Does Indra have Rikudou Chakra?

[NarutoX28]

There's no such thing as yang chakra, Yang energy is purely physical energy, Yin energy is purely spiritual energy, chakra is the combination of both.

I know that. I choose not to be technical because at the end of the day, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Ashura had the Sage's body therefore had his level of Yang energy while Indra had his level of Yin energy which resulted in him a further devolved version of Kaguya's eye.

Great, so if Indra only had his level of Yin Energy, he's still missing his Yang Energy needed to awaken Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[SenseiSama]

Why would it be larger in size if it was used to cover kurama? Madara's still had power to slice mountain tops just like his PS. Sasuke's and Naruto's had enough power to break the sword of nunoboko.

The size of Naruto's avatar was 1/3 of original Kurama which Madara used. Madara's PS could slice mountains, Sasuke didn't display that feat until he received the Sage's chakra.

 

[NarutoX28]

Naruto's avatar was 1/3 of original Kurama which Madara used. Madara's PS could slice mountains, Sasuke didn't display that feat until he received the Sage's chakra.

That only means Sasuke's PS was inferior due to Chakra Potency.

 

[SenseiSama]

I know that. I choose not to be technical because at the end of the day, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Lol so by Yang chakra you just meant Yin + Yang but with more Yang and less Yin ?

Great, so if Indra only had his level of Yin Energy, he's still missing his Yang Energy needed to awaken Hagoromo's chakra.

Yes, he still has the Yang energy Ashura inherited but not enough of it to awaken Hago's dojutsu, because the genes he inherited gave him enough spiritual energy to awaken dojutsu but not enough to awaken the Rinnegan.

Likewise, Ashura had the Yin energy Indra inherited but not enough of it to awaken dojutsu, because the genes he was born with were for the Sage's body.

 

[NarutoX28]

Lol so by Yang chakra you just meant Yin + Yang but with more Yang and less Yin ?

I was referring to Physical Energy when I said Yang Chakra.

Yes, he still has the Yang energy Ashura inherited but not enough of it to awaken Hago's dojutsu, because the genes he inherited gave him enough spiritual energy to awaken dojutsu but not enough to awaken the Rinnegan.

Not stated. All that was stated was that Indra inherited Rikudou's Yin Energy, not that he only inherited a part his Yang Energy.

The 2nd sentence doesn't make sense as only a small portion of Ashura's chakra was needed for Madara to awaken the Rinnegan.

Likewise, Ashura had the Yin energy Indra inherited but not enough of it to awaken dojutsu, because the genes he was born with were for the Sage's body.

Your DNA carries the user's chakra as well, so being born with some of Hagoromo's Yin Energy would mean he had the genes meant for both his Eyes and his Body.

 

[Styles]

The size of Naruto's avatar was 1/3 of original Kurama which Madara used. Madara's PS could slice mountains, Sasuke didn't display that feat until he received the Sage's chakra.

Madara's PS could slice mountains as shown when he fused his with kurama. Sasuke and Naruto with the same technique broke the sword of nunoboko. If you need Rinnegan/sage chakra for PS then Madara don't have PS which is wrong.

 

[Styles]

No I didn't. You claimed that Sasuke got Yin whereas Naruto got Yang, but if that were the case, then how did they have Yin-Yang Release Mastery when they're missing the other component?

Sasuke got the sages yin half and Naruto have the sages yang. They can learn yin-yang release because Sasuke have Rinnegan and Naruto RSM. They don't have it but the mode/doujutsu they have can let them learn it.

 

[NarutoX28]

Sasuke got the sages yin half and Naruto have the sages yang. They can learn yin-yang release because Sasuke have Rinnegan and Naruto RSM. They don't have it but the mode/doujutsu they have can let them learn it.

They can use Yin-Yang Release because their techniques reflects their chakra which is composed of both Yin and Yang, similar to how the Sharingan reflects the Uchiha's powerful Yin Energy which is why they're so proficient in Genjutsu.

 

[SenseiSama]

I was referring to Physical Energy when I said Yang Chakra.

Oh ok, it's confusing because chakra is physical energy combined with spiritual energy, Yang energy alone isn't chakra.

Not stated. All that was stated was that Indra inherited Rikudou's Yin Energy, not that he only inherited a part his Yang Energy.

The 2nd sentence doesn't make sense as only a small portion of Ashura's chakra was needed for Madara to awaken the Rinnegan

He had Rikudou chakra and it's already been stated Hagoromo's chakra = Indra's Yin + Ashura's Yang, it means Indra would have had some of the Yang energy Ashura inherited just not the same amount as his brother.

As I said before, the Yang energy he had was not enough to unlock a Rinnegan because the amount required for his eyes to evolve was inherited by Ashura. Madara didn't need a small portion of chakra, he implanted Hashirama's cells which means he gained Ashura's body which Indra was not born with.

The body is what produces the Yang energy required to unlock Rinnegan, Indra had some of the Sage's Yang but not the body to produce enough of it to unlock the Sage's eyes.

Your DNA carries the user's chakra as well, so being born with some of Hagoromo's Yin Energy would mean he had the genes meant for both his Eyes and his Body.

As I said before, Hagoromo's genes were divided between his sons. Ashura had his body and therefore his level of physical energy, Indra had dojutsu and therefore his level of spiritual energy.

They both inherited Yin and Yang energy from the Sage but one didn't have his level of physical energy while the other didn't have his level of spiritual energy, but the energy they inherited still came from Hagoromo.

 

[SenseiSama]

Madara's PS could slice mountains as shown when he fused his with kurama. Sasuke and Naruto with the same technique broke the sword of nunoboko. If you need Rinnegan/sage chakra for PS then Madara don't have PS which is wrong.

Nunoboku is powered by the user's will, Naruto overpowered Obito's will which is why they were able to break the sword. I'm not saying Sasuke needed Sage chakra to unlock PS, I'm saying without the chakra he would have needed to wait more time to unlock it. Rikudou chakra boosted the Sharingan's power to the point he unlocked PS immediately like DMS Kakashi.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I'd say who cares, they both ended up being equal and destroyed each other.

 

[Styles]

They can use Yin-Yang Release because their techniques reflects their chakra which is composed of both Yin and Yang, similar to how the Sharingan reflects the Uchiha's powerful Yin Energy which is why they're so proficient in Genjutsu.

Izanagi is basically a yin-yang release jutsu it's a form of COAT. But you need Rinnegan and or RSM to master yin-yang release.

Nunoboku is powered by the user's will, Naruto overpowered Obito's will which is why they were able to break the sword. I'm not saying Sasuke needed Sage chakra to unlock PS, I'm saying without the chakra he would have needed to wait more time to unlock it. Rikudou chakra boosted the Sharingan's power to the point he unlocked PS immediately like DMS Kakashi.

But he already had it with EMS. Same as Madara. He was even gonna use it when Naruto asked him if he can keep up. Rikudou chakra just boosted it's power like it did RSM Naruto's avatar.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Indra was born with his dad's powerful chakra. Ashura did too but Indra's was natural while Ashura had to train to awaken his.

Asura received a handout and the proof is Hogaromo trusted both sasuke and Naruto with power upgrading them. Yet asura had 6 paths sage mode and indra has ms. It's pretty clear Asura needed the handout to even equal his brother.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Asura received a handout and the proof is Hogaromo trusted both sasuke and Naruto with power upgrading them. Yet asura had 6 paths sage mode and indra has ms. It's pretty clear Asura needed the handout to even equal his brother.

Come again?

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[Ansatsuken]

You proved my point Hagoromo gave them rikudou chakra but Indra and Ashura was born with Hagoromo's chakra. Rinnegan grants the user to learn yin yang and yin-yang release yes same as RSM but they don't "have" it you know? Hagoromo's chakra that was passed down to Indra gave him a sharingan. And Ashura whatever he used to make that avatar(though he had to train).

Kaguya at first thought it was Hagoromo and Hamura. Then she saw Indra and Ashura's chakra in Naruto and Sasuke. Like I said even though they have their chakra they still have their own chakra signature. Being Ashura's reincarnation gave Naruto large chakra reserves. Being Indra's reincarnation gave Sasuke a powerful strong chakra more and stronger than their other clan members. If I had a kid in NV my chakra would be passed down to that kid even though that kid had my chakra during his birth it wouldn't have my chakra signature but his own. Otherwise Hagoromo and Hamura who have Kaguya's chakra would have her chakra signature but they don't.

I can agree with this.

This was the best explanation so far.

 

[Holy God]

Kaguya at first thought it was Hagoromo and Hamura. Then she saw Indra and Ashura's chakra in Naruto and Sasuke. Like I said even though they have their chakra they still have their own chakra signature. Being Ashura's reincarnation gave Naruto large chakra reserves. Being Indra's reincarnation gave Sasuke a powerful strong chakra more and stronger than their other clan members. If I had a kid in NV my chakra would be passed down to that kid even though that kid had my chakra during his birth it wouldn't have my chakra signature but his own. Otherwise Hagoromo and Hamura who have Kaguya's chakra would have her chakra signature but they don't.[/B][/COLOR]

That's doesn't make sense. If Hagoromo has Kaguya's chakra and Indra has Hagoromo's, then you're suggesting Indra has Kaguya's chakra since they're all the same. If chakra didn't change then down the line it would never decrease in potency and everyone would have Kaguya's chakra potency. Hagoromo already said you need to combine Ashura's and Indra's to get his own, but you're saying all three are equal which would make that wrong.

 

[Namar]

I noticed most have come with the assumption that Indra has Hagoromo's chakra meaning that he possesses both his Yin and Yang and people constantly refer to the fact that Indra was able to use his Perfect Susano'o w/ MS rather than requiring EMS to support that. This is simply not true and I wanted to address this idea first before I debunk the idea that he had Rikudou's Chakra.

First, Indra being able to manifest a PS w/ just an MS is not proof that he has the Sage's Chakra. This can easily be explained from what Obito has stated:

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Their blood thinned over future generations which is an indication that Indra's chakra grew weaker throughout future generations, so Indra being capable of using PS with his MS is an indication that he simply has a stronger chakra than Madara and Sasuke who required the EMS as they had weaker chakras than Indra.

As for proof that Indra did not have Rikudou's Chakra, this is outright stated here:

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Indra inherited only Hagoromo's Spiritual Energy. He never inherited the Yang component as that went to Ashura instead. This is further supported here:



Why did the Uchiha inherit only Yin Release whereas the Senju only inherited Yang Release? Because their ancestors Ashura and Indra only inherited Yang Release or Yin Release respectively. If Indra possessed both components, then the Uchiha Clan would've inherited Yin and Yang yet they only received one component of Hagoromo's Power.

Additionally, Hagoromo's Power is referred to as the Power of the Uchiha and Senju:

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Are you suddenly going to make such a bold claim that Indra possessed the Senju's Power as well? I hope not because it's made clear that the Senju's power stemmed from Ashura, not from Indra. Furthermore, the Uchiha and Senju used to be one and the same:

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If it used to be one and the same, then that implies that it isn't anymore, but how did it branch off if Indra and Ashura had Hagoromo's complete chakra? Hagoromo was hyped up as the Sage who possessed both powers. Why would that have meaning if Indra and his descendants possessed Hagoromo's Yin and Yang?

Finally, Indra never had Rikudou's chakra as he never possessed the Rinnegan:

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We know Indra's Chakra never possessed the Yang component because it required Ashura's chakra to mix and form Rikudou's Chakra:

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If he had Rikudou's Chakra, he should've awakened the Rinnegan as he inherited the Sage's eyes correct?

I know people use this as a common rebuttal, "But Indra inherited Hagoromo's chakra genez" without even understanding the context of the statement. Hagoromo was clearly referring to the idea that Ashura had none of Rikudou's natural potential whereas Indra received it. This is explained here:

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Hagoromo initially stated that Ashura didn't have the chakra genes whereas Indra did. Naruto's confused, so Hagoromo explains it in a better way and refers to the fact that Ashura had no potential whereas Indra did. This makes it clear that Hagoromo stated that Indra had Hagoromo's chakra genes because he inherited his potential, not because he literally had Hagoromo's chakra.

That's all for now. Hopefully that gave some insight on the fact that Indra did not have the Sage's Chakra.

I wanna see Indra's Susanoo'. That would be awesome. It should have been a lot more powerful than Madara's "Destruction Incarnate".

 

[Styles]

That's doesn't make sense. If Hagoromo has Kaguya's chakra and Indra has Hagoromo's, then you're suggesting Indra has Kaguya's chakra since they're all the same. If chakra didn't change then down the line it would never decrease in potency and everyone would have Kaguya's chakra potency. Hagoromo already said you need to combine Ashura's and Indra's to get his own, but you're saying all three are equal which would make that wrong.

Not really Hagoromo have Kaguya's chakra but not all it was split between her kids and even then it wasn't the full brunt of it. Hagoromo had Indra and Ashura and the same happened they have his chakra but it was split it isn't the full brunt of it. Exactly you proved my point again chakra decreases in potency RinneSharingan > Rinnegan > sharingan. In Kaguya's Hagoromo's and Indra. Just because his chakra isn't as powerful as his dad's or grandma's he still have Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[Holy God]

Not really Hagoromo have Kaguya's chakra but not all it was split between her kids and even then it wasn't the full brunt of it. Hagoromo had Indra and Ashura and the same happened they have his chakra but it was split it isn't the full brunt of it. Exactly you proved my point again chakra decreases in potency RinneSharingan > Rinnegan > sharingan. In Kaguya's Hagoromo's and Indra. Just because his chakra isn't as powerful as his dad's or grandma's he still have Hagoromo's chakra.

That's impossible. If two chakra sources have different potencies and different signatures then they are completely different.

 

[HENI]

Hagoromos powerful chakra is yin and his life force is Yang.