Uzumaki and Kurama!

[shelke]

Jesus Christ, Minato fans are dumb as a pile of rocks! He wasn't a Jin. Get over yourselves.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Pile of rocks ftw.

 

[Prince Badman]

Here is Minato's profile. He is listed as a Sagemode user and summoner, but not a jinchuuriki. Why isn't listed as a jinchuuriki? Because the sacrifice requires a living host, if the jinchuuriki dies than the bijuu gets revived immediately.

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Anyone convincing you that Minato was a jinchuuriki is spitting nonsense to you. If Minato became the actual jinchuuriki and died to DeathGod, the bijuu would revive again and kill naruto and kushina. The only way minato was able to receive kyuubi chakra mode is because of the power of the "Shiki Fuunijin."

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i think it could be seen like this...Minato sealed the kyubi within himself using shiki fujin....since many aspects of shiki fujin have not been explained i will say Minato sort of became a pseudo jinchuriki.....otherwise he would have been limited to KCM only...yes his original design was KCM and that was his mode but later he underwent a full biju transformation and there is no denying that fact...

I searched about shiki fujin a bit and i found this...i don't know how reliable is this but the fact about soul not reaching the pure land has been stated in one of the official sources......

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i thing that i also noticed is that the seal sign of shiki fujin is quite similar to eight trigrams seal....the things we are sure about are:-
1. Minato underwent full biju transformation.
2. He was communicating with Kyubi like a jinchuriki
3. He was stuck in a realm that was neither living not entirely dead thus Kyubi wasn't revived again also the reason Orochimaru had to first free their sould to revive them as Edo tensei...

The facts are leading towards the conclusion that Minato was a sort of a pseudo jin who had same powers as that of a genuine jinchuriki

 

[shelke]

i think it could be seen like this...Minato sealed the kyubi within himself using shiki fujin....since many aspects of shiki fujin have not been explained i will say Minato sort of became a pseudo jinchuriki.....otherwise he would have been limited to KCM only...yes his original design was KCM and that was his mode but later he underwent a full biju transformation and there is no denying that fact...

I searched about shiki fujin a bit and i found this...i don't know how reliable is this but the fact about soul not reaching the pure land has been stated in one of the official sources......

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i thing that i also noticed is that the seal sign of shiki fujin is quite similar to eight trigrams seal....the things we are sure about are:-
1. Minato underwent full biju transformation.
2. He was communicating with Kyubi like a jinchuriki
3. He was stuck in a realm that was neither living not entirely dead thus Kyubi wasn't revived again also the reason Orochimaru had to first free their sould to revive them as Edo tensei...

The facts are leading towards the conclusion that Minato was a sort of a pseudo jin who had same powers as that of a genuine jinchuriki

He didn't. Already posted a series of scans as to what happened with Hiruzen. The souls are eaten by the Shinigami separately. They all end up in its stomach.

 

[Prince Badman]

He didn't. Already posted a series of scans as to what happened with Hiruzen. The souls are eaten by the Shinigami separately. They all end up in its stomach.

i know they all end up in shinigami's stomach .....but then explain minato's BM? and the way he was communicating with Kyubi in the psychic plane..even Obito's rinne binds were not able to reach that place...thats why i said he is a pseudo not a real jin

 

[End of Days]

Good, I pray it's stage 4.

lmao 18 likes

savage asf

 

[shelke]

i know they all end up in shinigami's stomach .....but then explain minato's BM? and the way he was communicating with Kyubi in the psychic plane..even Obito's rinne binds were not able to reach that place...thats why i said he is a pseudo not a real jin

A link has been posted for that on the previous page as well.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

i think it could be seen like this...Minato sealed the kyubi within himself using shiki fujin....since many aspects of shiki fujin have not been explained i will say Minato sort of became a pseudo jinchuriki.....otherwise he would have been limited to KCM only...yes his original design was KCM and that was his mode but later he underwent a full biju transformation and there is no denying that fact...

You're getting there but it's not quit it. The caption says that he is using Shiki fuunijin, by using the benefits of the seal he was able to go into kcm because his power/chakra was sealed together with the kyuubi. When Orochimaru released the previous kages, Minato's chakra was bind to the white zetsu body with the kyuubi's chakra. That means the yin kyuubi and minato are sharing one edo tensei sacrificed body.
And the only reason why he is able to do this is because the shiki fuuijin seal kept their chakra together. It was this comprise that gave him this exception.
What separates him from an actual jinchuuriki is that he can transfer that chakra he's been sealed with without even dying, even a bijuu.

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But an actual jinchuuriki needs to be extracted.

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That's part of the reasons why he's not a jinchuuriki, he'll be breaking all the rules.

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Also jinchuurikis are incapable of transferring a whole bijuu like that, they'll die.

I searched about shiki fujin a bit and i found this...i don't know how reliable is this but the fact about soul not reaching the pure land has been stated in one of the official sources......

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They don't reach the pure land if their soul is trapped in the DeathGod's belly. And even the naruto wiki is unclear of how it works.

During his discussion with Kushina on how to deal with the Nine-Tails, Minato stated: "The fūinjutsu I — not being a jinchūriki — am able to use is… the Shiki Fūjin!" (「人柱力なでいオレができる封印術は屍鬼封尽!」, "Jinchūriki na denai ore ga dekiru fūinjutsu wa Shiki Fūjin!") What he meant by this is unclear as the Hokage did not elaborate.[6]

So you can't trust it 100%.

i thing that i also noticed is that the seal sign of shiki fujin is quite similar to eight trigrams seal....the things we are sure about are:-
1. Minato underwent full biju transformation.
2. He was communicating with Kyubi like a jinchuriki
3. He was stuck in a realm that was neither living not entirely dead thus Kyubi wasn't revived again also the reason Orochimaru had to first free their sould to revive them as Edo tensei...

He's using the shiki fuuijin seal to compromise with the fox as the databook says. He was sealed together with the fox, the fox was not sealed within his own body.

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It's different from a jinchuuriki and it's a lot less risky. You need to remember this.
1. Jinchuuriki's need to extract their bijuus to loose it, they can't transfer it like Minato.
2. Jinchuuriki's need to be alive
3. Minato and Yin kurama were binded to a white zetsu sacrifice for edo tensei, jinchuurikis can't do that they need to be sealed within one body.

The facts are leading towards the conclusion that Minato was a sort of a pseudo jin who had same powers as that of a genuine jinchuriki

He doesn't have the same powers of a jinchuuriki, jinchuurikis can actually use the bijuus and powers while Minato can only pull of the appearance of the bijuu he is sharing edo bodies with.
You can call it a pseudo jinch if you want but he's not actually a jinchuuriki. A jinchuuriki can use the kkg power, bijuudama, and transformation of the beast. Minato's capability of switching with Yin kurama is because the shiki fuunijin seal holds their chakra together.

 

[shelke]

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You're getting there but it's not quit it. The caption says that he is using Shiki fuunijin, by using the benefits of the seal he was able to go into kcm because his power/chakra was sealed together with the kyuubi. When Orochimaru released the previous kages, Minato's chakra was bind to the white zetsu body with the kyuubi's chakra. That means the yin kyuubi and minato are sharing one edo tensei sacrificed body.
And the only reason why he is able to do this is because the shiki fuuijin seal kept their chakra together. It was this comprise that gave him this exception.
What separates him from an actual jinchuuriki is that he can transfer that chakra he's been sealed with without even dying, even a bijuu.

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But an actual jinchuuriki needs to be extracted.

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That's part of the reasons why he's not a jinchuuriki, he'll be breaking all the rules.

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Also jinchuurikis are incapable of transferring a whole bijuu like that, they'll die.


They don't reach the pure land if their soul is trapped in the DeathGod's belly. And even the naruto wiki is unclear of how it works.

So you can't trust it 100%.

He's using the shiki fuuijin seal to compromise with the fox as the databook says. He was sealed together with the fox, the fox was not sealed within his own body.

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It's different from a jinchuuriki and it's a lot less risky. You need to remember this.
1. Jinchuuriki's need to extract their bijuus to loose it, they can't transfer it like Minato.
2. Jinchuuriki's need to be alive
3. Minato and Yin kurama were binded to a white zetsu sacrifice for edo tensei, jinchuurikis can't do that they need to be sealed within one body.

He doesn't have the same powers of a jinchuuriki, jinchuurikis can actually use the bijuus and powers while Minato can only pull of the appearance of the bijuu he is sharing edo bodies with.
You can call it a pseudo jinch if you want but he's not actually a jinchuuriki. A jinchuuriki can use the kkg power, bijuudama, and transformation of the beast. Minato's capability of switching with Yin kurama is because the shiki fuunijin seal holds their chakra together.

Wait, that means he isn't even a Jin in Edo form? Am I correct?

 

[Prince Badman]

You're getting there but it's not quit it. The caption says that he is using Shiki fuunijin, by using the benefits of the seal he was able to go into kcm because his power/chakra was sealed together with the kyuubi. When Orochimaru released the previous kages, Minato's chakra was bind to the white zetsu body with the kyuubi's chakra. That means the yin kyuubi and minato are sharing one edo tensei sacrificed body.
And the only reason why he is able to do this is because the shiki fuuijin seal kept their chakra together. It was this comprise that gave him this exception.
What separates him from an actual jinchuuriki is that he can transfer that chakra he's been sealed with without even dying, even a bijuu.

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But an actual jinchuuriki needs to be extracted.

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That's part of the reasons why he's not a jinchuuriki, he'll be breaking all the rules.

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Also jinchuurikis are incapable of transferring a whole bijuu like that, they'll die.


They don't reach the pure land if their soul is trapped in the DeathGod's belly. And even the naruto wiki is unclear of how it works.

So you can't trust it 100%.

He's using the shiki fuuijin seal to compromise with the fox as the databook says. He was sealed together with the fox, the fox was not sealed within his own body.

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It's different from a jinchuuriki and it's a lot less risky. You need to remember this.
1. Jinchuuriki's need to extract their bijuus to loose it, they can't transfer it like Minato.
2. Jinchuuriki's need to be alive
3. Minato and Yin kurama were binded to a white zetsu sacrifice for edo tensei, jinchuurikis can't do that they need to be sealed within one body.

He doesn't have the same powers of a jinchuuriki, jinchuurikis can actually use the bijuus and powers while Minato can only pull of the appearance of the bijuu he is sharing edo bodies with.
You can call it a pseudo jinch if you want but he's not actually a jinchuuriki. A jinchuuriki can use the kkg power, bijuudama, and transformation of the beast. Minato's capability of switching with Yin kurama is because the shiki fuunijin seal holds their chakra together.

you make good points....minato is indeed breaking all the rules.....but an Edo is already dead so he really can't die now can he? i think both their chakra sort of actually fused together making him even more than a jin to be honest....he never used the bijudama or kkg but we don't know whether he could have or not...its the same debate as whether or not Sasuke can use all 7 paths.........also the reason why Minato's and kyubi's chakra was bound to the same body is out of character...that Kyubi chakra could have gone to any of the other kage...or heck why didn't any of the two kage fuse together and Kyubi occupied a single body..it means there was a certain link between Minato's chakra and Kyubi's chakra....Minato himself being a sealing expert(i am calling him an expert because of the feats he did in sealing...sealing his own chakra and Kushina's in naruto's seal) could have modified the shiki fujin seal so that he actually became a pseudo jin......tbh he actually overcame all the weaknesses of a real jin

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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Wait, that means he isn't even a Jin in Edo form? Am I correct?

No he's not, he's not even alive to be a jinchuuriki, he's just undead.

 

[shelke]

No he's not, he's not even alive to be a jinchuuriki, he's just undead.

No, I am fully aware that he wasn't a Jin when alive. Any person who can read properly (and isn't a deluded Minato fan) can see that given how the bodies end up within the Shinigami: a separate food for its stomach.

How is he able to use BM, as I haven't really been up to date with the new DB IV Translations.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

you make good points....minato is indeed breaking all the rules.....but an Edo is already dead so he really can't die now can he? i think both their chakra sort of actually fused together making him even more than a jin to be honest....he never used the bijudama or kkg but we don't know whether he could have or not...its the same debate as whether or not Sasuke can use all 7 paths.........also the reason why Minato's and kyubi's chakra was bound to the same body is out of character...that Kyubi chakra could have gone to any of the other kage...or heck why didn't any of the two kage fuse together and Kyubi occupied a single body..it means there was a certain link between Minato's chakra and Kyubi's chakra....Minato himself being a sealing expert(i am calling him an expert because of the feats he did in sealing...sealing his own chakra and Kushina's in naruto's seal) could have modified the shiki fujin seal so that he actually became a pseudo jin......tbh he actually overcame all the weaknesses of a real jin

It's because the kyuubi was sealed together with minato's chakra in the deahgod that you're convinced that he's a jinchuuriki, which I understand. But being fused together after death doesn't make you a jinchuuriki. JInchuuriki's are not fused together like Minato and Yin kurama, they are separate entities that depend on each others chakra and lives. Whatever damage the bijuu feels the same thing the host feels. Just know this, everything Minato is using is the power of the Shiki fuuinjin. It's a comprise that allowed yin kurama and minato work togeher. It's confusing but you can see the difference you look carefully. Whatever repercussions Minato goes through the yin kurama doesn't share the same deal as minato and the same vice versa. Jinchuurikis are an all for one deal but at least with them they are able to utilize the power of their bijuu because they are using the host chakra as well. Remember the 8:2 and the time limit they're able to keep the bijuus out? The host goes through a great deal of chakra to keep the link between them strong.
Also Sasuke isn't using nagato's 6paths, we can't assume that certain characters can do this without them showing it or specifying that they can.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No, I am fully aware that he wasn't a Jin when alive. Any person who can read properly (and isn't a deluded Minato fan) can see that given how the bodies end up within the Shinigami: a separate food for its stomach.

How is he able to use BM, as I haven't really been up to date with the new DB IV Translations.

Well minato's chakra was sealed together with Kurama, that's why he was able to use kcm. But the reason why Minato was able to transform is because of the highlighted words here. It was a compromise used by shiki fuuinjin.

"I’ll go first and scout out its abilities!"
Using “Shiki Fuujin”, his own chakra had been sealed together with the Kyuubi’s half body in reconciliation (compromise).
Gaining the impressive “Kyuubi Chakra Mode”!!

His chakra and kurama share the same white zetsu sacrifice edo body. So they can switch on and off as a jinchuuriki but they can't share that link like an actual jinchuuriki.

 

[Prince Badman]

It's because the kyuubi was sealed together with minato's chakra in the deahgod that you're convinced that he's a jinchuuriki, which I understand. But being fused together after death doesn't make you a jinchuuriki. JInchuuriki's are not fused together like Minato and Yin kurama, they are separate entities that depend on each others chakra and lives. Whatever damage the bijuu feels the same thing the host feels. Just know this, everything Minato is using is the power of the Shiki fuuinjin. It's a comprise that allowed yin kurama and minato work togeher. It's confusing but you can see the difference you look carefully. Whatever repercussions Minato goes through the yin kurama doesn't share the same deal as minato and the same vice versa. Jinchuurikis are an all for one deal but at least with them they are able to utilize the power of their bijuu because they are using the host chakra as well. Remember the 8:2 and the time limit they're able to keep the bijuus out? The host goes through a great deal of chakra to keep the link between them strong.
Also Sasuke isn't using nagato's 6paths, we can't assume that certain characters can do this without them showing it or specifying that they can.

and that is why i am saying that Minato is more than a normal jin......he and kurama are separate...we saw that in your panels and mine...they had different consciousness and were even separated later on...that damage thing is only in the Biju transformation and not in normal or base form...8:2 was the balance for bijudama as far as i can recollect...Minato didn't fight too long in BM so we can't say about the time limit..but when he gave his chakra to Naruto he returned to his base form to refill chakra before going into KCM again....i know that there is a subtle difference but the similarities are striking too...also the differences we are quoting actually in a way surpass a normal jin

 

[shelke]

Well minato's chakra was sealed together with Kurama, that's why he was able to use kcm. But the reason why Minato was able to transform is because of the highlighted words here. It was a compromise used by shiki fuuinjin.

His chakra and kurama share the same white zetsu sacrifice edo body. So they can switch on and off as a jinchuuriki but they can't share that link like an actual jinchuuriki.

So, it's because they were brought back in a single body? Which means he won't be able to break from a Genjutsu if put in one, I imagine?

It seems like a very sketchy writing though. Poor ...

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

and that is why i am saying that Minato is more than a normal jin......he and kurama are separate...we saw that in your panels and mine...they had different consciousness and were even separated later on...that damage thing is only in the Biju transformation and not in normal or base form...8:2 was the balance for bijudama as far as i can recollect...Minato didn't fight too long in BM so we can't say about the time limit..but when he gave his chakra to Naruto he returned to his base form to refill chakra before going into KCM again....i know that there is a subtle difference but the similarities are striking too...also the differences we are quoting actually in a way surpass a normal jin

It does surpass a normal jinchuuriki in a few aspects but he needs to remain dead for him to pull off this feat. If he ges revived via rinne tensei, he loses the yin kurama inside the deathgod forever (But he transferred it to naruto so thankfully that's not the case).
And to specificity what I meant (because I was being misleading) Minato is a separate entity as you said but in mind and chakra they are different.

Better example would be this.

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The glass is the edo vessel, the oil is minato, and the water is yin kurama. You get what I mean by this right?

While a jinchuuriki would be this orange mix.

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The cup is the vessel, the water is the vessel's chakra and the orange mix is the bijuu.

So what Bee went through here, Minato doesn't experience this.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

So, it's because they were brought back in a single body? Which means he won't be able to break from a Genjutsu if put in one, I imagine?

It seems like a very sketchy writing though. Poor ...

Uhm, that part I have no clue about and I have no proof from the manga or databook about it.
Genjustsus get broken if the bijuu disrupts the hosts chakra but the host of these two chakras is the white zetsus here.

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So it feels like it's kinda useless to put an edo tensei in a genjutsu because they're under the casters control, and I'm guessing that's why Itachi didn't one-shot nagato wih his tsukyomi.
But if minato was revived alive again he wouldn't have the yin kurama because it wasn't sealed in his own body.

 

[shelke]

Uhm, that part I have no clue about and I have no proof from the manga or databook about it.
Genjustsus get broken if the bijuu disrupts the hosts chakra but the host of these two chakras is the white zetsus here.

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So it feels like it's kinda useless to put an edo tensei in a genjutsu because they're under the casters control, and I'm guessing that's why Itachi didn't one-shot nagato wih his tsukyomi.
But if minato was revived alive again he wouldn't have the yin kurama because it wasn't sealed in his own body.

Sound Genjutsu absolutely worked on Itachi and so did Sasuke's when they super-imposed genjutsu on genjutsu to break out of one.

So, basically ... what I have been able to ascertain that it's a vague link? If it is one then it isn't partnership like Perfect Jins have.

 

[Michael]

Sound Genjutsu absolutely worked on Itachi and so did Sasuke's when they super-imposed genjutsu on genjutsu to break out of one.

So, basically ... what I have been able to ascertain that it's a vague link? If it is one then it isn't partnership like Perfect Jins have.

Crawl back into dantools pouch. You know nothing of this manga.