Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. It has been a while.
I have noticed that quite a few (many) people are confused about what actually happened in chapter 687 when Naruto cut-off Kaguya's arm, which is understandable to some degree, so I thought I should make this thread to help clarifying a bit. But first, since I know some people will undeniably jump to conclusions :
By no means am I trying to downplay Naruto's speed, or strip him of one of his feats. I always give credit where it's due and this regardless of which character or even series is being discussed, Naruto is not an exception. So while reading please keep in mind that the only purpose of this thread is correcting a flawed misinterpretation that has, unfortunately, been around for too long doing the series more harm than good, both debates wise and consistency wise.
With that out of the way, we can start.
The misconception : Naruto is faster than Kaguya and can just speed blitz her
Origin :
Back in chapter 687 we saw a pissed off Naruto seemingly blitzing Kaguya and cutting her arm off.
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Flawed interpretation :
Naruto is fast enough to rush all the way towards Kaguya and cut her arm off faster than she could react. He is simply too fast for her and could have solo'd her if not for the sealing requirement.
Explanation & Counter Argument:
As I previously said, it's rather easy for people to misinterpret what happened in this instance, especially since Kaguya was never very liked (being polite here) or respected as a villain and people would rather hype the protagonist than justify the villains low-end feat. However, there is some context behind this feat that needs to be taken into account to get an objective view of what happened.
1) Kaguya slowed down due to being low on chakra :
I think that this is an obvious fact to anyone who read the fight. During the battle Kaguya was seen repetitively using her S-T jutsu Amenominaka, which is a justu that consumes massive amounts of chakra as stated by Black Zetsu.
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This was later confirmed by both Obito and Sasuke on two separate occasions :
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And as explained by BZ, Kaguya's speed and strength are proportional to how much chakra she has left :
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So one can safely say that Naruto would not be able to replicate the feat against a standard Kaguya, which seems obvious considering how he needed to use distractions to tag her previously.
2) Naruto did not reach Kaguya through sheer speed, he was teleported by Sasuke.
I know that some people must be like 'lol what ?' after reading this, but judging by the manga this is indeed what happened. What makes this obvious is the fact that Kishimoto has consistently been shown to use two distinct SFXs for speed/Shunshin jutsus and Space-time Ninjutsu.
For instance here are a few examples of people using Shunshin/speed, notice the SFX used.
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And here are instances of people using S-T ninjutsu, notice that a different SFX is used.
Hiraishin :
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Amenominaka :
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Amenotejikira :
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Now comparing to the SFX shown when Naruto 'blitzed' Kaguya :
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That SFX is very clearly the one used for Space-time Ninjutsu, so unless Naruto has some unknown S-T jutsu which he can only use once in his life, I think that it's more logical to assume that Sasuke who was next to him and happens to be a S-T ninjutsu user teleported him.
Certainly, there have been instances of missing SFXs before, so before the argument shows up let me just say that the lack of S-T SFX in these instance, like Madara getting stabbed by the teleported sword for example, is due to a more important, louder or simply more recent SFX taking it's place, and that this does not in any way affect the solidity of the argument, as it's quite normal for a 'getting stabbed' SFX to be present in a scene where someone got stabbed even in the S-T SFX is not present, but one can't say that it's normal for a space-time teleportation SFX to be found where (supposedly) no S-T took place.
Once again, I'd like to point out that this thread isn't meant to downplay Naruto in any way and I certainly hope that people will not derail it into some Naruto vs Sasuke speed debate because that has nothing to do with what I'm discussing.
This is undeniable that without Sasuke Naruto couldnt defeat Kaguya... but you cant deny that Naruto outperformed Sasuke in that battle in every possible way.
This is undeniable that without Sasuke Naruto couldnt defeat Kaguya... but you cant deny that Naruto outperformed Sasuke in that battle in every possible way.
There is no proof that Naruto was teleported. Also if he was that would be a level of team work that they never displayed before. How would Naruto know that he was gonna be teleported? He would probably be surprised and attempt to attack, by then Kaguya would notice or counter attack.
Except it was fanfic to made up things that not even Kishimoto confirmed.
Naruto was confirmed by the Author's word that he outspeed/reflex Kaguya so your post and ur fella is pretty useless.
Sasuke is weaker than naruto and kaguya arc is the major evidence of it.
Only SB hyped that Sasuke is equal to the naruto which is complete BS.
If Sasuke is equal to naruto then why did sasuke need 9 bijuu's chakra to compete with holding backing naruto?
of course there will be some people who will deny this fact U_U
Except it was fanfic to made up things that not even Kishimoto confirmed.
Naruto was confirmed by the Author's word that he outspeed/reflex Kaguya so your post and ur fella is pretty useless.
