[Question] strongest elite in order
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Lille barro(every time I re-read the fight with shunsui, he becomes even more broken tbh)
Askin
Pernida
Gerard
With Haschwalth being stronger than all of them potentially
Askin
Pernida
Gerard
With Haschwalth being stronger than all of them potentially
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Okay, the strongest elite, in order is:
1: Askin
And the order is:
1: Askin.
Aww, do i have to do it for real? Fine.
1: Askin
By far the best showing against Nimaya, being the one one of the elites to not die instantly, and was actually winning in that fight, before the Auswahlen. Post Auswhalen, he was able to take out Ichigo, offscreen. The Main Character, after a long training arc, in his first legitimate fight, got wrecked offscreen. That's all you need.
Oh, and he's also probably killed Neliel, Grimmjow, Urahara, Yoruichi and No one else important. No one cares about Yushiro.
2: Lille
This was just a f*ck up on Kubo's part, by giving him no weaknesses except a magical paddle that is designed to kill Lille Barro. Not Gods. Lille Barro. Try whacking Yhwach with Shinken Hakyouken, see how that goes for you. But i suppose he was still brokenly strong. Still, Reiatsu based attacks, obvious mortality, and a ridiculous "2nd Eye" limiting when he can go volstandig put him lower on the list. Because Askin would wreck his face.
3: Pernida
Thank you, back to the good ones. Pernida effortlessly wrecked Kenpachi and Yoruichi. As well as being nearly impervious to physical damage, and unlike his other seemingly unkillable friends, it doesn't need any specific circumstances to fight properly. Also adding in the fact that Pernida has more physical strength than Kenpachi, and can evolve to even greater levels, definately makes it more threatening than Giga-Thor.
4: Gerard
He's just big. That's his power. Askin doesn't damage him so he can't get bigger, Lille can't be touched and probably could obliterate him with a Trompete, Pernida would kill him before he regeneration kicks in and wouldn't die to basic attacks anyway.
1: Askin
And the order is:
1: Askin.
Aww, do i have to do it for real? Fine.
1: Askin
By far the best showing against Nimaya, being the one one of the elites to not die instantly, and was actually winning in that fight, before the Auswahlen. Post Auswhalen, he was able to take out Ichigo, offscreen. The Main Character, after a long training arc, in his first legitimate fight, got wrecked offscreen. That's all you need.
Oh, and he's also probably killed Neliel, Grimmjow, Urahara, Yoruichi and No one else important. No one cares about Yushiro.
2: Lille
This was just a f*ck up on Kubo's part, by giving him no weaknesses except a magical paddle that is designed to kill Lille Barro. Not Gods. Lille Barro. Try whacking Yhwach with Shinken Hakyouken, see how that goes for you. But i suppose he was still brokenly strong. Still, Reiatsu based attacks, obvious mortality, and a ridiculous "2nd Eye" limiting when he can go volstandig put him lower on the list. Because Askin would wreck his face.
3: Pernida
Thank you, back to the good ones. Pernida effortlessly wrecked Kenpachi and Yoruichi. As well as being nearly impervious to physical damage, and unlike his other seemingly unkillable friends, it doesn't need any specific circumstances to fight properly. Also adding in the fact that Pernida has more physical strength than Kenpachi, and can evolve to even greater levels, definately makes it more threatening than Giga-Thor.
4: Gerard
He's just big. That's his power. Askin doesn't damage him so he can't get bigger, Lille can't be touched and probably could obliterate him with a Trompete, Pernida would kill him before he regeneration kicks in and wouldn't die to basic attacks anyway.
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Lille is the strongest until further notice.
In a fight vs Askin he would eventually shrug off the deathdealing like he did Shunsu's bankais fatal disease.
In a fight vs Askin he would eventually shrug off the deathdealing like he did Shunsu's bankais fatal disease.
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The deathdealing doesn't function the same way as a poison or disease. If he lowers the lethal dosage of looking stupid, that's not something Lille can just shrug off. Against Shunsui, he didn't have the right Lethal Dosage of Shunsui Bankai Cancer.
Lille can die, because A: He died before, and B: He's going to die again to Aizen, so the Deathdealing should still apply to him.
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Lille doesn't interact with anything askinn can change the dosage off when intangible. ( Except blood i guess that he would have to draw )
And his attack ignore durability. Shunsui's bankai was conceptual in nature so it should have killed him. Since it was said to be incurable but he just lol came back
Vollstandig his body was destroyed and reformed with 0 damage. Tbh he really is hax looking back at it
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Lille does interact with stuff that Askin can manipulate, specifically Reishi. And he is still affected by things that pass through him (Seen with Izuru) so a Gift Ball would still work on him.
And whether he dies to Deathdealing is unknown, because Kubo was really trying to sell that magical paddle by giving lille no obvious weaknesses, and he hasn't been hit with the Deathdealing in canon for us to confirm it.
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True but X axis doesnt shoot reshi like the others. So how would askinn counter. He lost divinity and almost all his powers split vs Kira. As for deathdealing killing him I guess that speculation kinda vague how kubo made it.
Both are hax tho
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Losing a lot of his powers doesn't change how his ability works, except maybe reducing the scale of his attacks.
And yes, he does shoot Reishi. Done this argument before, here's how it goes.
Lille's attack is visible in many panels, meaning there's definately something there. Examples:[
If there's something there, it's Reishi. Because literally every other attack in the Manga is Reishi fueled, or that molotov cocktail that Mizuiro threw at Aizen. Yes, that happened.
Lille's ability is called "piercing through everything" which sounds much more like a projectile than having a strait line being erased. Also, a strait line being erased would either not be visible, or still need Reishi.
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]If there's something there, it's Reishi. Because literally every other attack in the Manga is Reishi fueled, or that molotov cocktail that Mizuiro threw at Aizen. Yes, that happened.
Lille's ability is called "piercing through everything" which sounds much more like a projectile than having a strait line being erased. Also, a strait line being erased would either not be visible, or still need Reishi.
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Technically it does in this case since all aspects of his powers were divided. Before he would slip through but afterward he couldn't.
He can shoot reshi but thats not how X Axis specifically works. Everything from the muzzle/ hole to his target is pierced which is why it ignores durability that's just how its explained regardless of how he depicts it or it sounds. Similarly to how his intangibility isnt reshi related. It really only took blast form until after he went Vollstandig ( before it would just be light at the muzzle light at the target ). With that description showing the full blast/beam shows the increased power or the target being beyond the hit object. In bleach there are attacks that aren't directly reishi based.
Also his 2nd trans gain new abilties like Sabaki no Kōmyō and light creation which you could see in energy waves/ beams
Basically reishi powers quincy techniques but for X Axis is a concept based attack "everything between the muzzle and the target is pierced"
Other point to consider : In the life cage, which eats all reshi it comes in contact with, the term Power is defined separately of reshi. And it said X Axis is able to use a power he couldnt use before. In Yhwach case if he couldn't shift power , not reshi, they wouldnt have been able to increase thier strength up from other quincy.
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Lille, he basically has the best attack and the best defense. His weakness is speedblitz in his base form but with his super-mode, he's always intangible, so you need some good hax yourself to reach him.
A bit of a draw between Pernida and Askin. In one hand, Pernida's abilities allowed him to defeat Kenpachi with ease and he definitely defeated Mayuri, something that no others Sternritters did. Plus, his evolution, the nature of his power and how he keeps shut about it (plus he learns by wounding people, so it powers him up if he harms them) makes him strong.
But Askin's abilities allowed him to successfully defeat Grimmjow, Ichigo, Yurisho, Yuruichi and nearly defeat Urahara, plus his powers means that he also needs Hax to be defeated and his immense resistance allows him to stay alive and make his abilities work, I'd give the second place to Askin, because of just how useful his abilities are.
And Gerard, he's not weak but his powers is bizarrely straightforward, a bit hax, sure, but it's too early to tell. I don't feel like he'd be able to cope well with everyone else's powers.
A bit of a draw between Pernida and Askin. In one hand, Pernida's abilities allowed him to defeat Kenpachi with ease and he definitely defeated Mayuri, something that no others Sternritters did. Plus, his evolution, the nature of his power and how he keeps shut about it (plus he learns by wounding people, so it powers him up if he harms them) makes him strong.
But Askin's abilities allowed him to successfully defeat Grimmjow, Ichigo, Yurisho, Yuruichi and nearly defeat Urahara, plus his powers means that he also needs Hax to be defeated and his immense resistance allows him to stay alive and make his abilities work, I'd give the second place to Askin, because of just how useful his abilities are.
And Gerard, he's not weak but his powers is bizarrely straightforward, a bit hax, sure, but it's too early to tell. I don't feel like he'd be able to cope well with everyone else's powers.
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Ugh, this is why i hate arguing about Lille Barro. He was written with no weaknesses except a magical paddle that instantly kills him.
Everything else about him is either poorly described, mangled in translation, or possibly a metaphor.
Let's talk about the concept of "New Villain Power Obfuscation". Essentially, it lets a bad guy do whatever the hell they want without being seen by the audience. And Lille's attacks do this a lot, before his battle with Shunsui. And it's definately not something i made up on the spot.
There's nothing to say that his attacks, unlike literally every other attack in the series, are not Reiatsu based.
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Lille Barro
Gerard Valkyrie
Pernida
Askin Nakk le Vaar
Lille's the leader of the Elites, claims to be Yhwach's greatest creation and the one closest to God, overcame Shunsui's Bankai, has the most hax abilities, and required an asspull god-slaying clan sword to defeat him (and even then it didn't kill him).
Gerard pushed Zaraki over the limit of his Bankai and has the best physical stats of the Sternritters. In terms of reiatsu/power, he is on the same level of Lille, but the difference lies in that Lille can take out more guys than Gerard can. High-level regeneration and damage reflection are also hax.
Pernida mangled base Zaraki in its weakest form, overcame Mayuri's abilities and Nemu's asspull power-up, and was defeated only by one final asspull from Mayuri which he apparently installed inside Nemu since her birth. Its ability to power up by tagging people with its nerves is hax, but the strongest incarnation of Gerard can take out more guys than the strongest incarnation of Pernida can.
Askin can manipulate lethal dosages, gain immunities, and kill via poison. Overall, Askin is a deadly combatant; after all he took out Yoruichi, Yuushiro, Grimmjow, and Ichigo, and overcame Urahara's Bankai, but his raw power and hax aren't quite on the same level as the original 3 Elites.
Gerard Valkyrie
Pernida
Askin Nakk le Vaar
Lille's the leader of the Elites, claims to be Yhwach's greatest creation and the one closest to God, overcame Shunsui's Bankai, has the most hax abilities, and required an asspull god-slaying clan sword to defeat him (and even then it didn't kill him).
Gerard pushed Zaraki over the limit of his Bankai and has the best physical stats of the Sternritters. In terms of reiatsu/power, he is on the same level of Lille, but the difference lies in that Lille can take out more guys than Gerard can. High-level regeneration and damage reflection are also hax.
Pernida mangled base Zaraki in its weakest form, overcame Mayuri's abilities and Nemu's asspull power-up, and was defeated only by one final asspull from Mayuri which he apparently installed inside Nemu since her birth. Its ability to power up by tagging people with its nerves is hax, but the strongest incarnation of Gerard can take out more guys than the strongest incarnation of Pernida can.
Askin can manipulate lethal dosages, gain immunities, and kill via poison. Overall, Askin is a deadly combatant; after all he took out Yoruichi, Yuushiro, Grimmjow, and Ichigo, and overcame Urahara's Bankai, but his raw power and hax aren't quite on the same level as the original 3 Elites.
