Tsukuyomi he is done
Though he nvr gets hit becoz his speed and jutsu are of another tier

Hashirama will not get one shotted by Tsukoyomi. Itachi would struggle trying to contain him. He would just surge his chakra and break free. Tsukoyomi will not be fatal against him.

 

[BLAZE]

Hashirama will not get one shotted by Tsukoyomi. Itachi would struggle trying to contain him. He would just surge his chakra and break free. Tsukoyomi will not be fatal against him.

Read what Tsukuyomi is and that is the worst crap i have ever read
Do you know DSM Kabuto was avoiding it for a reason

 

[NarutoX28]

Hashirama will not get one shotted by Tsukoyomi. Itachi would struggle trying to contain him. He would just surge his chakra and break free. Tsukoyomi will not be fatal against him.

That's if he can perceive the Genjutsu before it affects him.

Answer is, he won't because he's shit with Yin Release and it occurs instantaneously. If Itachi's capable of subduing a Perfect Jin in simple 3T Genjutsu for a few seconds, he can certainly contain Hashirama who possesses no advantages in resisting Genjutsu other than his strong chakra which is useless here.

 

[Jokule67]

That's if he can perceive the Genjutsu before it effects him.

Answer is, he won't because he's shit with Yin Release and it occurs instantaneously. If Itachi's capable of subduing a Perfect Jin in simple 3T Genjutsu for a few seconds, he can certainly contain Hashirama who possesses no advantages in resisting Genjutsu other than his strong chakra which is useless here.

You know Hashirama mastered tons of genjutsu right? He is not shit with yin release. Senju clan are masters in virtually all verses of jutsu.

He has gone up against the whole Uchiha clan since childhood and is reigning king of their whole war. Uchiha Clan>Itachi

Strong chakra able to contain Juubi is not useless lol

 

[Jokule67]

Read what Tsukuyomi is and that is the worst crap i have ever read
Do you know DSM Kabuto was avoiding it for a reason

Kabuto is not on Hashiramas level, not even close. Noone there was even on Madaras level.

You cannot compare Kabuto to Hashirama. Noone compares to him. Manga Facts.

 

[NarutoX28]

You know Hashirama mastered tons of genjutsu right? He is not shit with yin release. Senju clan are masters in virtually all verses of jutsu.

Nope, only Yang Release. He only displayed one Yin Release technique which hardly affected a Fatigued Hiruzen at all.

He has gone up against the whole Uchiha clan since childhood and is reigning king of their whole war.

Strong chakra able to contain Juubi is not useless lol

It sort of is or else Naruto wouldn't have been negged by Sharingan Genjutsu repeatedly. You're under the idea that Sharingan Genjutsu functions like any other Genjutsu which is absolutely false. Simply having strong chakras isn't enough anyways or else Naruto would've neg diffed Itachi's Finger Genjutsu.

 

[Jokule67]

Nope, only Yang Release. He only displayed one Yin Release technique which hardly affected a Fatigued Hiruzen at all.



It sort of is or else Naruto wouldn't have been negged by Sharingan Genjutsu repeatedly. You're under the idea that Sharingan Genjutsu functions like any other Genjutsu which is absolutely false. Simply having strong chakras isn't enough anyways or else Naruto would've neg diffed Itachi's Finger Genjutsu.

That was Hashirama at no where near his Real strength. Senju clan are masters of all verses of jutsu.

Senju Clan basically know everything(Clan of Athousamd hands).Uchiha Copy Everything.

Naruto doesnt compare to Hashirama. I dont know why people keep comparing fodders to Hashi. Its just stupid. Naruto HIMSELF is shit with Genjutsu. Not Hashirama who has a whole lifetimes worth experience against Sharingan and two Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

[NarutoX28]

That was Hashirama at no where near his Real strength. Senju clan are masters of all verses of jutsu.

Absolute fanfiction.

Doesn't matter if he wasn't at full strength, someone who was Kage Level should've enable to subdue a Fatigued Old Man with Genjutsu yet he couldn't. He was obviously shitty at it and is featless in Yin Release.

Senju Clan basically know everything(Clan of Athousamd hands).Uchiha Copy Everything.

Yeah and how does that prove that Senju were knowledgeable in Yin Release?

Naruto doesnt compare to Hashirama. I dont know why people keep comparing fodders to Hashi. Its just stupid. Naruto HIMSELF is shit with Genjutsu. Not Hashirama who has a whole lifetimes worth experience against Sharingan and two Mangekyou Sharingan.

So you agree Powerful Chakras aren't enough to break out of Genjutsu.

Hashirama is featless in Genjutsu as his Genjutsu against Hiruzen proves it. Having a lifetimes worth of experience against the Uchiha doesn't imply he has resistance against the Uchiha, only that he's capable of avoiding Sharingan Genjutsu as out of the times he's fought Madara, we never witnessed Madara trapping Hashirama into a genutsu.

 

[Jokule67]

Absolute fanfiction.

Doesn't matter if he wasn't at full strength, someone who was Kage Level should've enable to subdue a Fatigued Old Man with Genjutsu yet he couldn't. He was obviously shitty at it and is featless in Yin Release.



Yeah and how does that prove that Senju were knowledgeable in Yin Release?



So you agree Powerful Chakras aren't enough to break out of Genjutsu.

Hashirama is featless in Genjutsu as his Genjutsu against Hiruzen proves it. Having a lifetimes worth of experience against the Uchiha doesn't imply he has resistance against the Uchiha, only that he's capable of avoiding Sharingan Genjutsu as out of the times he's fought Madara, we never witnessed Madara trapping Hashirama into a genutsu.

Senju clan are masters of Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, and Genjutsu.

The genjutsu used by a fraction of Hashiramas power was to blind you, and take away the sound in an area. It worked perfectly. Hiruzen just sensed them and counter attacked. He cannot handle either of them at full power so stop using this to represemt Hashirama.

Naruto's chakra is not as powerful nor near as powerful as Hashirama. Thats what I'm saying. Hashirama himself can break from Tsukoyomi. I'm not saying anyone can. Just him and Madara. And of course Shisui.

 

[Strict]

Lol Totsuka blitzes you amateurs.

 

[BLAZE]

Kabuto is not on Hashiramas level, not even close. Noone there was even on Madaras level.

You cannot compare Kabuto to Hashirama. Noone compares to him. Manga Facts.

Lmao this the best you got huh
As i said read what Tsukuyomi is rather than making fanfics

 

[Lord Tywin]

Tobirama >Itachi

 

[NarutoX28]

Senju clan are masters of Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, and Genjutsu.

They're not unless you provide proof.

The only Senju who was literally a master in Ninjutsu was Tobirama and even he never displayed skill in Genjutsu. That actually belonged to Hiruzen.

The genjutsu used by a fraction of Hashiramas power was to blind you, and take away the sound in an area. It worked perfectly. Hiruzen just sensed them and counter attacked. He cannot handle either of them at full power so stop using this to represemt Hashirama.

Not really. It was an illusion that Hiruzen recognized immediately and hardly effected a Fatigued Old man. Hiruzen had to rely on his senses due to lack of chakra which diminished his own chakra control. When you compare people like Kurenai who weren't Kage Level whereas Part 1 Hashirama was, you'd realize that Hashirama had absolute shit Yin Release.

Naruto's chakra is not as powerful nor near as powerful as Hashirama. Thats what I'm saying. Hashirama himself can break from Tsukoyomi. I'm not saying anyone can. Just him and Madara. And of course Shisui.

Finger Genjutsu is no where near as powerful as Tsukyomi either. Naruto still has powerful chakras due to being Ashura's Transmigrant and have Kurama's Chakra mixed in as well which is the most potent chakra aside from Rikudou's Chakra yet he could never neg-diff Sharingan Genjutsu let alone Finger Genjutsu.

Madara and Shisui can due to inheriting the Uchiha's KKG and have skilled usage in Yin Release (esp. Shisui who's a Genjutsu Master). Hashirama has neither, so he will not break through it. Him being able to power through it is irrelevant when the effects happen instantaneously, so he will not be able to recognize it as a Genjutsu until the effects occur.

 

[Kushina san]

Actually, Hashirama's genjutsu is pretty strong.

Hiruzen (that has 5 in genjutsu in the databook) couldn't break edo Hashirama's Bringer of Darkness, the genjutsu is broken when Hiruzen he was taking the soul of Hashirama with Shiki fuujin... Edo Hashirama was also nerfed in the first series (more then in war arc) and he wasn't in SM when he used the genjutsu. SM enhances Ninjutsu, Taijutsu AND Genjutsu.

So yeah, Hashi is not like the Uchiha in genjutsu, but it's not a fodder.

Anyway, who cares, this does not change that Itachi has no chance, fact.

 

[Jokule67]

Lmao this the best you got huh
As i said read what Tsukuyomi is rather than making fanfics

Itachi cannot beat Hashirama. You have to come wuth something better than Tsukoyomi bru. Itll take Koto Amatsukami to take Hashi down. Come at me bro.

 

[Jokule67]

They're not unless you provide proof.

The only Senju who was literally a master in Ninjutsu was Tobirama and even he never displayed skill in Genjutsu. That actually belonged to Hiruzen.



Not really. It was an illusion that Hiruzen recognized immediately and hardly effected a Fatigued Old man. Hiruzen had to rely on his senses due to lack of chakra which diminished his own chakra control. When you compare people like Kurenai who weren't Kage Level whereas Part 1 Hashirama was, you'd realize that Hashirama had absolute shit Yin Release.



Finger Genjutsu is no where near as powerful as Tsukyomi either. Naruto still has powerful chakras due to being Ashura's Transmigrant and have Kurama's Chakra mixed in as well which is the most potent chakra aside from Rikudou's Chakra yet he could never neg-diff Sharingan Genjutsu let alone Finger Genjutsu.

Madara and Shisui can due to inheriting the Uchiha's KKG and have skilled usage in Yin Release (esp. Shisui who's a Genjutsu Master). Hashirama has neither, so he will not break through it. Him being able to power through it is irrelevant when the effects happen instantaneously, so he will not be able to recognize it as a Genjutsu until the effects occur.

You a fool Hasji and Tobirsma know All 5 elemental jutsus snd genjutsus. And Hashiramas chakra is above bijuus able to tame to ten tail. He has so much chakra he can go in SM instantly. Itachi is not beating him. You a fool of you think he can.

The only genjutsu to not be recognized is KA. Everything else can be recognized. Hadhirama WILL know when hes under genjutsu. And no Itachi can bind him. Hashi can pit him to sleep, supress his ninjustu, crush him to oblivion, syphon his chakra, fight at long range, change the terrain, fight with clones, control the environment, and ALL of his jutsu are a million times stronger than Itachis.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

I'm sorry but Itachi has no chance. Hashirama WINS.

 

[BLAZE]

Itachi cannot beat Hashirama.

Where did i say that he can beat hashi huh

You have to come wuth something better than Tsukoyomi bru. Itll take Koto Amatsukami to take Hashi down. Come at me bro.

If Tsukuyomi hits hashi is done though he won't be able catch him.Hashi does not fit the criteria of breaking it.How hard is that for you to understand