Can you really fault Sakura?

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You see, here's the thing that you seem to not understand. SS has ALWAYS been shit, so you have no excuse for wanting to ship it and then calling it shit. That's just flawed.

2nd, give me some instances where this pairing has had safe face, and I'll will leave it along. You acting like there have been good, solid relationship moments with these two.

If that's what you think then your logic is even worse than Femme's.
Always been shit to you, you mean :|

For the majority of the story Sasuke was either away obsessed with his goal, deranged, or consumed with range. For me SS was betting pretty much on how Sasuke would act when he finally got his head clear, when he was through with all of the anger, and he was back to valuing others around him, just like he did in part one

When he went berserk when Sakura got hurt.
When Sakura was the one to calm him down when he went berserk.
When he saw Sakura was feeling down so he complimented her on how much she had improved.
How he pleaded with Naruto to rescue her while he sacrifice himself to hold off Gaara.
Even how he left was a nice touch imo.
And there is how when Naruto finally met Sasuke at VOTE1 the first thing he said was "so she sent you huh"

Especially during the chuunin exam Sasuke's character started to open up. He started to value others and even cared about Sakura, but once he realized his own ineptitude he closed himself off. His own power and revenge was all Sasuke cared about, and he realized that if he was going to fulfill his goals then he would have to cut his bonds

^that part in bold has been Sasuke's mentality since then on and as long as that mindset continued, any such thing as a pairing was impossible for Sasuke.

Sadly though Kishimoto kept that for the very end all the while making Sasuke treat his comrades worse and worse. In the end there was little to no development of SS since part one.

All the negative with most of the positive down to the end being in part one made the pairing shit imo.
 
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Actually I think Tsunade was done well :|
Konan struck me as a cult follower, and Temari was underdeveloped.

I agree that you can't really fault a character though. Kishimoto just lacks ability
Forgot about Tsunade. Yes she was well developed and that establishment as the creator of medical ninjutsu was a huge development for a female.

Temari, no I think she was well developed.

> In Part 1, her Wind Sycthe negging all of Tenten's weapons. This was a great intro to a character.
> Her fan is a big part of her arsenal.
> Her relationship with Shikamaru was more smoothly done than Sakura's relationship with Sasuke though it has more panels.
> Her character was that she was protective of her brothers and she was very loyal to the Leaf Village.

What more can you expect out of a female lol?

Because character is the product the viewers will view. If the character does not win the audience over it means the character itself never made it. Thats why the blame goes to both character and writer.
The writer created that character to appeal to the audience. You would blame the creator who created that animosity towards a character.

If Sakura actually stopped moaning and groaning about Sasuke and grew over him early more people would start to appreciate her character. It all depends on the author's intiative.
 
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The writer created that character to appeal to the audience. You would blame the creator who created that animosity towards a character.

If Sakura actually stopped moaning and groaning about Sasuke and grew over him early more people would start to appreciate her character. It all depends on the author's intiative.
No I believe a shitty character can win over the fans as well. The character doesn't nessacarly need to be written right to win over the fans. While I can fully understand where you are coming from, I firmly believe that the blame goes on both things because in the end while Kishi is the writer the image he is presenting is the character. If people don't appeal to it, it means the character and the writer did not go through.

Edit: Just going to add another thing.

When ever you see people hating Sakura you wonder why they are hating Sakura and not Kishi for the way he treated her right? Its simple because in the end people are seeing Sakura the character and not Kishi the writer on there display doing that stuff. Thats another way of looking at it.
 
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To answer the thread, no, I have no sympathy for her, nor am I excusing her from lying to her daughter. If she actually had a somewhat normal life and her husband didn't try to kill her three times, then we can go somewhere.

She's the one who ended up marrying him, and even chasing after him for so long. If she has the nerve to lie to her daughter, then she isn't fit to get married or have kids. It was her mistake to marry Sasuke in the first place. Now when your kid asks you about your marriage you get upset, smash your house, and yell at your kid? What's the matter Sakura? Why are you getting so upset about a simple conversation?

So your kid isn't allowed to know about your marriage? Well, considering how much shit you have been through and how embarrassing it would be to tell anyone about it, you probably don't want to tell anyone that anyway.

I don't blame Sasuke or Sarada. I blame Sakura for being foolish and still marrying Sasuke.
 

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To answer the thread, no, I have no sympathy for her, nor am I excusing her from lying to her daughter. If she actually had a somewhat normal life and her husband didn't try to kill her three times, then we can go somewhere.

She's the one who ended up marrying him, and even chasing after him for so long. If she has the nerve to lie to her daughter, then she isn't fit to get married or have kids. It was her mistake to marry Sasuke in the first place. Now when your kid asks you about your marriage you get upset, smash your house, and yell at your kid? What's the matter Sakura? Why are you getting so upset about a simple conversation?

So your kid isn't allowed to know about your marriage? Well, considering how much shit you have been through and how embarrassing it would be to tell anyone about it, you probably don't want to tell anyone that anyway.

I don't blame Sasuke or Sarada. I blame Sakura for being foolish and still marrying Sasuke.
Amen.
 

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To answer the thread, no, I have no sympathy for her, nor am I excusing her from lying to her daughter. If she actually had a somewhat normal life and her husband didn't try to kill her three times, then we can go somewhere.

She's the one who ended up marrying him, and even chasing after him for so long. If she has the nerve to lie to her daughter, then she isn't fit to get married or have kids. It was her mistake to marry Sasuke in the first place. Now when your kid asks you about your marriage you get upset, smash your house, and yell at your kid? What's the matter Sakura? Why are you getting so upset about a simple conversation?

So your kid isn't allowed to know about your marriage? Well, considering how much shit you have been through and how embarrassing it would be to tell anyone about it, you probably don't want to tell anyone that anyway.

I don't blame Sasuke or Sarada. I blame Sakura for being foolish and still marrying Sasuke.
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To answer the thread, no, I have no sympathy for her, nor am I excusing her from lying to her daughter. If she actually had a somewhat normal life and her husband didn't try to kill her three times, then we can go somewhere.She's the one who ended up marrying him, and even chasing after him for so long. If she has the nerve to lie to her daughter, then she isn't fit to get married or have kids. It was her mistake to marry Sasuke in the first place. Now when your kid asks you about your marriage you get upset, smash your house, and yell at your kid? What's the matter Sakura? Why are you getting so upset about a simple conversation?So your kid isn't allowed to know about your marriage? Well, considering how much shit you have been through and how embarrassing it would be to tell anyone about it, you probably don't want to tell anyone that anyway.I don't blame Sasuke or Sarada. I blame Sakura for being foolish and still marrying Sasuke.
Well said Dannie, all that needs to be said tbh.
 

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No I believe a shitty character can win over the fans as well. The character doesn't nessacarly need to be written right to win over the fans. While I can fully understand where you are coming from, I firmly believe that the blame goes on both things because in the end while Kishi is the writer the image he is presenting is the character. If people don't appeal to it, it means the character and the writer did not go through.

Edit: Just going to add another thing.

When ever you see people hating Sakura you wonder why they are hating Sakura and not Kishi for the way he treated her right? Its simple because in the end people are seeing Sakura the character and not Kishi the writer on there display doing that stuff. Thats another way of looking at it.
Ok man, you hold on to your beliefs. With this post Rasta gets her 10,000th hot thread because of the word Sakura. Congratulate him when you get a chance.

To answer the thread, no, I have no sympathy for her, nor am I excusing her from lying to her daughter. If she actually had a somewhat normal life and her husband didn't try to kill her three times, then we can go somewhere.

She's the one who ended up marrying him, and even chasing after him for so long. If she has the nerve to lie to her daughter, then she isn't fit to get married or have kids. It was her mistake to marry Sasuke in the first place. Now when your kid asks you about your marriage you get upset, smash your house, and yell at your kid? What's the matter Sakura? Why are you getting so upset about a simple conversation?

So your kid isn't allowed to know about your marriage? Well, considering how much shit you have been through and how embarrassing it would be to tell anyone about it, you probably don't want to tell anyone that anyway.

I don't blame Sasuke or Sarada. I blame Sakura for being foolish and still marrying Sasuke.
Well said but aren't you a Sakura fan.:coffee:

Lady Sakura can solo with Shannaro. <3
 
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