[Discussion] Myths versus Facts

[Tomato God]

Lol I know right!! xd she's a beast!! (No pun intended lol)

My list atm is

Vivi
Momo
Carrot
Jinbe

 

[Hexuze]

• since when do characters in manga attack other characters that they don't fully know if they're bad or good or what, with their fastest and strongest and overall best attack? Lol

• why do you have to downplay Carrot like that? Why can't Zoro in fact have "amazing striking speed", and Carrot at the same time just have amazing reaction/dodging speed?!? (Therefore making both characters look good)

It shows that his striking speed isn't amazing. Why would Zoro not try (if that's what you're implying)? Given Zoro's character and the page prior to that, it makes little sense for him not to try. He was serious. Downplay Carrot? I'm not sure how you came to that assumption when I clearly showed a page of her giving Zoro a tough time.

As for your second point, take a good look at the title of the thread. It's more of a myth that Zoro has amazing striking speed (given the circle jerk that happens with Zoro's character) than anything about Carrot's character (regarding feats).

 

[LBeezy]

My list atm is

Vivi
Momo
Carrot
Jinbe

I agree with everyone except for Momo.. you know he's gonna have to be in Wano bro.

It shows that his striking speed isn't amazing. Why would Zoro not try (if that's what you're implying)? Given Zoro's character and the page prior to that, it makes little sense for him not to try. He was serious. Downplay Carrot? I'm not sure how you came to that assumption when I clearly showed a page of her giving Zoro a tough time.

As for your second point, take a good look at the title of the thread. It's more of a myth that Zoro has amazing striking speed (given the circle jerk that happens with Zoro's character) than anything about Carrot's character (regarding feats).

I beg to differ.. to me, it shows that his striking speed is amazing just as Carrot's reaction/dodging speed is amazing.

So you're saying that Zoro should've put on his bandana before attacking and just used Asura on Carrot?

You're downplaying Carrot by saying Zoro can't have amazing striking speed because she dodged it. While I'm saying she just has awesome reaction/dodging speed because she dodged it.

Example: Kizaru has amazing striking speed. Rayleigh was able to counter Kizaru. So now does Kizaru no longer have amazing striking speed? Or is it just that Rayleigh is fast as well?

See what I mean?


And no it's not a "myth" that Zoro has amazing striking speed.. it can be considered an opinion however..

 

[Tomato God]

It shows that his striking speed isn't amazing. Why would Zoro not try (if that's what you're implying)? Given Zoro's character and the page prior to that, it makes little sense for him not to try. He was serious. Downplay Carrot? I'm not sure how you came to that assumption when I clearly showed a page of her giving Zoro a tough time.

As for your second point, take a good look at the title of the thread. It's more of a myth that Zoro has amazing striking speed (given the circle jerk that happens with Zoro's character) than anything about Carrot's character (regarding feats).

If zoro does something in .000001 seconds that makes him fast

If it's shown that another character moves faster that doesn't make zoro's .0000001 seconds slow. That just makes carrot also as fast.

Showing how she also blitzed luffy thats probably the case.

But if you make his speed slow saying it takes him a whole second to swing his sword it also makes carrot (whose only two feats are speed/agility) also slower

Do you get it now buddy?

I agree with everyone except for Momo.. you know he's gonna have to be in Wano bro.

I'm betting they don't reclaim wano and momo ends up going with them in order to become stronger and fufill his dream of becoming the shogun.

Think about it from a story perspective. Luffy is the man of miracles. It's utterly foolish to go toe to toe with the rubber man cause all he does is win. If he loses to kiado but enough so that it is a toss up, it effectively shows how strong he has become while still giving him room to improve. And out of everyone they have gathered so far luffy is probably one of if not thee strongest and they still don't have enough to beat kiado.

 

[LBeezy]

If zoro does something in .000001 seconds that makes him fast

If it's shown that another character moves faster that doesn't make zoro's .0000001 seconds slow. That just makes carrot also as fast.

Showing how she also blitzed luffy thats probably the case.

But if you make his speed slow saying it takes him a whole second to swing his sword it also makes carrot (whose only two feats are speed/agility) also slower

Do you get it now buddy?


I'm betting they don't reclaim wano and momo ends up going with them in order to become stronger and fufill his dream of becoming the shogun.

Think about it from a story perspective. Luffy is the man of miracles. It's utterly foolish to go toe to toe with the rubber man cause all he does is win. If he loses to kiado but enough so that it is a toss up, it effectively shows how strong he has become while still giving him room to improve. And out of everyone they have gathered so far luffy is probably one of if not thee strongest and they still don't have enough to beat kiado.

Ahh I never thought about that option before.. I wouldn't mind that too much it did happen, but are you saying that you think Momo would later on go back to Wano when he is older and alot stronger? Like let's say End of series?

 

[Insidious Smile]

I guess Luffy and Law's striking speed also sucks since they didn't even react to Carrot attacking.

Dat logic...

OT; The greatest myths:

1. Zoro is as strong as Luffy! ← LOL
2. Zoro left eye power-up! ← LOL
3. Zoro would have been able to defeat Doflamingo! ← LOL
4. Zoro can defeat Jack! ← LOL

 

[A v i]

Dat logic...

OT; The greatest myths:

1. Zoro is as strong as Luffy! ← LOL
2. Zoro left eye power-up! ← LOL
3. Zoro would have been able to defeat Doflamingo! ← LOL
4. Zoro can defeat Jack! ← LOL

None of them were proved to be wrong. <---- Lmao.

It shows that his striking speed isn't amazing. Why would Zoro not try (if that's what you're implying)? Given Zoro's character and the page prior to that, it makes little sense for him not to try. He was serious. Downplay Carrot? I'm not sure how you came to that assumption when I clearly showed a page of her giving Zoro a tough time.

As for your second point, take a good look at the title of the thread. It's more of a myth that Zoro has amazing striking speed (given the circle jerk that happens with Zoro's character) than anything about Carrot's character (regarding feats).

Have you ever tried considering that, it's Carrot who has amazing speed and reactions not that Zoro's reactions are terrible? And if it isn't for your unconditional desire to downplay Zoro's character, You should've realized that it is completely unlike Zoro to go all out VS a completely unknown opponent unless he believes that the said opponent is strong. He fought people who are of different levels after TS, most if not all of them aren't even in his league. Yet he didn't simply overwhelm them, he adjusted himself and fought to their level. Zoro actually reacted to Carrot and her speed. Only thing he failed to saw through was her ability to change her course, which was totally unexpected for Zoro considering he's not familiar with such an ability. It's been already established before TS that Zoro has amazing reactions and striking rate. So, if he didn't hit someone, then it'd mean the said person has godly speed/reactions or that he isn't giving his best. Simple as that.

 

[ToshiZO]

Myth: Luffy has a fast attack speed.

Fact: He got a named gear second attack blocked by Fodder Hyozou who got blitzed by Zoro after taking a handful of drugs.

 

[Caliburn]

But what does the setence above that say?
But if that ain't enough I got more source

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Both your links find their origin in the same interview, so it's the same source. Secondly that sentence you are referring to seems contextwise to be the interpretation of the one who wrote that article in response to the quote below it. The quote was added to back up the claim the author made. Thirdly your 2nd link is rather vague in their descriptions as if you would follow a wider interpretation of what is said there, what they describe has already happened. Seven crews and their captains joined Luffy. Luffy already considers them his nakama and they call themselves the Strawhat fleet, so they perfectly fulfill what is described in your 2nd link.

More like vivi and momo

Momo is a small child that's the sole heir to an important position in a country that's currently on the brink of a civil war. Unless he somehow learns to take care of himself and to somehow have his responsibilities removed, he really isn't scoring to well on the potential new Strawhat list. The only thing he has going for him, is that ability of him to communicate with Zunisha. That however can be bypassed by having him temporarily travel with the Strawhats, that's what Vivi did.

And Vivi is in a similar situation, though she's even more unlikely to join. She had her chance two years ago, but she made the decision to stay in Alabasta and currently the possibility of her leaving her country to join Luffy has become even more implausible than it was back then as her father is in bad health. She's really not going to on adventures when her father could die at any moment or become so ill it wouldn't be possible anymore for him to bare the burden of ruling a country.

PS: It's really sad that this entire thread has been reduced again to inaccurate and stupid match-ups between characters.

 

[loj]

Dat logic...

OT; The greatest myths:

1. Zoro is as strong as Luffy! ← LOL
2. Zoro left eye power-up! ← LOL
3. Zoro would have been able to defeat Doflamingo! ← LOL
4. Zoro can defeat Jack! ← LOL

On Zoro's eye part...you can't prove different either.The fact that we know nothing about his scar means there's something behind it.

That's what I think at least since all the scars he got we got info on 'em.

 

[Skull Knight]

Myth: Nami is the weakest member in SH crew
She already solo'ed Monster Trio

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she can even break armours

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[Prince Badman]

This is just some things I see that annoy the heck out of me haha. I plan on doing more.

Myth:There will be no more new straw hats
Maybe some people just missed this sbs but I see this stated over and over again

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Its a garuentee that we will have more than the 9
enjoy

Myth:The next strawhat will be a former villian
This is another thing i see commonly brought up here

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This is from the old Jump festival of 2009, before franky joined. So in most probablity it was a reference to franky

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Myth:Zoro isn't the first mate
This is mostly the result of the strawhat organization being so loosely put together and having no real higherarchy than Captain and then democracy

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Zoro has been called the first mate by name (Barto) and has been the only character to tell luffy that he isn't going to do something (water 7)

1. Yes it has been often implied that there will be at 1 more addition to the crew however there are certain theories that suggest a discrepancy in the counting and allotting the numbers. The variation in the counting occurs to who Oda considers the 1st strawhat....is it Luffy or Zorro or when Luffy said he wanted a crew of 10 people did he include himself in those 10 or he meant 10 people excluding him......Other than this conflict the new additions will most likely be in the SH grand fleet....Remember that ship on fishmen island how many people do you think it can carry............

2. Yes many think it is franky but some suggest that it might be Vivi because she too was introduced as an opposing party for her debut.......Robin already fits this criteria.....some speculate the addition of crocodile but i find it highly unlikely...recently many people have suggested it to be Caesar, the theories have been elaborate and factual but what i think is that it has always been Luffy's decision who to include in his team...till now he hasn't shown any inclination towards anyone except for Vivi and Jinbe which makes me think that Caesar won't be a part of the crew.

3. As far as authority is concerned it never really mattered much to anyone except in the critical situations where we saw that everyone respected Luffy's decision and subsequently made strategies......Zorro is much like Luffy in many things...it mught be Nami who dictates the terms as a navigator generally but in crunch situations its Zorro's vote that counts the most after Luffy.......he might not officially be the vice captain but unofficially he is. He is the one who is able to dominate Luffy's course of actions with a bit of advice in various situations and Luffy too heeds to Zorro's words far above the others.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

None of them were proved to be wrong. <---- Lmao.

Completely irrelevant, that's not how burden of proof works! ← ROFL

 

[A v i]

Completely irrelevant, that's not how burden of proof works! ← ROFL

The most irrelevant part here is your post. <------- Lmfao.


EDIT: Just in case if you can't see through it. I was being sarcastic towards him. You don't have to lecture me about how things are done or work;

I don't think Zoro is as strong as Luffy.
I don't believe the scare on Zoro's eye is anything more than an injury.
I don't think Zoro'd have beaten Doflamingo. Seriously, no serious Zoro fan ever said this, some people simply can't stop from misleading things concerning Zoro.
Whether or not Zoro can beat Jack depends on how strong Jack is, Though, I thought Zoro may fight Jack at Zou.

 

[LBeezy]

The most irrelevant part here is your post. <------- Lmfao.


EDIT: Just in case if you can't see through it. I was being sarcastic towards him. You don't have to lecture me about how things are done or work;

I don't think Zoro is as strong as Luffy.
I don't believe the scare on Zoro's eye is anything more than an injury.
I don't think Zoro'd have beaten Doflamingo. Seriously, no serious Zoro fan ever said this, some people simply can't stop from misleading things concerning Zoro.
Whether or not Zoro can beat Jack depends on how strong Jack is, Though, I thought Zoro may fight Jack at Zou.

Zoro ain't losing to Jack. Guarantee it.

 

[A v i]

Zoro ain't losing to Jack. Guarantee it.

As said before, Depends on how strong Zoro and Jack are. So, I won't say you're wrong.

 

[LBeezy]

As said before, Depends on how strong Zoro and Jack are. So, I won't say you're wrong.

Agreed. kun: