Does Indra have Rikudou Chakra?

[NarutoX28]

What context of what Hagoromo said am I ignoring then?

Even with that Madara and Sasuke was the first ones to use PS other than Indra he had Hagoromo's chakra but it weakened over time but his strong chakra was still there just not rikudou enhanced anymore. I did read the post and the OP but i disagree with it.

Exactly Hagoromo didn't lie. Then Indra did inherit his strong chakra which is rikudou chakra. He didn't get Rinnegan the same reason Hagoromo and Hamura didn't get RinneSharingan/Byakugan. Her RinneSharingan in it's purest form became Rinnegan in Hagoromo's eyes. And supposedly Hamura had Tenseigan not Byakugan. Hagoromo's chakra made Indra awaken or born with a sharingan which is why sharingan can evolve into the Rinnegan.

Ashura had rikudou chakra too maybe but it was dormant and for it to blossom he had to train with others with cooperation like Naruto and his BM mode.

Okay, simple question.

Do you think Indra inherited both Rikudou's Yin and Yang or just his Yin Energy?

 

[Styles]

Okay, simple question.

Do you think Indra inherited both Rikudou's Yin and Yang or just his Yin Energy?

Sharingan is yin he inherited his strong chakra sharingan(yin) But it's still rikudou chakra.

 

[NarutoX28]

Sharingan is yin he inherited his strong chakra sharingan(yin) But it's still rikudou chakra.

I don't necessarily agree with that thinking, but I understand what you're saying, so I agree here.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Probably

 

[NarutoX28]

Probably

His complete chakra or only his Yin Chakra?

 

[wanderingcactus]

wait... seriously people think that they both have both parts of Hago's chakra?

lol... if thats the case then they shouldve been born with rinnegan.

that alone makes this /thread.

seriously some people just hype their fanbases waaay too much.

Yin = Indra. Yang = Ashura. Same with Hago and Hamu... That's why Hago's rinnegan isnt a red tomoed rinnegan. And I'm assuming Hamu's tenseigan didnt awaken until he was an adult. because you know, parallels.

 

[Styles]

wait... seriously people think that they both have both parts of Hago's chakra?

lol... if thats the case then they shouldve been born with rinnegan.

that alone makes this /thread.

seriously some people just hype their fanbases waaay too much.

Yin = Indra. Yang = Ashura. Same with Hago and Hamu... That's why Hago's rinnegan isnt a red tomoed rinnegan. And I'm assuming Hamu's tenseigan didnt awaken until he was an adult. because you know, parallels.

Not really take Kaguya for example neither of her kids have RinneSharingan or Byakugan Hamura supposedly had Tenseigan and Hagoromo had Rinnegan despite having Kaguya's chakra.
Same can be with Hagoromo's kids Indra had a devolved Rinnegan(sharingan) with his dad's powerful chakra. While Ashura got his dad's body power but had to train and needed cooperation to unlock it to match his brother's. But Indra is yin while Ashura is yang.

 

[Holy God]

Exactly Hagoromo didn't lie. Then Indra did inherit his strong chakra which is rikudou chakra. He didn't get Rinnegan the same reason Hagoromo and Hamura didn't get RinneSharingan/Byakugan. Her RinneSharingan in it's purest form became Rinnegan in Hagoromo's eyes. And supposedly Hamura had Tenseigan not Byakugan. Hagoromo's chakra made Indra awaken or born with a sharingan which is why sharingan can evolve into the Rinnegan.

It's an obvious and proven fact that one's chakra determines their bloodline limits. Even Naruto was able to use the Tailed Beasts' after receiving their chakra. It's also evident when Hagoromo himself explained that his chakra granted his bloodline limit, the Rinnegan in Madara. If Indra inherited Hagoromo's exact chakra signature then he would have the Rinnegan; "no ifs, ands, or buts". If that were so then you wouldn't need both halves in order to recreate Hagoromo's chakra (once again, as he said so himself). Kaguya also wouldn't be able to differentiate between him and Indra with her Byakugan, yet she did. Also, the Sharingan does not evolve into the Rinnegan. That was a theory Kabuto made that was later on debunked after the introduction of reincarnation. They're two different eyes.

 

[Styles]

It's an obvious and proven fact that one's chakra determines their bloodline limits. Even Naruto was able to use the Tailed Beasts' after receiving their chakra. It's also evident when Hagoromo himself explained that his chakra granted his bloodline limit, the Rinnegan in Madara. If Indra inherited Hagoromo's exact chakra signature then he would have the Rinnegan; "no ifs, ands, or buts". If that were so then you wouldn't need both halves in order to recreate Hagoromo's chakra (once again, as he said so himself). Kaguya also wouldn't be able to differentiate between him and Indra with her Byakugan, yet she did. Also, the Sharingan does not evolve into the Rinnegan. That was a theory Kabuto made that was later on debunked after the introduction of reincarnation. They're two different eyes.

It's also a known fact that Hagoromo and Hamura have Kaguya's chakra but not her powers or doujutsu's. Even Hagoromo himself said Indra inherited his strong chakra. Sharingan don't evolve into a Rinnegan? Obviously they're different eyes but it's still an evolution of it. Indra was born with sharingan so either Hagoromo's Rinnegan devolved in Indra or he got the sharingan part of Kaguya's RinneSharingan which I highly doubt. Hagoromo and Hamura have Kaguya's chakra. And Ashura and Indra have Hagoromo's chakra be it split or not. We can't deny something that Hagoromo said. Indra inherited his strong chakra genes.

 

[Holy God]

It's also a known fact that Hagoromo and Hamura have Kaguya's chakra but not her powers or doujutsu's. Even Hagoromo himself said Indra inherited his strong chakra. Sharingan don't evolve into a Rinnegan? Obviously they're different eyes but it's still an evolution of it. Indra was born with sharingan so either Hagoromo's Rinnegan devolved in Indra or he got the sharingan part of Kaguya's RinneSharingan which I highly doubt. Hagoromo and Hamura have Kaguya's chakra. And Ashura and Indra have Hagoromo's chakra be it split or not. We can't deny something that Hagoromo said. Indra inherited his strong chakra genes.

No, it's a known fact that neither Hagoromo nor Hamura had Kaguya's chakra. If Hagoromo had her chakra and Indra had his then you're saying that Indra has Kaguya's chakra, which is absurd to say the least. Hagoromo never stated such a thing. He only said that Indra received genes for creating powerful chakra, not the exact same chakra. If chakra didn't change then everyone would have Kaguya's exact chakra, and they don't.

As for the Rinnegan, Zetsu already implied that Ashura's descendants could awaken it if given Indra's chakra. They are completely different eyes and nothing alike. Just because Madara got it after already having a Sharingan does not mean it evolved, simply that he gained another eye technique.

 

[Styles]

No, it's a known fact that neither Hagoromo nor Hamura had Kaguya's chakra. If Hagoromo had her chakra and Indra had his then you're saying that Indra has Kaguya's chakra, which is absurd to say the least. Hagoromo never stated such a thing. He only said that Indra received genes for creating powerful chakra, not the exact same chakra. If chakra didn't change then everyone would have Kaguya's exact chakra, and they don't.

As for the Rinnegan, Zetsu already implied that Ashura's descendants could awaken it if given Indra's chakra. They are completely different eyes and nothing alike. Just because Madara got it after already having a Sharingan does not mean it evolved, simply that he gained another eye technique.

Hagoromo or Kaguya already said her chakra went to Hagoromo and Hamura when they was born and later on she tried to get it back. It's a known fact Hagoromo said Indra inherited his strong chakra genes.
Zetsu said for generations he tried to have Ashura's and Indra's reincarnation/descendents awaken Rinnegan but none of them could only Madara did/could. How is Hagoromo's Rinnegan a RinneSharingan in it's purest form and Indra having a sharingan despite his dad having Rinnegan? Indra simply got a devolved Rinnegan. Izanagi is a form of COAT a Rinnegan/RSM technique yet a sharingan can use it. That there is already implied that they're related doujutsu's.

 

[NarutoX28]

Madara awakened the Rinnegan through both eyes despite being blind in one of them. That debunks the idea that the Rinnegan is an evolved form of the Sharingan. It's literally referred to as an entirely different Dojutsu.

Samsara* Eye (輪廻眼, Rinnegan)
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Supplementary
User: Nagato

The supreme eyes that appear during troubled times
Will they bring about creation or destruction~~

The doujutsu held by the founder of the shinobi, the "Sage of the Six Realms"** It's most distinctive feature being the ripple pattern spreading out over the eyeballs, the "Rinnegan" are called the "most exalted eyes" among the "Three Great Doujutsu," the other two being the "Sharingan" and "Byakugan". Admired as being able to bring forth all ninjutsu, the holder of these eyes can completely master the five elemental nature transformations that form the basis of ninjutsu. It is said that in times when the world is in disorder, this person is sent down from the heavens to become either a "God of Creation" who will calm the world, or a "Destroyer" who reduce everything to nothing.

 

[SenseiSama]

Yes, there's manga proof

1. Rikudou chakra restores eyesight, therefore prevents blindness which is why he never required an eye transplant

2. With Rikudou chakra you unlock Perfect Susano'o which was originally his ability

3. Without Rikudou chakra you can't defend against TSB or Six Path Senjutsu, which is what Ashura possessed.

4. Indra had markings around his eyes like Sage Mode users because of the chakra he inherited from his father is a variant of Senjutsu

5. Hagoromo states Indra was born with his chakra genes, and Obito says Indra was born with the Sage's chakra

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[SenseiSama]

Hagoromo outright stated that Ashura's Chakra bloomed and reached a potency equal to Indra's. It makes more sense that this was because Indra had Rikudou's potential and Ashura didn't. At least read my last scan please.

They both inherited Rikudou chakra, but one had the genes to unlock powerful eyes while the other had the genes to use NE and produce Six Path Senjutsu. Without Rikudou chakra, Indra would not have been equal to his brother.

 

[Holy God]

Hagoromo or Kaguya already said her chakra went to Hagoromo and Hamura when they was born and later on she tried to get it back. It's a known fact Hagoromo said Indra inherited his strong chakra genes.
Zetsu said for generations he tried to have Ashura's and Indra's reincarnation/descendents awaken Rinnegan but none of them could only Madara did/could. How is Hagoromo's Rinnegan a RinneSharingan in it's purest form and Indra having a sharingan despite his dad having Rinnegan? Indra simply got a devolved Rinnegan. Izanagi is a form of COAT a Rinnegan/RSM technique yet a sharingan can use it. That there is already implied that they're related doujutsu's.

When someone with chakra bears a child then it will also have chakra. Genetics dictates that mutation occurs and chakra signatures change, which is why Kaguya could tell Hagoromo's and Indra's chakra apart, though you say they are exactly the same. Just because Indra inherited chakra genes, which every child of a chakra-based parent does, doesn't mean he inherited his exact chakra.

This is what Hagoromo says: Hagoromo = Indra + Ashura
This is what you say: Hagoromo = Indra

As for the Rinnegan, as posted above, the Databook specifies it as a completely different eye. Their only relation is deriving from the RinneSharingan, not each other. They're not related like the Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

[NarutoX28]

They both inherited Rikudou chakra, but one had the genes to unlock powerful eyes while the other had the genes to use NE and produce Six Path Senjutsu. Without Rikudou chakra, Indra would not have been equal to his brother.

Indra could not awaken the Rinnegan with his Chakra, so Ashura cannot produce Rikudou Senjutsu with his own chakra. Their chakras are equivalent, so claiming this is choosing to purposely ignore the manga.

 

[Styles]

When someone with chakra bears a child then it will also have chakra. Genetics dictates that mutation occurs and chakra signatures change, which is why Kaguya could tell Hagoromo's and Indra's chakra apart, though you say they are exactly the same. Just because Indra inherited chakra genes, which every child of a chakra-based parent does, doesn't mean he inherited his exact chakra.

This is what Hagoromo says: Hagoromo = Indra + Ashura
This is what you say: Hagoromo = Indra

As for the Rinnegan, as posted above, the Databook specifies it as a completely different eye. Their only relation is deriving from the RinneSharingan, not each other. They're not related like the Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan.

Well yea they'll have different chakra signatures but that doesn't mean that what Hagoromo said was wrong about Indra inheriting his strong chakra. It's the same as Hagoromo and Hamura having Kaguya's chakra of course it'll be different chakra signatures because they was born with chakra inside of them already. Doesn't mean they took chakra from their mother during birth.
Hagoromo's chakra is Indra+Ashura yea and no I never said Indra=Hagoromo where are you getting that from? I'm simply saying Indra did in fact inherit his father's strong chakra genes.

 

[Holy God]

Well yea they'll have different chakra signatures but that doesn't mean that what Hagoromo said was wrong about Indra inheriting his strong chakra. It's the same as Hagoromo and Hamura having Kaguya's chakra of course it'll be different chakra signatures because they was born with chakra inside of them already. Doesn't mean they took chakra from their mother during birth.
Hagoromo's chakra is Indra+Ashura yea and no I never said Indra=Hagoromo where are you getting that from? I'm simply saying Indra did in fact inherit his father's strong chakra genes.

If you agree that Indra doesn't have Hagoromo's chakra and Hagoromo didn't have Kaguya's then I don't know why you argued with me in the first place. I never said Indra didn't have strong chakra.

 

[SenseiSama]

Indra could not awaken the Rinnegan with his Chakra, so Ashura cannot produce Rikudou Senjutsu with his own chakra. Their chakras are equivalent, so claiming this is choosing to purposely ignore the manga.

Because he lacked Ashura's genes, I said it in another thread, it's not the chakra he was missing but the genes that produce Ashura's chakra. They both inherited the same chakra but due to their different genes they unlocked different abilities.

Likewise Hagoromo and Hamura both inherited Kaguya's chakra but due to their different genes neither of them inherited RinneSharingan and both of them were born with different dojutsu.

Think of it this way, Indra's genes gave him enough Yin energy but not enough Yang energy, in contrast Ashura's genes have him enough Yang energy but not enough Yin energy.

They both inherited Yin and Yang from Hagoromo because chakra consists of spiritual energy mixed with physical energy, but due to his genes being divided between them, they inherited opposing Yin/Yang ratios. One has the stronger spiritual energy and the other has the stronger physical energy.

Furthermore, Indra inherited a Sharingan instead of a Rinnegan due to gene dilation. The Sage's eyes devolved like Kaguya's eye devolving into his own

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Yes, there's manga proof

1. Rikudou chakra restores eyesight, therefore prevents blindness which is why he never required an eye transplant

2. With Rikudou chakra you unlock Perfect Susano'o which was originally his ability

3. Without Rikudou chakra you can't defend against TSB or Six Path Senjutsu, which is what Ashura possessed.

4. Indra had markings around his eyes like Sage Mode users because of the chakra he inherited from his father is a variant of Senjutsu

5. Hagoromo states Indra was born with his chakra genes, and Obito says Indra was born with the Sage's chakra

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pure fanfiction speculation made up bullshit