[Discussion] Myths versus Facts

[Tomato God]

This is just some things I see that annoy the heck out of me haha. I plan on doing more.

Myth:There will be no more new straw hats
Maybe some people just missed this sbs but I see this stated over and over again

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Its a garuentee that we will have more than the 9
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Myth:The next strawhat will be a former villian
This is another thing i see commonly brought up here

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This is from the old Jump festival of 2009, before franky joined. So in most probablity it was a reference to franky

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Myth:Zoro isn't the first mate
This is mostly the result of the strawhat organization being so loosely put together and having no real higherarchy than Captain and then democracy

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Zoro has been called the first mate by name (Barto) and has been the only character to tell luffy that he isn't going to do something (water 7)

 

[imperialmadara]

There will be at least one more straw hat, in the start luffy says i need a crew, at least 10 member, there are 9 right now. Jinbei and Luffy have given each other their word to join the crew but at a later date, so we can expect Jinbei as next member, or a soon to be member,
and even though Luffys team is loosely organised, Zoro still is the first mate, they met each other before Nami, and all the confusion is because of her, as she joined them, then left them, then ussop joined, then sanji joined i guess, and then after arlong park arc, she joined officially , but that does not affect zoro in anyway.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Inb4 Riker denies that Zoro is Luffy's right hand man even though it's been heavily implied.

 

[Hexuze]

Myth: Zoro has amazing striking speed
Fact: Outmaneuvered by Carrot and ended up sweating.

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:yeah:

 

[straightup]

As far as the one piece first mate issue is concerned. Go to onepieceofficial.com and look at Zoros little clip. Luffy is the captain, zoro is the first mate, sanji is the chef, Nani is the navigator, chopper is the doctor, Brooke is the musician, franky is the shipwright, robin is the ponygliph translator, ussop is the sniper. Everyone has a role in the crew.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Myth: Zoro has amazing striking speed
Fact: Outmaneuvered by Carrot and ended up sweating.

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:yeah:

I guess Luffy and Law's striking speed also sucks since they didn't even react to Carrot attacking.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Bartolomeo said it was his opinion though....that is not credible enough. Only time will tell if oda is comfortable enough to label zoro as a VC just like labels luffy as a captain or nami as a navigator.

 

[Hexuze]

I guess Luffy and Law's striking speed also sucks since they didn't even react to Carrot attacking.

Why are you getting defensive? LOL. Either way, Zoro receives more praise regarding striking/reaction speed than the two you mentioned.

 

[chopstickchakra]

There will be at least one more straw hat, in the start luffy says i need a crew, at least 10 member, there are 9 right now. Jinbei and Luffy have given each other their word to join the crew but at a later date, so we can expect Jinbei as next member, or a soon to be member,
and even though Luffys team is loosely organised, Zoro still is the first mate, they met each other before Nami, and all the confusion is because of her, as she joined them, then left them, then ussop joined, then sanji joined i guess, and then after arlong park arc, she joined officially , but that does not affect zoro in anyway.

Luffy said he wanted a crew of ten before setting sail on the GL but he went sooner than 10 anyway so we shouldn't hold that too closely.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Why are you getting defensive? LOL. Either way, Zoro receives more praise regarding striking/reaction speed than the two you mentioned.

Lol what? Since when is proving someone wrong considered being on the defensive?

 

[Hexuze]

Lol what? Since when is proving someone wrong considered being on the defensive?

You weren't proving me wrong lol. Instead you brought up characters that are irrelevant to the myth/fact I posted. Even your first post shows how defensive you are over Zoro.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Why is Zoro being 1st mate or not even relevant? Bottom line is that he is the number two in strength.

Also, Luffy has 8 crew members. Luffy said he wanted to recruit AT LEAST 10 people so there 2 more that is guaranteed.

 

[Caliburn]

In regards to the first myth, the link you posted clearly says this:

“There’s still the possibility for more members to appear one after the other!”

That's placing the door open for potential new Strawhats, not confirming that there will be new ones. The reality is that there is a limit to how many still could join for the simple reason you can't keep adding new members as the series will end at one point. So by default there's a point where it's too late to add new members because the story has progressed too far.

Why is Zoro being 1st mate or not even relevant? Bottom line is that he is the number two in strength.

Also, Luffy has 8 crew members. Luffy said he wanted to recruit AT LEAST 10 people so there 2 more that is guaranteed.

Well within the overall context of adding new Strawhats it's important as all the crew members conform with certain patterns. With other words the more patterns a character conforms with, the higher the chance becomes that that character will become a Strawhat. One of those patterns is that each member has a role: doctor, cook, navigator etc. so a potential member should also have a role. However there are people who say Zoro does not have a role and hence it doesn't have to apply either to new members.

And outside that you have the underlying thought that if Zoro is officially recognized as the 1st mate, he's higher than all the other Strawhats if you would follow the strict definition of seeing that position as a position of power. It would be a way of saying Zoro > all the other Strawhats, hence I believe that that is the reason as why Oda never directly stated that Zoro is Luffy's 1st mate and instead dropped a hellish amount of indirect hints to imply it as the opposite wouldn't make sense either: the first person to join Luffy, the one who was the longest with him, the first one who joined him while he neither had a ship nor a bounty nor even any kind of renown, the first person to place himself under Luffy's leadership and thus all alone formed the crew he was leading, does not have any kind of role and seems to be added randomly =/ That doesn't make any sense, something people who vehemently keep denying the strong possibility of Zoro being the 1st mate don't even seem to realize. Hence why Oda went about this in a more roundabout way and used a more symbolical interpretation of what a 1st mate is. I'm rather confident that this is somewhat Oda's train of thought on this matter. He wanted to avoid the implications of the term, but at the same time wanted to underline it significance.


Also Luffy said the 10 member thing all the way back at the start of the series, nearly two decades ago. So as a guarantee that's very weak as even Oda did not have planned out the entire story to such a degree. Not to mention it's also a matter of debate whether that 10 was meant to include him or not.

 

[Tomato God]

In regards to the first myth, the link you posted clearly says this:
That's placing the door open for potential new Strawhats, not confirming that there will be new ones. The reality is that there is a limit to how many still could join for the simple reason you can't keep adding new members as the series will end at one point. So by default there's a point where it's too late to add new members because the story has progressed too far.

But what does the setence above that say?
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[Uzumaki Macho]

BB has 10 commanders, so Luffy will need 2 more crew members.

 

[loj]

10 members? Carrot and Jinbei anyone? No? Okey

 

[Tomato God]

10 members? Carrot and Jinbei anyone? No? Okey

More like vivi and momo

 

[LBeezy]

Myth: Zoro has amazing striking speed
Fact: Outmaneuvered by Carrot and ended up sweating.

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:yeah:

• since when do characters in manga attack other characters that they don't fully know if they're bad or good or what, with their fastest and strongest and overall best attack? Lol

• why do you have to downplay Carrot like that? Why can't Zoro in fact have "amazing striking speed", and Carrot at the same time just have amazing reaction/dodging speed?!? (Therefore making both characters look good)

 

[Tomato God]

• since when do characters in manga attack other characters that they don't fully know if they're bad or good or what, with their fastest and strongest and overall best attack? Lol

• why do you have to downplay Carrot like that? Why can't Zoro in fact have "amazing striking speed", and Carrot at the same time just have amazing reaction/dodging speed?!? (Therefore making both characters look good)

She jumped off the tip of his blade mid-air.
She is my #1 for nakama right now haha

 

[LBeezy]

She jumped off the tip of his blade mid-air.
She is my #1 for nakama right now haha

Lol I know right!! xd she's a beast!! (No pun intended lol)