How fast is Naruto ?

[Berkenstiel]

Chakra build up was only used for amaterasu, iff you don't take any jutsu discrption or db fact, why use amenotojikara? Clearly you take db words as fact, but the temari thing got you guys hating on how fast naruto got

Chakra build up has been used for eye genjutsu as well.The description should only be taken as fact if it agrees with the manga. My ameno description talks about attack mechanics and its based on when sauske explains it. The temari thing is one of the more obvious ones.

 

[Uchihakil]

Chakra build up has been used for eye genjutsu as well.The description should only be taken as fact if it agrees with the manga. My ameno description talks about attack mechanics and its based on when sauske explains it. The temari thing is one of the more obvious ones.

It's obviously a hyperbole in temari's case, but lemme dig up another feat of naruto, BTW genjutsu does'nt have any buildup whatsoever, just like kamui,amenolimbo,shinra and other doujutsu abilities (otherwise ao or cee would've sensed danzou using KA on mifune, or cee would sense sasuke's buildup chakra before he used it on him) lemme get some other feats, stay with me

 

[The Demon Hawk]

All I can say is that Naruto is blazingly fast, fast enough for anything and to not be at a disadvantage against any sort of speeds or even teleportation. If it were to be quantified, it would technically be hypersonic as stated and depicted, though portrayal doesn't justify its caliber.

Naruto's speed is the second most inconsistent thing after Rinnenagan origins

Pretty much. But this issue is prominent with every single power, isn't it?

In his strongest form he is light speed thanks to this

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Only a dumbass would consider that light speed. You really think Madara turned his head at the speed of light? Fools.

Databook says its lightspeed, databook > your words, naruto has ftl reaction speed, he should be at relavistic + level

Overstatements suck, don't they? It makes fanboys think that their fav is actually on that level, just like you ^.

 

[Berkenstiel]

It's obviously a hyperbole in temari's case, but lemme dig up another feat of naruto, BTW genjutsu does'nt have any buildup whatsoever, just like kamui,amenolimbo,shinra and other doujutsu abilities (otherwise ao or cee would've sensed danzou using KA on mifune, or cee would sense sasuke's buildup chakra before he used it on him) lemme get some other feats, stay with me

Ao was able to see shisui chakra build up in Danzo's eye with byakugan

 

[NextGenNinja]

Sub revalstic. He dodged an attack that cut the moon in half in seconds while in kcsm.

 

[Detonator99]

Only a dumbass would consider that light speed. You really think Madara turned his head at the speed of light? Fools.

Who said that madara turning his head was light speed?Fool...
before madara had fired the attack he was already aiming straight to naruto just like in the anime...

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witch means that the reason as to why madara moved his head was to catch naruto who had moved horizontally after the attack was fired, and also it makes sense since madara was able to react to might guy who could bend space and naruto is stated in the databook to be faster then madara in speed(just ask i will show you) .

 

[Uchihakil]

We see naruto (in base) run a couple of steps towards an attack that extends at relavistic speeds, and yes he is in base as he shifted his cloak to his arm meaning the rest of his body is in base

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This is base naruto not sage mode, not KCM/BSM or RSM, he did that in base

 

[Uchihakil]

Ao was able to see shisui chakra build up in Danzo's eye with byakugan

He saw shisui's chakra signature

We also have hokage naruto in base instantly appearing before boruto

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[The Demon Hawk]

Who said that madara turning his head was light speed?Fool...
before madara had fired the attack he was already aiming straight to naruto just like in the anime...

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witch means that the reason as to why madara moved his head was to catch naruto who had moved horizontally after the attack was fired, and also it makes sense since madara was able to react to might guy who could bend space and naruto is stated in the databook to be faster then madara in speed(just ask i will show you) .

Firstly, lightning =/= light. So even if what you assume is true (which it is not), it still means Naruto is faster than lightning, which is only about 33% of the speed of light. So even perfectly going by what you say, Naruto still can't match the speed of light.

Secondly, lightning based attacks don't travel at the speed of lightning. Chidori Spear is made of lightning, yet it doesn't travel at the speed of lightning. So even if we assume Madara launched it directly at Naruto, it still doesn't even prove that Naruto is faster than the speed of lightning. He is only as fast as the time it took Madara to completely manifest the technique, which is unknown.

Thirdly, Madara was aiming right at Naruto BEFORE he launched the attack when Naruto was about to strike him. WHEN he launched the attack, Naruto's position with respect to Madara was not shown. And that matters, and even that is unknown. It could be possible that Naruto changed his position anticipating the attack since that instance was not shown. You're only assuming that Madara was facing Naruto when the attack was launched.

Fourthly, after the attack was launched (which is unknown in speed and position with respect to Naruto), it was reliant on Madara's head turning speed to hit Naruto, which was slower than Naruto's reflexes.

 

[Uchihakil]

Firstly, lightning =/= light. So even if what you assume is true (which it is not), it still means Naruto is faster than lightning, which is only about 33% of the speed of light. So even perfectly going by what you say, Naruto still can't match the speed of light.

Secondly, lightning based attacks don't travel at the speed of lightning. Chidori Spear is made of lightning, yet it doesn't travel at the speed of lightning. So even if we assume Madara launched it directly at Naruto, it still doesn't even prove that Naruto is faster than the speed of lightning. He is only as fast as the time it took Madara to completely manifest the technique, which is unknown.

Thirdly, Madara was aiming right at Naruto BEFORE he launched the attack when Naruto was about to strike him. WHEN he launched the attack, Naruto's position with respect to Madara was not shown. And that matters, and even that is unknown. It could be possible that Naruto changed his position anticipating the attack since that instance was not shown. You're only assuming that Madara was facing Naruto when the attack was launched.

Fourthly, after the attack was launched (which is unknown in speed and position with respect to Naruto), it was reliant on Madara's head turning speed to hit Naruto, which was slower than Naruto's reflexes.

Have you been following us?? The attack moves at light speed not lightning speed, stated in the db, and again, the attack CUTS at the speed of light, so madara's head spin has nothing to do with this

Official Translation: "A Ninjutsu used by
those who gained the Six Paths power,
they emit a beam of light to bisect the
enemy. Like a sharp and pointed fang, it
cuts all things with the speed of light,
making it impossible for the enemy to
evade even one swing."

 

[Detonator99]

Firstly,1-lightning =/= light. So even if what you assume is true (which it is not), it still means Naruto is faster than lightning, which is only about 2-33% of the speed of light. So even perfectly going by what you say, Naruto still can't match the speed of light.

3-Secondly, lightning based attacks don't travel at the speed of lightning. Chidori Spear is made of lightning, yet it doesn't travel at the speed of lightning. So even if we assume Madara launched it directly at Naruto, it still doesn't even prove that Naruto is faster than the speed of lightning. He is only as fast as the time it took Madara to completely manifest the technique, which is unknown.

4-Thirdly, Madara was aiming right at Naruto BEFORE he launched the attack when Naruto was about to strike him. WHEN he launched the attack, Naruto's position with respect to Madara was not shown. And that matters, and even that is unknown. It could be possible that Naruto changed his position anticipating the attack since that instance was not shown. You're only assuming that Madara was facing Naruto when the attack was launched.

5-Fourthly, after the attack was launched (which is unknown in speed and position with respect to Naruto), it was reliant on Madara's head turning speed to hit Naruto, which was slower than Naruto's reflexes.

1-where is that you are getting that says that the jutsu is lightning speed becouse as i stated above it says straight up that is light speed?

2-Lmao lightning is 33% the speed of light???? were are you getting this from? lightning is not even 1% the speed of light...

3-were is that you are getting this from...? but okay you know what i am going to accept that but guess what? lightning in the naruto-verse is stated to reach the ground in 1/1000th of a second

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that is mach 5000+

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meanwhile the lightning in our verse is only mach 286 so even if you wanted to downgrade it it would still be far faster then the normal lightning as we know.

4-Wong again naruto was stoped by the limbo madara so he was straight up an easy target as i showed to you and he never espected madara to launch the attack so just like the anime naruto would have only dodged the attack when it was already fired

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5- its not reliant on madara head turning speed becouse the attack was already focucused on naruto goudodama

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witch stays at th midle of naruto's head

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[The Demon Hawk]

Have you been following us??

No, not interested in following this false, illogical and biased crap. Just needed to state my point and that's all I did.

The attack moves at light speed not lightning speed, stated in the db,

Okay, so it's a DB hyperbole? Nice try. Because a lightning made attack can never move with the speed of light. You idiots fall for DB overstatements, not me.

and again, the attack CUTS at the speed of light,

What the hell is that supposed to mean? How does something "cut" at the speed of light unless the source moves it with the speed of light?

so madara's head spin has nothing to do with this

It has everything in the world to do with this, because that's what it's reliant on.

Official Translation: "A Ninjutsu used by
those who gained the Six Paths power,
they emit a beam of light to bisect the
enemy. Like a sharp and pointed fang, it
cuts all things with the speed of light,
making it impossible for the enemy to
evade even one swing."

Hmm.

1-where is that you are getting that says that the jutsu is lightning speed becouse as i stated above it says straight up that is light speed?

The jutsu is made of lightning. The best it can do is travel at the speed of lightning if it takes advantage of the respective property of the element. Something made of lightning can never travel with the speed of light unless the source (Madara) moves it with the speed of light, which he didn't. Lightning and light are two totally distant things, pal.

2-Lmao lightning is 33% the speed of light???? were are you getting this from? lightning is not even 1% the speed of light...

I was referring to the real world, just to give you the advantage which never existed. Using real world lightning speed technically favors your fanboyism, but it still doesn't do anything for you since even the part of your argument on which this relies is baseless and fallacious.

3-were is that you are getting this from...? but okay you know what i am going to accept that but guess what? lightning in the naruto-verse is stated to reach the ground in 1/1000th of a second

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that is mach 5000+

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meanwhile the lightning in our verse is only mach 286 so even if you wanted to downgrade it it would still be far faster then the normal lightning as we know.

I know how fast lightning in NV is. And in real world, it is 1/3 the speed of light, that's Mach 286.

4-Wong again naruto was stoped by the limbo madara so he was straight up an easy target as i showed to you and he never espected madara to launch the attack so just like the anime naruto would have only dodged the attack when it was already fired

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I don't care what the anime shows, it's not the official source of information so it isn't reliable. Give me manga references next time you want to argue. These pathetic attempts of including filler alterations as canon will not sway me in the slightest.

5- its not reliant on madara head turning speed becouse the attack was already focucused on naruto goudodama

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witch stays at th midle of naruto's head

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Prove that to me from manga scans, then I'll believe you.

 

[Uchihakil]

No, not interested in following this false, illogical and biased crap. Just needed to state my point and that's all I did.



Okay, so it's a DB hyperbole? Nice try. Because a lightning made attack can never move with the speed of light. You idiots fall for DB overstatements, not me.



What the hell is that supposed to mean? How does something "cut" at the speed of light unless the source moves it with the speed of light?



It has everything in the world to do with this, because that's what it's reliant on.



Hmm.



The jutsu is made of lightning. The best it can do is travel at the speed of lightning if it takes advantage of the respective property of the element. Something made of lightning can never travel with the speed of light unless the source (Madara) moves it with the speed of light, which he didn't. Lightning and light are two totally distant things, pal.



I was referring to the real world, just to give you the advantage which never existed. Using real world lightning speed technically favors your fanboyism, but it still doesn't do anything for you since even the part of your argument on which this relies is baseless and fallacious.



I know how fast lightning in NV is. And in real world, it is 1/3 the speed of light, that's Mach 286.



I don't care what the anime shows, it's not the official source of information so it isn't reliable. Give me manga references next time you want to argue. These pathetic attempts of including filler alterations as canon will not sway me in the slightest.



Prove that to me from manga scans, then I'll believe you.

Db hyperbole?? I already addressed that, and for crying out loud the attack is not a lightning based attack, its a light based attack, its a beam of f*cking light, not beam of lightning attack, just reread our convo instead of making us repeat ourselves please

 

[Berkenstiel]

He saw shisui's chakra signature

We also have hokage naruto in base instantly appearing before boruto

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Yup in the eye as he was going to use KA. Seeing the chakra is just another sense

Feats such as those are un-quantifiable. In part one kakashi's shunsisn made it look like he could teleport just like this. Impressive, fast maybe, but I don't see anything that hints light speed.

 

[GenKiDama]

Db hyperbole?? I already addressed that, and for crying out loud the attack is not a lightning based attack, its a light based attack, its a beam of f*cking light, not beam of lightning attack, just reread our convo instead of making us repeat ourselves please

-Magical beam of light-kun does not have the same properties as real light, IE: light doesn't bisect people, so don't assume that it would move at the same speed.

-The Databook is inconsistent and trash. Temari Universe level using her fan,Sakura on Naruto and sasukes level, Itachi is invincible,etc etc.

-Madara swung his head. which means that it being lightspeed actually means **** all because madara is not swinging his head at lightspeed.

-It being Lightspeed would be a outlier anyway since theres no other feat in nardo anywhere near close to it, not that anyone actually scales to it because no one actually dodged anything at lightspeed.

 

[Uchihakil]

Yup in the eye as he was going to use KA. Seeing the chakra is just another sense

Feats such as those are un-quantifiable. In part one kakashi's shunsisn made it look like he could teleport just like this. Impressive, fast maybe, but I don't see anything that hints light speed.

This is were you are wrong, KA was already in effect before Ao saw shisui's green chakra signature, when he saw mifune, he saw there was a problem with his chakra network, mifune was already influenced by KA

what bout the rest of the speed feats i gavem, are they also unquantifiable, the last naruto speed feat

 

[Detonator99]

The jutsu is made of lightning. The best it can do is travel at the speed of lightning if it takes advantage of the respective property of the element. Something made of lightning can never travel with the speed of light unless the source (Madara) moves it with the speed of light, which he didn't. Lightning and light are two totally distant things, pal.

Where the hell are you even taking this the jutsu is light fang and travel at the speed of light what more do you want? that kishi take the name storm release and give it the name of light release? guess what? he cant becouse he already added in as yang release witch focus on another thing instead he decided to give it a storm release who is diferent from lightning release understand now? the jutsu is made of light and travel at the speed of light by you saiying is not it means that you are doing nthing but ignore the autor statement.

I was referring to the real world, just to give you the advantage which never existed. Using real world lightning speed technically favors your fanboyism, but it still doesn't do anything for you since even the part of your argument on which this relies is baseless and fallacious.

No lol lightning its not even close 33% the speed of light you need to educate yourself in this department.

I know how fast lightning in NV is. And in real world, it is 1/3 the speed of light, that's Mach 286.

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No light travels at mach 900.000 How the hell is 286, 33% of that?!!
Listem to sub relativist ( is 1% light speed mach 9.000) relativist (is 10% light speed mach 90.000) understand now you just proved that you dint have any ideia of what you are talking about, saiying that lightning is 1/3... SMH

I don't care what the anime shows, it's not the official source of information so it isn't reliable. Give me manga references next time you want to argue. These pathetic attempts of including filler alterations as canon will not sway me in the slightest.

The anime can be used as source of information when the thing its not filler scene and doesnt contradict the manga... just like this

Prove that to me from manga scans, then I'll believe you.

But i already did, multiple times actualy...

Oh and also did i also tell you that might guy was moving at light speed and the same madara who is stated to be beneat of naruto speed was able to perceive him i got proof if want...

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Best Answer how object would look like moving at Light speed.

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Conclusion: This above examples proved my claims is accurate. Eight gates Guy did indeed moved at Light speed. His speed distorted space around him and Madara was able to cach his moviment being the one who noticed that he was distorting space .[/Center][/QUOTE]

so yeah it is what it is... i hope you learn something from this.

 

[Berkenstiel]

This is were you are wrong, KA was already in effect before Ao saw shisui's green chakra signature, when he saw mifune, he saw there was a problem with his chakra network, mifune was already influenced by KA

what bout the rest of the speed feats i gavem, are they also unquantifiable, the last naruto speed feat

Danzo never hit the Mifune with KA. If so he would have never gotten out of it. Ao saw that he was attempting to, this beacuse he detected shisui's eye color .

Well we cant tell how fast hes going.

 

[Uchihakil]

Danzo never hit the Mifune with KA. If so he would have never gotten out of it. Ao saw that he was attempting to, this beacuse he detected shisui's eye color .

Well we cant tell how fast hes going.

Then you need to reread the manga, as mifune was clearly influenced by KA, I will look for a scan later on

And no, we know toneri's attack moved at sub relavistic speeds( low balling the attack that is), and we can use that to know how fast naruto is, naruto in f*cking base moved a couple of steps TOWARDS the attack, he was'nt running away from the attack and it reached him, he ran TOWARDS the attack in BASE, he has like 3 - 4 stronger modes that enhances his speed and reflexes, that is SM, BM, BSM, and RSM, making four modes in total, and he was hanging around with sub relavistic speed in f*cking BASE, I keep stressing the Base for yous so that you know how fast my boy is in only base, and you think a naruto whose speed and reaction speed is greatly enhanced can't dodge a beam of light, when in base he was reacting to sub relavistic attack??

 

[Berkenstiel]

Then you need to reread the manga, as mifune was clearly influenced by KA, I will look for a scan later on

And no, we know toneri's attack moved at sub relavistic speeds( low balling the attack that is), and we can use that to know how fast naruto is, naruto in f*cking base moved a couple of steps TOWARDS the attack, he was'nt running away from the attack and it reached him, he ran TOWARDS the attack in BASE, he has like 3 - 4 stronger modes that enhances his speed and reflexes, that is SM, BM, BSM, and RSM, making four modes in total, and he was hanging around with sub relavistic speed in f*cking BASE, I keep stressing the Base for yous so that you know how fast my boy is in only base, and you think a naruto whose speed and reaction speed is greatly enhanced can't dodge a beam of light, when in base he was reacting to sub relavistic attack??

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No he asks if he influencing mifune.

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He he says no..

Where does it say toneri's attack was sub relativistic. Just assuming someone can be faster doesnt make them near light speed unless you have concrete feats. I dont think you understanding the gap between these speeds. Post the calcs that made this attack sub relatavistic

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Toneri's sword would've most likely been able to extend at mach 10000+ speed but naruto never reacted to it's extension speed but rather he reacted to Toneri swinging the sword which would've likely taken around 5 or 6 seconds to cut the moon i.e travel he diameter of the moon. This would result in around mach 2000 for Naruto's reaction speed and nothing more so this wouldn't change anything really.

High Hypersonic ^

You would have a case if naruto reacted to extension speed