There is no plot hole with the Kaguya not having a moon thing

[Deadmed]

"Performing the Infinite Tsukuyomi requires the Rinne Sharingan and the chakra of the Ten-Tails. Beyond that, how it is performed varies from user to user: Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, as the origin of the Ten-Tails, was able to perform it at will by combining her Rinne Sharingan with her Byakugan; Obito Uchiha, because he lacks the Rinne Sharingan, instead creates a reproduction of the God Tree, the blooming flower of which could act as a stand-in Rinne Sharingan; Madara Uchiha, per his Eye of the Moon Plan, reflects his own Rinne Sharingan off the Moon."

By the way this is from the fourth databook page 295.

 

[shelke]

^ This is some retconning.

:Sparks:

 

[Gerkak]

Didn't the toneri movie show two moons? That explains how she could have used it before

 

[Deadmed]

^ This is some retconning.

:Sparks:

How? The whole idea of the moon being needed was written by Black Zetsu who only wrote what he wrote to manipulate the Uchiha into carrying out his plans. The Uchiha don't have Byakugan so the Moon was used to compensate for that.

 

[Deadmed]

Didn't the toneri movie show two moons? That explains how she could have used it before

It didn't it was already stated in official sources that Kaguya used her Byakugan to distribute the light of the infinite tsukyomi, it was Black Zetsu's idea to have the Uchiha reflect the Rinne sharingan off the moon. The reason the eye opens is because Kaguya opens the eye as it is her eye.

 

[shelke]

How? The whole idea of the moon being needed was written by Black Zetsu who only wrote what he wrote to manipulate the Uchiha into carrying out his plans. The Uchiha don't have Byakugan so the Moon was used to compensate for that.

It is. Because Byakugan somehow aiding her in shining light through the shadows is ****ing stupid and makes no sense. The only reason the author went for this is because, "oh hey, guys, I kinda didn't think fo the whole IT thing for that chakra hoarding wackjob. What do you?" Editors, "she had the Byakugan, right? Just combine the two. No need for logic."

 

[Deadmed]

It is. Because Byakugan somehow aiding her in shining light through the shadows is ****ing stupid and makes no sense. The only reason the author went for this is because, "oh hey, guys, I kinda didn't think fo the whole IT thing for that chakra hoarding wackjob. What do you?" Editors, "she had the Byakugan, right? Just combine the two. No need for logic."

Byakugan' vision can penetrate through everything she just shined the light of the infinite tsukyomi through her Byakugan which acted as a 360 degree projector that shines through walls. How is that any weirder than the moon accomplishing a similar task? Or sharingans summoning giant armored Tengu?

 

[shelke]

Byakugan' vision can penetrate through everything she just shined the light of the infinite tsukyomi through her Byakugan which acted as a 360 degree projector that shines through walls. How is that any weirder than the moon accomplishing a similar task? Or sharingans summoning giant armored Tengu?

Byakugan's vision showing x-ray images doesn't even remotely mean that it can cast light through the shadows. Your argument on BZ is also incorrect as the only thing he altered was that IT was not to be avoided, but embraced.

It isn't about logic, pal. But the logic established by the manga itself. The Byakugan has no such ability. It magically developing one for the purpose of IT just because Kishimoto and co slipped over a banana peel is poor logic.

 

[Deadmed]

Byakugan's vision showing x-ray images doesn't even remotely mean that it can cast light through the shadows. Your argument on BZ is also incorrect as the only thing he altered was that IT was not to be avoided, but embraced.

It isn't about logic, pal. But the logic established by the manga itself. The Byakugan has no such ability. It magically developing one for the purpose of IT just because Kishimoto and co slipped over a banana peel is poor logic.

Well I think it's an interesting way of explaining it Kaguya just has powerful abilities that let her use Byakugan in such a way. Still makes more sense than 99% of One Piece. And Byakugan does more than X-ray images it can see things far away and in all directions probably those abilities grow he more chakra you have.

 

[shelke]

Well I think it's an interesting way of explaining it Kaguya just has powerful abilities that let her use Byakugan in such a way. Still makes more sense than 99% of One Piece. And Byakugan does more than X-ray images it can see things far away and in all directions probably those abilities grow he more chakra you have.

Seeing things and casting light out of the them is not the same thing. Yes, he gave an explanation. But it was never covered in the manga. BZ never explained it. Hogoromo never stated anything along those lines either. He simply didn't know what he and his editors were writing. They wanted the manga to end and this was their escape plan: a giant loopy woman drunk on chakra.

 

[Gerkak]

It didn't it was already stated in official sources that Kaguya used her Byakugan to distribute the light of the infinite tsukyomi, it was Black Zetsu's idea to have the Uchiha reflect the Rinne sharingan off the moon. The reason the eye opens is because Kaguya opens the eye as it is her eye.

Do you have copies of these sources

 

[Deadmed]

Seeing things and casting light out of the them is not the same thing. Yes, he gave an explanation. But it was never covered in the manga. BZ never explained it. Hogoromo never stated anything along those lines either. He simply didn't know what he and his ediotrs were writing. They wanted the manga to end and this was their escape plan: a giant woman drunk on chakra.

Kaguya was foreshadowed ever since the moon become important to the plot everything in Naruto is based on religions or Japanese folk tales Kaguya is a famous folk tale about a princess who comes from the moon

 

[shelke]

Kaguya was foreshadowed ever since the moon become important to the plot everything in Naruto is based on religions or Japanese folk tales Kaguya is a famous folk tale about a princess who comes from the moon

Kaguya wasn't even remotely foreshadowed until the Tablet.

 

[Alastor]

The moon was never stated to be a requirement for Mugen Tsukuyomi, Madara only wanted to use it to expand the range of his jutsu and cast it on everyone on Earth. Other than that the only know requirement is to be linked with the Gedo Mazu (weakened Juubi = Kaguya).

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By the way, where did you get the translation, OP ?

 

[~Ethereal~]

Lol .

 

[Styles]

Only thing I don't get with Kaguya much is her being the Juubi but when she was sealed aka Hagoromo and Hamura. She was sealed in CT with the Juubi/Mazo. So how did Hagoromo become Juubi Jin?

 

[BLAZE]

Only thing I don't get with Kaguya much is her being the Juubi but when she was sealed aka Hagoromo and Hamura. She was sealed in CT with the Juubi/Mazo. So how did Hagoromo become Juubi Jin?

add the fact Kurama and Bijuus confirmed hagoromo created them by splitting Juubi

All facts points that Kaguya and Hamura were epitome of retcon in the sttory

 

[Ansatsuken]

Naruto in nutshell.

 

[shelke]

Only thing I don't get with Kaguya much is her being the Juubi but when she was sealed aka Hagoromo and Hamura. She was sealed in CT with the Juubi/Mazo. So how did Hagoromo become Juubi Jin?

If she merged with the Shinju, then how does the Mazo sprout out the Tree? If the Sage was the Jubi's Jin, then Shinju was inside the Mazo? How was there still a Jubi then?

This manga arc makes no ****ing sense.

 

[SenseiSama]

Byakugan symbolizes the full moon so it makes sense. It grants telescopic vision which is what she would have used to cast genjutsu on a massive scale.

I think because she didn't use a moon not everyone was caught in the genjutsu, it would explain why there's a limited amount of White Zetsus. And why humanity didn't go extinct.