Karura is the best mother in the nv.

[To Whatever]

Karura's love for her child, Gaara is unreal.

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Even in death she's been protecting this guy and continues to do so.

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Mikoto, Sakura, Hinata, Ino, all of them. Are mediocre mothers compared to this woman.

Only Kushina has love like that for her kid.​

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

When love transcends death not even Kushina was on that level

 

[Angelic.]

I was like who karururoo

 

[Gerkak]

Kushina is way behind as well, she allowed her newborn to become a jinchuriki and accepted Minato's terrible idea.

I would rank mikoto above her

 

[To Whatever]

When love transcends death not even Kushina was on that level

Kushina's love did transcend death. But not to that extent. Gaara's mom is something else...

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Kushina is way behind as well, she allowed her newborn to become a jinchuriki and accepted Minato's terrible idea.

I would rank mikoto above her

Minato's idea was good. It was Kurama's attempted murder that soured the situation. Not to mention karura had gaara become a jinchuriki as well.

Both gave the ultimate sacrifice for their children though and continued to protect them even after death.

Mikoto just died and proceeded to have nothing else to do with anything.

 

[Gerkak]

Minato's idea was good. It was Kurama's attempted murder that soured the situation

It wasn't, he was willing to seal a bijuu in a newborn based on the belief that the child was the one spoken of in prophecy. And also to maintain the balance of the bijuu, in other words he sacrificed his child. Kushina later on being convinced by him made things worse.

Both would have died whether kurama attacked them or not.

Both gave the ultimate sacrifice for their children though and continued to protect them even after death

Agreed

Mikoto just died and proceeded to have nothing else to do with anything.

You're being a bit too hard on Mikoto, unlike kushina mikoto doesn't have any fuinjutsu knowledge to create a chakra copy of her self in her children's minds. She is also not as relevant as kushina.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Kushina's love did transcend death. But not to that extent. Gaara's mom is something else...

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Minato's idea was good. It was Kurama's attempted murder that soured the situation. Not to mention karura had gaara become a jinchuriki as well.

Both gave the ultimate sacrifice for their children though and continued to protect them even after death.

Mikoto just died and proceeded to have nothing else to do with anything.

As far as the manga is concerned. Karura's eternal love transcendence>>>>>Kushina's momentary love transcendence my point still stands :th: but yes in Kushina's case not to the same extent

 

[To Whatever]

It wasn't, he was willing to seal a bijuu in a newborn based on the belief that the child was the one spoken of in prophecy. And also to maintain the balance of the bijuu, in other words he sacrificed his child. Kushina later on being convinced by him made things worse.

Both would have died whether kurama attacked them or not.

It was a good plan considering what Naruto turned out to be. Especially given the preparations he made for his son. Allowing him to meet his mother and father.

Obito was still alive and village relations were already rocky. Had Kurama been allowed to die it would have put Konoha into a disadvantage. If an uchiha coup was enough incentive to invade. Them losing a world super-weapon like kurama and their hokage would have been too good to be ignored.

Naruto would have probably died and been unable to do anything to shape the world. Mikoto only died for her kids then did nothing else.

Kushina meeting her son was Paramount to Naruto.

As far as the manga is concerned. Karura's eternal love transcendence>>>>>Kushina's momentary love transcendence my point still stands :th: but yes in Kushina's case not to the same extent

This shouldn't even be argued as i just said she was the best mother in the nv. and that the only one who remotely compares would be kushina as she's one of the two mothers that transcendent death. So your point is the same as mine...

:kk:

 

[Aznkidd]

for a second i read Kaguya

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

You should add a poll to know better...:bouncy:

 

[kimb]

Orochimaru's a better mother than Karura. Instead of protecting her child all the time like Karura, or forcing her child into a life of torment like Kushina, Orochimaru allowed Mitsuki to choose his own destiny. Mother's day is coming up. I should make a thread dedicated to Orochimaru be such a good parent.

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Mother of the Year :bdpf:

 

[To Whatever]

Orochimaru's a better mother than Karura. Instead of protecting her child all the time like Karura, or forcing her child into a life of torment like Kushina, Orochimaru allowed Mitsuki to choose his own destiny. Mother's day is coming up. I should make a thread dedicated to Orochimaru be such a good parent.

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At which point would a parent not protect their child when possible? Especially one as tortured as Gaara. Gaara had the luxury of choosing his own path and being protected by his mother.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

It was a good plan considering what Naruto turned out to be. Especially given the preparations he made for his son. Allowing him to meet his mother and father.

Obito was still alive and village relations were already rocky. Had Kurama been allowed to die it would have put Konoha into a disadvantage. If an uchiha coup was enough incentive to invade. Them losing a world super-weapon like kurama and their hokage would have been too good to be ignored.

Naruto would have probably died and been unable to do anything to shape the world. Mikoto only died for her kids then did nothing else.

Kushina meeting her son was Paramount to Naruto.



This shouldn't even be argued as i just said she was the best mother in the nv. and that the only one who remotely compares would be kushina as she's one of the two mothers that transcendent death. So your point is the same as mine...

:kk:

What was the poont of your response to mine then. The dots seemed like you wre arguing against it, we all know Lishina's love transcended death but it just seemed like redundant information, I can't tell tone of the internet and the dots gave a negative one :bdpf:

 

[kimb]

At which point would a parent not protect their child when possible?

One's that want their child to learn from their experiences and gain knowledge hands on rather than through a filtered source. Aside from Karura stopping Gaara from "killing himself", she shouldn't have been so over protective IMO. Maybe she shouldn't have stopped him from slitting his wrist. Maybe he would have learned that slitting your wrists hurts and there are way better things to do than being depressed.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

for a second i read Kaguya

Kaguya's love is the best love in NV. Her love never dies for her sons, yet they abused her so much. All she wanted was their chakra but nope they domestically abuse her instead. What a loving and poor mother

 

[To Whatever]

What was the poont of your response to mine then. The dots seemed like you wre arguing against it, we all know Lishina's love transcended death but it just seemed like redundant information, I can't tell tone of the internet and the dots gave a negative one :bdpf:

We all know that Karura's love transcended death on a level that kushina can only remotely compare to as well.

That's redundant information as well..

:kk:

One's that want their child to learn from their experiences and gain knowledge hands on rather than through a filtered source. Aside from Karura stopping Gaara from "killing himself", she shouldn't have been so over protective IMO. Maybe she shouldn't have stopped him from slitting his wrist. Maybe he would have learned that slitting your wrists hurts and there are way better things to do than being depressed.

Gaara got to choose his path and get protected from his mother. He knew experiences of everything, including death itself.

And not have his memories erased when he did something the parent did not like.

 

[Gerkak]

It was a good plan considering what Naruto turned out to be. Especially given the preparations he made for his son. Allowing him to meet his mother and father.

Naruto could have met them whether he was a jinchuriki or not, remember minato added his and kushina's chakra after the sealing of the bijuu in naruto. He could have sealed their chakra in naruto without kurama being sealed.

Obito was still alive and village relations were already rocky. Had Kurama been allowed to die it would have put Konoha into a disadvantage. If an uchiha coup was enough incentive to invade. Them losing a world super-weapon like kurama and their hokage would have been too good to be ignored.

Konoha was always at a disadvantage naruto was never trained to control kurama in the leaf, he was more of a risk to konoha than an asset. At that point it might as well be said that konoha didn't have a bijuu. Despite the weaknesses no village dared to attack konoha when it was at its weakest i.e right after the kyuubi attack. The point is naruto being a jinchuriki was not a deterrent, Hiruzen and konoha's elite ninja were.

Naruto would have probably died and been unable to do anything to shape the world. Mikoto only died for her kids then did nothing else.

Well we can't say that for sure seeing as he would have turned out differently from the canon one. And if Naruto was the child of prophecy as minato believed then whether a bijuu gets sealed in him or not he would have impacted the world.

Kushina meeting her son was Paramount to Naruto.

Yes it was.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

We all know that Karura's love transcended death on a level that kushina can only remotely compare to as well.

That's redundant information as well..

:kk:



Gaara got to choose his path and get protected from his mother. He knew experiences of everything, including death itself.

And not have his memories erased when he did something the parent did not like.

So ypu admit that your information was redundant then try to call my post on redundancy when I already claimed it was a misunderstanding by your use of ellipsis? That's not redundancy that's called a misunderstanding. Nowhere did I state Kushina did not, you seemed to only post it for the sake of response . You basically said the same thing I said and by it's context I wasn't sure if you wrre ahreeing or debatingbhence ellipsis...or posting anyhow. It was just a misunderstanding regardless

 

[To Whatever]

Naruto could have met them whether he was a jinchuriki or not, remember minato added his and kushina's chakra after the sealing of the bijuu in naruto. He could have sealed their chakra in naruto without kurama being sealed.



Konoha was always at a disadvantage naruto was never trained to control kurama in the leaf, he was more of a risk to konoha than an asset. At that point it might as well be said that konoha didn't have a bijuu. Despite the weaknesses no village dared to attack konoha when it was at its weakest i.e right after the kyuubi attack. The point is naruto being a jinchuriki was not a deterrent, Hiruzen and konoha's elite ninja were.



Well we can't say that for sure seeing as he would have turned out differently from the canon one. And if Naruto was the child of prophecy as minato believed then whether a bijuu gets sealed in him or not he would have impacted the world.



Yes it was.

No he couldn't. As far as we know the two chakra could only be connected to the jinchuriki seal. As a jinchuriki you reach a level of consciousness to interact with the bijuu. Without that there'd be no medium to do so.

No they weren't they still had the bijuu. That's all their enemies knew they may have lost their hokage but Hiruzen ,Kurama and the elite ninjas were still there in konoha. The bijuu in general were a risk more than an assets save for Kumo's jins. Just having them was enough though. If that wasn't the case, none of the villages would have argued over the control of the bijuu. Naruto being a jin wasn't the deterrent obviously.

We can say for sure, because any other bridging scenarios isn't, "Naruto" it may as well be something entirely different. The prophecy was only possible with kurama being sealed. Not sealed and killed, (not entirely anyway)

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So ypu admit that your information was redundant then try to call my post on redundancy when I already claimed it was a misunderstanding by your use of ellipsis? That's not redundancy that's called a misunderstanding. Nowhere did I state Kushina did not, you seemed to only post it for the sake of response . You basically said the same thing I said and by it's context I wasn't sure if you wrre ahreeing or debatingbhence ellipsis...or posting anyhow. It was just a misunderstanding regardless

pretty much.

 

[Gerkak]

No he couldn't. As far as we know the two chakra could only be connected to the jinchuriki seal. As a jinchuriki you reach a level of consciousness to interact with the bijuu. Without that there'd be no medium to do so.

Obito and hogoromo both showed that it was possible for chakra ghosts to appear in the minds of others. Neither sasuke nor kakashi were jinchuriki yet this happened to them.

No they weren't they still had the bijuu. That's all their enemies knew they may have lost their hokage but Hiruzen ,Kurama and the elite ninjas were still there in konoha. The bijuu in general were a risk more than an assets save for Kumo's jins. Just having them was enough though. If that wasn't the case, none of the villages would have argued over the control of the bijuu. Naruto being a jin wasn't the deterrent obviously.

Still the point remains, whether naruto was made a jinchuriki or not no one would have attacked the leaf.

We can say for sure, because any other bridging scenarios isn't, "Naruto" it may as well be something entirely different. The prophecy was only possible with kurama being sealed. Not sealed and killed, (not entirely anyway)

Yes it turned out that way at the end but based on what minato knew the prophecy made no mention of the child of prohecy's relationship with the tailed beasts. It is for this reason that Jiraya initially thought that Nagato or Minato were the child of prophecy.