With episode 451 I thought Pierrot had finally decided to go all out with the budget and make the rest of the series madhouse quality. But nope now that the filler is over we're back to the low budget poor pierriot animation with jerky animation. They could have made the Kaguya arc really awesome with fluid animation like the Itachi arc had, but I guess they care more about making filler pretty than the canon. Stupid imo.
Bit disappointing with the animation.
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Claymantan
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I agree, the animation is very flat and bland. Most of what makes it look almost passable is the panning/zooming and the post-processing effects.
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Didn't you saw the episodes about itachi joining akatsuki so the ones between Itachi killing the uchiha and the latest episode. That animation was also very bad. Also even the itachi shisui vs anbu was done bad look at how big their eyes are.
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Komiko Horikoshi is one of the best animaters out there dumbass , his episodes are always good , did you see how the art was in this episode? Even better than kishi's , the animation too was good , u just want more like a spoiled brat . Kaguya's revival was handled perfectly
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To be honest, it is no surprise that animation and artwork isn't that great. The best times of the anime are gone for a long time. Anything that doesn't have artwork- and animation-quality of Kakashi/Team10 vs. Hidan/Kakuzu or Sasuke vs. Itachi is considered "bad" in my book. But that's just me. I'm surprised by how optimistic some people still are tho.. and that they think the show would get better only because it is in it's "final steps". I promise you, Naruto vs. Sasuke won't look any better. The fight was done well in NUNS4, won't get better than that.
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The ones you mentioned have good, fluid animation, but the artwork is still sloppy compared to the ones I mentioned. The difference in detail and depth of the drawings is enormous.
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In my opinion, the anime should always look like ^that. Even if you stop the video in mid-motion, the artwork is far better than what the anime has since the end of kage-summit arc/beginning of the war-arc.
Compared to the past.. or other fighting-anime, the Naruto-quality became very low objectively. Prepare to be dissapointed for the last fight then.
The level of detail stayed the same. Tho that would depend on the director wether theyd focus more on the movement itself or the individual in betweens.
Everyone would like it to be like that always. That however is impossible due to both financial and time resttaints. The key moments have been given justice with the last 2 years being bad due to the fact that the majority of Pierrots good animators were working on tge Last and Boruto. Now that thats done we had a slight increase in quality and it seems to be on the rise. If it keeps going like this its perfectly reasinable to expect a fantastic finale. Wouldnt be the first time the anime suprised us.
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That's why I think the concept of weekly-released anime episodes is the cancer of the entire anime section. It's their own fault when they waste their money with countless low quality filler-episodes and follow such release schedules. I won't excuse that.
The Naruto anime could be one of the best in the world, if the animators were better in managing their money and time. Why not making seasons with breaks in between? So that they have a fix number of episodes to cover each arc? We would have:
No fillers, more time to animate everything and overall better quality -> they have more money because less episodes to animate. The fans would just have to be patient, but that would be worth it.
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There's more money to be made for networks if they use the weekly schedule, though. So this will never ever happen. :/
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True, humans are greedy bastards. Money seems to be more important than creating art, unfortunately.
Thats your opinion. Weekly anime is my fav type and for multiple reasons:
- Its consistently coming out
- Easier to follow
- Usually longer
But these are just my reasons for liking them and theyre not your concern so Ill move to why this type of anime is necessarry from a business stand point and why it is needed for the existence of anime at such a scale that is present today:
- efficency - weekly anime are almost always huge, lasting multiple years without breaks. Making them in seasonal bulks would be very unefficient from a marketing view as 20 episode seasons would barely cover one arc. Then youd have a hungry fanbase left with nothing for 1-3 years, 4 in worst case. Interest in the anime would drop dramatically and as such itd get less viewers
- money - making anime is a really expensive work. Making anime with top notch animation is hillariously expensive. I remember seeing a typical episode budget and I remember being shocked by the numbers. I cant link now cuz Im on my phone but the point is its expensive. There is a reason why seasoned anime takes so long to make and cuts in the budget are a necessarry reality just like with every other business. Also many studios are in a bad condition and the money they make is barely enough to cover the expenses that went into the production. Everyone would like to look at amazing animation and say "hey, I made that". Its just that very few can affort it.
- publisher interest - this one is related to both points above. If your anime takes too much to gather interests local networks will be suspicious about how good of an investment it is. If your anime is too expensive your local network may not afford it. If your anime is both of these your local network wont even look at it. In business you need to negotiate and sell your products at a reasonable price from whih both you and the other guy will have some profit. Sadly, in many cases the other guy takes more and you end up with less (cuz ur the one paying for your expenses) while the network will get its share from the amount of viewers it has. In the event you make a 10th season of an anime whose manga has already finished 3-5 years ago, even if the fans want it, the studio will have doubts about how much sense it makes.
These were what I find to be the main 3 marketing reasons for why such a thing is very hard to realize. When talking about state of the anime industry, however, we mustnt forget the ones actually making up the studio - people.
Japan is known to be a depressing place of working too much for too little in bad enviroments. This is true to an extent. Atleast for most animation studios. There was an interview with an american animator who went to work in Japan first scoring with a low level studio and then, interestingly, ending up at our dear Studio Pierrot. He gave some insight on how things look from the inside.
While he was working with the first studio his income was miserable. He worked a lot but barely earned anything at all. The studio was falling apart both financially and literally! After some time he went to Pierrot and while his working conditions and salary improved he still had to rely on his job as an English teacher to make a living.
Basically, if you're not a huge studio like Madhouse or Bones you will face a lot of limitations and will have to resort to cheapest and fastest if u dont want to go broke.
You cant expect much work from a depressed and underpayed individual. That said Pierrot is a decent studio with enough wealth to stay alive but too little to go top notch. They always produce good quality and never below. They have to make cuts tho so they let smaller studios cover the less important episodes while theyre cooking up something big. This is known as "outsourcing". Those smaller studios are uncompetent and cant make a good episode to save their life and are thus leaving us with crappy stuff.
Those are the main reasons for why ideal anime is rare and why such long anime as Naruto are made weekly with smaller budget rather than in seasons with large amounts of money.
With all the problems studios face and their potential demise looming over its really not fair of you to call them things like greedy bastards. They do what they do because they have passion for it despite many problems that stand in the way. If thats not dedication I dont know what is.
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