[VS] Blackbeard vs Akainu

[Punk Hazard]

What i meant to say was if he was so confident to challenge the legend pair of marines(sengoku & garp) and thinks he can beat those two in battle.He can beat akainu mid-diff.Because sengoku+garp>>akainu

But he was shown to not be confident in beating Akainu when he ran, so wouldn't that be him knowing he couldn't beat Akainu?

 

[loj]

How does Teach come back from losing limbs in a situation like this

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Who cares? Current Luffy could defeat Ace too, he's gonna rekt Akainu?

Same how Akainu got away with that gura gura direct attack...since really...in different ocasions Akainu would have been dead but Oda had other things in mind with Akainu...I'm pretty sure a Yonko would be more under control than being as careless as he was 2 years ago...

@Bold that was so shit I don't even know what you meant by this >_> How the phuc this makes any sense....

 

[Punk Hazard]

Same how Akainu got away with that gura gura direct attack...

Gura Gura and Magu Magu don't work the same way though. Both Akainu and Teach can withstand the crushing force. Having your limb removed though can't just be ignored with stamina.

since really...in different ocasions Akainu would have been dead but Oda had other things in mind with Akainu...I'm pretty sure a Yonko would be more under control than being as careless as he was 2 years ago...

Says who? You have any proof that Teach isn't careless? Speculation=/=argument.

@Bold that was so shit I don't even know what you meant by this >_> How the phuc this makes any sense....

Of course you don't, I'm not surprised.

You're saying that Teach had enough power to beat Ace. I'm saying that that doesn't translate to having the power to beat Akainu. Luffy atm has the power to beat Ace. Does that mean he has the power to beat Akainu?

 

[loj]

Gura Gura and Magu Magu don't work the same way though. Both Akainu and Teach can withstand the crushing force. Having your limb removed though can't just be ignored with stamina.



Says who? You have any proof that Teach isn't careless? Speculation=/=argument.


Of course you don't, I'm not surprised.

You're saying that Teach had enough power to beat Ace. I'm saying that that doesn't translate to having the power to beat Akainu. Luffy atm has the power to beat Ace. Does that mean he has the power to beat Akainu?

I know by a fact that him as a Yonko is strong enough to know what he can do and what he can't do.If he was so careless and reckless he would go ape and attack all yonkos and marines >_> I'm pretty sure he knows who's Akainu and what he can do to him if he is careless enough to remove his limbs...I'm 100% sure he thought he was stronger than Ace so he didn't take him so serious as he would take Akainu serious.

No lol I said Teach had enough control of Yami to defeat Ace where he didn't have as much control over Gura as Yami what you on about? I said he'd rather develop and control Gura Gura to same extent then just develop Yami more and leave Gura undeveloped :|

 

[Punk Hazard]

I know by a fact that him as a Yonko is strong enough to know what he can do and what he can't do.If he was so careless and reckless he would go ape and attack all yonkos and marines >_>

That's exactly what he did when he found out where Baltigo was. When they found no one there, they ravaged the island, showing they're just as savage as usual.

I'm pretty sure he knows who's Akainu and what he can do to him if he is careless enough to remove his limbs

Knowing what Akainu can do=/=being able to avoid it 100% of the time.

I'm 100% sure he thought he was stronger than Ace so he didn't take him so serious as he would take Akainu serious.

So you're essentially admitting that he doesn't think he's stronger than Akainu?

No lol I said Teach had enough control of Yami to defeat Ace where he didn't have as much control over Gura as Yami what you on about?

I understand this. I'm saying that doesn't really mean as much as you think. Ace can be defeated by Luffy as he is atm pretty handily. And he isn't anywhere near the potential of his fruit to defeat Akainu. What I'm trying to get across to you is that Teach probably still needs to work on his Yami Yami no Mi to contend with Akainu, the same way Luffy does with the Gomu Gomu no Mi.

I said he'd rather develop and control Gura Gura to same extent then just develop Yami more and leave Gura undeveloped :|

Okay? This is what I said earlier. He'd have to split his focus so one wouldn't become underdeveloped. Which is why he wouldn't be at his full potential with either yet.

 

[sravan]

But he was shown to not be confident in beating Akainu when he ran, so wouldn't that be him knowing he couldn't beat Akainu?

He didnt have a reason to fight akainu.He may loose crew members or receive serious injuries in the fight....But if he has a reason to fight akainu i think he can win with some injuries....

 

[loj]

That's exactly what he did when he found out where Baltigo was. When they found no one there, they ravaged the island, showing they're just as savage as usual.


Knowing what Akainu can do=/=being able to avoid it 100% of the time.


So you're essentially admitting that he doesn't think he's stronger than Akainu?


I understand this. I'm saying that doesn't really mean as much as you think. Ace can be defeated by Luffy as he is atm pretty handily. And he isn't anywhere near the potential of his fruit to defeat Akainu. What I'm trying to get across to you is that Teach probably still needs to work on his Yami Yami no Mi to contend with Akainu, the same way Luffy does with the Gomu Gomu no Mi.


Okay? This is what I said earlier. He'd have to split his focus so one wouldn't become underdeveloped. Which is why he wouldn't be at his full potential with either yet.

You alone said BB backed off that he is not as strong as Shanks and Akainu at that point which was 2 years ago so that contradicts from what you said that he will just attack him and then leave God to see if he gonna tank it with stamina or not.He clearly knows what he can and can't do.2 years ago on Marineford no.Now I'm 100% sure he is.

Sure he does but he has 2 DF's.He had Yami under decent control before timeskip.Now if he developed Gura even further he'd have 2 amazing DF's under control.Yami alone as it was 2 years ago was OP as fuk.

 

[Hexuze]

It could go either way at extreme diff but I'll go with Akainu winning this for now. My opinion could change after the current arc.

 

[-Akuma-]

Akainu wins, at the high end of high-dif, the words Oda said about him ending One Piece in one year seemed impressive. While we don't have a good grasp on Teach's strength yet.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Lol there couple of blackbeard lovers here
Akainu wins high to extreme diff since BB never really concentrates meaning he gets hurt from things he shouldn't really....

 

[A v i]

Lol@ most of you guys subconsciously admitting that Akainu couldn't win if it isn't for BB's arrogance.:yeah:

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Lol@ most of you guys subconsciously admitting that Akainu couldn't win if it isn't for BB's arrogance.:yeah:

wow you can fuucking read.....amazing

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol@ most of you guys subconsciously admitting that Akainu couldn't win if it isn't for BB's arrogance.:yeah:

That's not at all what we're saying. Akainu can also through pure resiliency and a high combat ability regardless. I for one think Akainu's power is greater. Teach's arrogance/recklessness is just the most likely way that he'll receive the major wounds that will come back to haunt him.

 

[LBeezy]

That's not at all what we're saying. Akainu can also through pure resiliency and a high combat ability regardless. I for one think Akainu's power is greater. Teach's arrogance/recklessness is just the most likely way that he'll receive the major wounds that will come back to haunt him.

You think Akainu's power is greater but manga clearly states that the Gura Gura no Mi has the power to destroy the world.. yet no one ever said that about Akainu's DF..

Teach as well states that "people (who exactly, is anyones guess) say this is the strongest of the Devils Fruits" when talking to Ace about the Yami Yami no Mi..

Yet no one ever said anything like that about Akainu's DF..

 

[Punk Hazard]

You think Akainu's power is greater but manga clearly states that the Gura Gura no Mi has the power to destroy the world.. yet no one ever said that about Akainu's DF..

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Magma very well contains as much ability to destroy the world as earthquakes. Considering that WB's largest destructive Quakes couldn't even destroy the entirety of the main Marine building on Marineford, it's safe to say that Gura destroying the world is hyperbolic.

Teach as well states that "people (who exactly, is anyones guess) say this is the strongest of the Devils Fruits" when talking to Ace about the Yami Yami no Mi..

Because Teach isn't gonna hype up his own fruit? Enel's fruit was also stated to be invincible and all-powerful, yet he lost to someone with better fighting ability(yeah rubber played a good role) and Oda confirmed there are tons of people in the Blue Sea(not even just the New World, the Blue Sea as a whole) who could wipe the floor with Enel despite these highly destructive statements of hype surrounding his fruit.

Not to say that Enel is comparable to Teach in strength, but the same principle applies: Devil Fruits aren't the end-all-be-all of what constitutes power, just one aspect. Can't just ignore resiliency, speed, endurance, and physical strength.

 

[LBeezy]

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Magma very well contains as much ability to destroy the world as earthquakes.

In our world of course..

But nothing even close to this is hinted at in the OP manga.. especially not to mention Akainu has the Magma DF.. not a "Volcano DF"..

Because Teach isn't gonna hype up his own fruit? Enel's fruit was also stated to be invincible and all-powerful, yet he lost to someone with better fighting ability(yeah rubber played a good role) and Oda confirmed there are tons of people in the Blue Sea(not even just the New World, the Blue Sea as a whole) who could wipe the floor with Enel despite these highly destructive statements of hype surrounding his fruit.

Not to say that Enel is comparable to Teach in strength, but the same principle applies: Devil Fruits aren't the end-all-be-all of what constitutes power, just one aspect. Can't just ignore resiliency, speed, endurance, and physical strength.

You're absolutely correct about all of this.. I do agree..

I knew by BB saying that himself it didn't really hold much ground.. I realize that..

But what really puts everything into perspective, is how it's Sengoku a marine and FA at the time, who hypes up WB, the enemy, but not once says anything similar about Akainu.. IF Akainu did in fact have the power to destroy the world like WB, or was anywhere close to prime WB in strength, Sengoku would've mentioned this. You said it yourself it's only logical to hype up your own strength.. example: Teach & Enel.. but Sengoku hyped up his enemy/opponent.. and never added anything like "but it's okay we have Akainu and he too has enough power to destroy the world so it's okay" or "but no worries Akainu is also the world's strongest man" or "the only other man with that much destructive power is Akainu, and thankfully he's on our side" etc.. etc..

 

[Punk Hazard]

In our world of course..

But nothing even close to this is hinted at in the OP manga.. especially not to mention Akainu has the Magma DF.. not a "Volcano DF"..

Don't be daft. What do volcanoes release and what does Akainu release? They even compared him to a volcano in the manga at one point.

But what really puts everything into perspective, is how it's Sengoku a marine and FA at the time, who hypes up WB, the enemy, but not once says anything similar about Akainu..

Why would he hype Akainu? He said what he said about WB's fruit only because he was informing his people of what to expect from the enemy. It'd make no sense for him to mention Akainu's destructive power, which the Marines should already be aware of. It makes perfect sense for Sengoku to warn his allies about what the enemy can do.

IF Akainu did in fact have the power to destroy the world like WB, or was anywhere close to prime WB in strength, Sengoku would've mentioned this.

No, he wouldn't.

You said it yourself it's only logical to hype up your own strength.. example: Teach & Enel.. but Sengoku hyped up his enemy/opponent.. and never added anything like "but it's okay we have Akainu and he too has enough power to destroy the world so it's okay" or "but no worries Akainu is also the world's strongest man" or "the only other man with that much destructive power is Akainu, and thankfully he's on our side" etc.. etc..

Akainu wasn't in combat at that moment, and his musings implied his main duty was protecting the platform, not directly engaging in combat just yet. As I said before, it makes sense for Sengoku to say that about Whitebeard to keep his men on alert. Saying something like "Akainu is just as strong" would achieve the opposite of this, as he doesn't want his people to relax, but to be on guard at all times because it's war.

I still don't know why you're fixated on this DF thing when it's not the only factor in a fight.

 

[-Akuma-]

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Magma very well contains as much ability to destroy the world as earthquakes. Considering that WB's largest destructive Quakes couldn't even destroy the entirety of the main Marine building on Marineford, it's safe to say that Gura destroying the world is hyperbolic.


Because Teach isn't gonna hype up his own fruit? Enel's fruit was also stated to be invincible and all-powerful, yet he lost to someone with better fighting ability(yeah rubber played a good role) and Oda confirmed there are tons of people in the Blue Sea(not even just the New World, the Blue Sea as a whole) who could wipe the floor with Enel despite these highly destructive statements of hype surrounding his fruit.

Not to say that Enel is comparable to Teach in strength, but the same principle applies: Devil Fruits aren't the end-all-be-all of what constitutes power, just one aspect. Can't just ignore resiliency, speed, endurance, and physical strength.

While I agree on Akainu winning this post was a Michael Jordan reach.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmao how do people saying Akainu wins = Akainu lovers?

There is more pointing towards Akainu winning than the other way around, either way its nothing too concrete both are at the apex of One Piece characters, so I don't get where the confidence comes from.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

In our world of course..

But nothing even close to this is hinted at in the OP manga.. especially not to mention Akainu has the Magma DF.. not a "Volcano DF"..



You're absolutely correct about all of this.. I do agree..

I knew by BB saying that himself it didn't really hold much ground.. I realize that..

But what really puts everything into perspective, is how it's Sengoku a marine and FA at the time, who hypes up WB, the enemy, but not once says anything similar about Akainu.. IF Akainu did in fact have the power to destroy the world like WB, or was anywhere close to prime WB in strength, Sengoku would've mentioned this. You said it yourself it's only logical to hype up your own strength.. example: Teach & Enel.. but Sengoku hyped up his enemy/opponent.. and never added anything like "but it's okay we have Akainu and he too has enough power to destroy the world so it's okay" or "but no worries Akainu is also the world's strongest man" or "the only other man with that much destructive power is Akainu, and thankfully he's on our side" etc.. etc..

Yes cause Sengoku would just randomly yell and tell his opponents what one of allies can do.....sounds great...