Why do people think Naruto and Sasuke can't be killed or defeated?

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It is true that Naruto and Sasuke are rikudou level shinobi, but their power is not infinite, nor are their techniques unbeatable. Think about it:

What if an enemy such as Kawaki possesses the ability to speed up, slow down and stop time? For all we know, that could be the tattoo's power. We all know that Naruto's specialty is raw fire power with nukes such as bijuu bombs and rasenshurikens, and other things of the sort. However, if Kawaki could stop time, then all of Naruto's fire power becomes irrelevant. Kawaki could just freeze time and then cut off Naruto's head!

That is just one example of a way that Naruto could potentially be beaten. Here is another way:

What if Kawaki's ability allows him to passively absorb all chakara that comes into contact with his body? In other words what if his ability works like this:

Naruto shoots a bijuu dama at Kawaki. It hits Kawaki (who has his hands tied behind his back), but Kawaki's body just automatically absorbs it without Kawaki making any effort to do so. Naruto hits Kawaki with a rasengan and then smacks him with a chakara arm. Kawaki's body absorbs them both. RSM Naruto simply touches Kawaki. Kawaki's body absorbs the whole cloak. Etc...

What if Kawaki's power works like that? If that is the case, then there goes about 99% of Naruto's arsenal! That would also deal with all of Sasuke's mangekyou techniques, and most offensive abilities of the rinnegan!

What if Kawaki's power allows him to turn all of the oxygen in the area into carbon monoxide? RSM, rinnegan, etc... None of it matters if they suffocate to death!

Do you guys see my point? Even rikudou level shinobi can be beaten if the enemy has the right type of technique!

Not to mention, Kawaki could be rikudou level himself, perhaps a stronger rikudou level than Naruto and Sasuke. Madara and Kaguya were stronger rikudou levels than Naruto and Sasuke. That alone shows that it is possible for someone to be stronger than those two.

In fact, if you think that Naruto and Sasuke can't be beaten, you are making a very strong assertion. You are asserting that:

Naruto and Sasuke are the strongest characters in anime history from any series ever! We know that this is not true.
 

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This sounds similar to my post before
 

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Because JJ Madara couldn't kill them and no one else has that level of power.
 

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You'd think that the past rikudou chakra or level people that past, this would be no surprise.
 
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Proof of JJ Madara defeat at their hand?

Proof of JJ Madara killing them ? He needed Kaguya's power to defeat them :bdpf:

Maybe Kawaki is stronger than both Sasuke and Rikudou Madara.

Nope, Kawaki is Akatsuki level at best. I read your thread and absorbing chakra wouldn't be a big deal because a body has a limit to how much energy it can absorb and Naruto can produce more than what anyone can handle.

In addition Sasuke doesn't need to rely on ninjutsu to kill opponents, he has his katana and other jutsu like Human Path or Susano'o
 

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Proof of JJ Madara killing them ? He needed Kaguya's power to defeat them :bdpf:



Nope, Kawaki is Akatsuki level at best. I read your thread and absorbing chakra wouldn't be a big deal because a body has a limit to how much energy it can absorb and Naruto can produce more than what anyone can handle.

In addition Sasuke doesn't need to rely on ninjutsu to kill opponents, he has his katana and other jutsu like Human Path or Susano'o


Bold: All arbitrary assumptions. We don't know what those tattoos do. They could potentially allow his body to passively absorb an unlimited amount of chakara. That is the thing about never before seen powers like these tattoos. You can't assume what they can and can't do. Kawaki may be an exception to usual logic. Also, susanoo is made of chakara, so that would get absorbed too.

Anyway, you're too fixated on the particular example of the chakara absorption ability. His ability could just as easily be the time control or the carbon monoxide abilities or something else much stronger. We simply do not know at this point.

You're limiting Kawaki's potential before the kid is actually even formally introduced in the present time.
 

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Proof of JJ Madara killing them ? He needed Kaguya's power to defeat them :bdpf:



Nope, Kawaki is Akatsuki level at best. I read your thread and absorbing chakra wouldn't be a big deal because a body has a limit to how much energy it can absorb and Naruto can produce more than what anyone can handle.

In addition Sasuke doesn't need to rely on ninjutsu to kill opponents, he has his katana and other jutsu like Human Path or Susano'o

Madara also never had a chance to defeat them after he acquired Kaguya's level of power. It can go both way

What I want to tell you here your reasoning actually pretty weak bcus it was base on non-exist outcome. I many times informed you to think wisely before posting.

Also their showing in Boruto and Gaiden suggest that they are not on the level of JJ Madara anymore. At best on fused Momoshiki level.

Nerf or not, that was the fact.
 
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Shouldn't even be possible unless he had some crazy space time or sealing power.

I noted that as a possibility in the OP. Maybe he does have a crazy space time or sealing power. Like I said, we have no idea what the tattoos do.
 

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I know you're trying to gauge this new kid's strength but it's disgusting. I much prefer the theory that he can restrict bijuu power or something .
 

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Maybe they DROWNED

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I know you're trying to gauge this new kid's strength but it's disgusting. I much prefer the theory that he can restrict bijuu power or something .

What is disgusting about it?

Anyway, it is not so much as me guaging his power. More so, I am just pointing out the fact that any shinobi could still beat a rikudou level shinobi if they have the right techniques.
 
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