Debunking with fax and plausable logic

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OK.. I dunno why a lot of people are having troubles just getting any grasp on the concept of Naruto (the story not the character)

So lets start it off with an easy one.

Sasuke.

A lot of people are going on and on about the series failing without sasuke and thats right. It will completely be bland and eventually fail without Sasuke. Sasuke couldve been a better character but Kishi ****ed that one up, like all his characters.

Why? Because Naruto NEEDS to stay a nitwit dumbass that he is (tad bit redundant but its needed)

Reason being is that that's his whole point as a character. He's stubborn beyond belief and he needs to be to show perseverance and hard work.

Also through Sasuke, Kishi is free to showcase plenty of techs and combos and badassery that he is prohibited from doing to Naruto (as it breaks his character)


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Kurama ~ OK a lot of you (mostly illogical Sasuke fappers) would say that without Kurama Naruto is useless and he'd be nothing without him.

Sorry buds but that's false. Kurama has been the biggest antagonist in the series let alone long running one since the conception of Naruto. You remove Kurama out of the equation and Naruto will become more talented than anyone in the village has ever been. Maybe even Itachi level. Dont mention at that point.

Naruto is through and through a prodigy whether he has Kurama or not. He'd actually be better off without Kurama.

Minato and Kushina are his parents, you really think that Kurama would last once Naruto learned fuinjutsu from his mom and other techs from Minato.

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On to the whole Uchiha cant be jins. WRONG!

IDK what y'all smoking but just because the 9tails had always been an Uzumaki jin, doesnt mean only the Uzumaki (or body of christ chakra wielders) can be jins.

You realize that there are other jins right?

there are 9 of them at the same time and none those other 8 are Uzumaki or Senju (presummably)
Pretty damn sure that Rin isnt from one of those clan as well.

Its just better survivability.

In any case, It's disadvantageous for the Uchihas to become a jin because they have better control with them if they just control them with their sharingan by the use of genjutsu. Also the major problem with the beast disrupting their chakra control, meaning their sharingan would always be off/on. depleting them with chakra at one point and itd make their escape much easier.

Kurama is a wuss when going up against sharingans and chakra chains. Everyone knows this.

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Rinnegan.

PLEASE reread the whole chapters where they explain Hagoromo. Jeesus.. IDK why people are so stupid.

The Last spoilers:
If that isnt enough, just watch the The Last. Toneri (branch family of Hamura ~ body chakra) just snatches Hanabi's byakugan and he awakened the Tenseigan.


He even destroyed the portal to the moon to prevent that from ever happening again. Meaning that it isnt just strictly Hyuga clan and branch family who can obtain tenseigan.


So with that background info, we can safe to assume that any mixture of the main (doujutsu) and branch (reserves) chakras will awaken the twin's eyes (whichever side they chose to obtain)

The main thing is the time it takes. For Madara, it probably took him a long time since the chakra potency is low (just a chuck of meat that he recieved from Hashirama and not the entire portion of his chakra)

So those stating the ONLY the Uchihas can obtain the Rinnegan is clearly a dumbass.

Ao and Kakashi both have stolen doujutsu. branch Hyuga family have a curse seal just to prevent any byakugans from being stolen (probably started from the whole moon war thing)

If Ao or Kakashi were to gain more doujutsu chakra along with the body chakra, theyd awaken tenseigan/rinnegan.

Kakashi was already a prime example of this since his NORMAL eyes turned into EMS when Obito gave him his chakra.

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No Sakura isnt Senju/Uzumaki.. please let that fandom die. It's neither logical nor even funny.

That's more hype than the Hypeman himself. pressumably coming from sasuke fappers.

seriously you guys are making me disgusted for liking sasuke.

Byakugou is a tech that Tsunade made because she was a failure as a Senju and tried compensating for that.
That tech is at best Hokage level. Dont compare Sakura as to being in league with God-tiers.

SOURCE: sasuke's own words... I'm fairly sure you can find more situations where he said the same thing in different times as well

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Only Uzumaki can be Kurama's Jin because his chakra is too powerful for the average body of hosts. They possess the genes to host a bijuu's power unlike the other jinchuuriki who were chosen through trial and error method. Kurama already stated it's because of Kushina's blood that Naruto could control bijuu chakra so well.

No one said Ashura can't awaken the Rinnegan, he just can't awaken the dojutsu without Indra's eyes. They naturally progress into Hago's dojutsu just as Ashura's body naturally awakens Six Path Senjutsu. There's two separate halves to Hagoromo's power, if the eyes of Indra's transmigrant weren't needed then Naruto would have unlocked the Rinnegan.

Senju clan were never said to be extinct but because Hashi and Tobirama founded Konoha and live there it's only logical to assume so did the rest of the clan. That would mean any of the leaf shinobi could be distantly related to the Senju.

Sakura could be one of those distant relatives because healing is her talent, she unlocked the Byakogou which only Uzumaki were capable of before her and she has the chakra reserves comparable to Ashura's descendants (she gave Obito the chakra to use S/t on Kaguya's scale), oh and pink is a lighter shade of red.
 

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You remove Kurama out of the equation and Naruto will become more talented than anyone in the village has ever been. Maybe even Itachi level. Dont mention at that point.
XD

Naruto is through and through a prodigy whether he has Kurama or not. He'd actually be better off without Kurama.
This is a suspect claim when his prodigious feats (Sage Mode & Rasengan) came with a lot of special training (Kage Bunshin + A ****ing Sannin. Plus the special oils and all that crap in the Frog Sage mountain place.

Minato and Kushina are his parents, you really think that Kurama would last once Naruto learned fuinjutsu from his mom and other techs from Minato.
That's learning, not being a prodigy.


You realize that there are other jins right?

there are 9 of them at the same time and none those other 8 are Uzumaki or Senju (presummably)
Pretty damn sure that Rin isnt from one of those clan as well.

Its just better survivability.
Well yeah but there are a couple of instances in the manga where it's emphasized that not everyone can be a jin. The Uzumakis have a higher tendency for producing people who are compatible with the Bijuu. Kumogakure went through a bunch of people before landing on Bee.


The Last spoilers:
If that isnt enough, just watch the The Last. Toneri (branch family of Hamura ~ body chakra) just snatches Hanabi's byakugan and he awakened the Tenseigan.


He even destroyed the portal to the moon to prevent that from ever happening again. Meaning that it isnt just strictly Hyuga clan and branch family who can obtain tenseigan.
Yeah, because Toneri is in the Otutsuki clan, and is very close genetically to Hamura and Hagoromo.

So those stating the ONLY the Uchihas can obtain the Rinnegan is clearly a dumbass.
People are saying only the Uchihas can "naturally" develop a Rinnegan.

No Sakura isnt Senju/Uzumaki.. please let that fandom die. It's neither logical nor even funny.
Truth.

Byakugou is a tech that Tsunade made because she was a failure as a Senju and tried compensating for that.
That tech is at best Hokage level. Dont compare Sakura as to being in league with God-tiers.
Tsunade was able to recover from being bisected; Sasuke would have been killed from a stab. It's a damn good tech. XD
 

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I'm interested only at Rinnegan part:-


The case for Rinnegan is different to Byakugan case.

Byakugan is just an eyes of two clans Otsutsuki and Hyuuga. There is no differences in nature/trait of this eyes, it was a same eyes whether inside Otsustuki's head or Hyuuga.

Byakugan is not Yin-Yang eyes.

To awaken Tenseigan, one must possessed Otsutsuki's charka, the main elements.

But Rinngen is a rare eyes and only one person ever to awaken that eyes, it was Hagoromo. I think he born with that eyes

Eyes power of Hagoromo was inherited by Indra but in different type of eyes(Sharingan). To obtained Rinnegan(Yin-Yang) eyes, one with Sharingan(Yin) need to find Ashura's chakra(Yang).

The combination of the Byakugan and the chakra of an Ōtsutsuki clan member descended from Hamura can evolve the Byakugan into the Tenseigan.
When one need Otsutsuki chakra for Tenseigan, the other need Sharingan for Rinnegan.

Look OP.
 
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I'm interested only at Rinnegan part:-


The case for Rinnegan is different to Byakugan case.

Byakugan is just an eyes of two clans Otsutsuki and Hyuuga. There is no differences in nature/trait of this eyes, it was a same eyes whether inside Otsustuki's head or Hyuuga.

Byakugan is not Yin-Yang eyes.

To awaken Tenseigan, one must possessed Otsutsuki's charka, the main elements.

But Rinngen is a rare eyes and only one person ever to awaken that eyes, it was Hagoromo. I think he born with that eyes

Eyes power of Hagoromo was inherited by Indra but in different type of eyes(Sharingan). To obtained Rinnegan(Yin-Yang) eyes, one with Sharingan(Yin) need to find Ashura's chakra(Yang).



When one need Otsutsuki chakra for Tenseigan, the other need Sharingan for Rinnegan.

Look OP.
Tenseigan is awakened when an Oktsutsuki transpants a hyugas eyes.

That is so far the only confirmed way to get it. Hinata recieved chakra straighg from Hamura but no Tenseigan. You need the original clans body.
 

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You remove Kurama out of the equation and Naruto will become more talented than anyone in the village has ever been. Maybe even Itachi level.
Real plausible logic my friend. :Sparks:

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Naruto and Sasuke are strong because of what life hit them with.

I dont believe they will be stronger without kyuubi or itachi murdering the clan. Thats what set their paths in motion to becoming strong.


To put it simply, no Bijuh Mode Naruto, Mangekyou Sasuke, or Hago power up
 

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Trying to claim facts when you just made this stupid claim. When was Naruto ever considered a prodigy and do you even know what a prodigy is?
A prodigy is someone who can learn a forbidden technique within couple of ours into training, despite never receiving any formal ninja training, unlike the other prodigy of his generation. :]
 

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Tenseigan is awakened when an Oktsutsuki transpants a hyugas eyes.

That is so far the only confirmed way to get it. Hinata recieved chakra straighg from Hamura but no Tenseigan. You need the original clans body.
Toneri had a body closely related to Hamura like Ashura being closely related to Hagoromo, so it's no surprise he managed to unlock Hamura's dojutsu. In addition, the blood of a main branch member are also closely related to Hamura, that would be another reason Hanabi's Byakugan was able to evolve.
 

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Trying to claim facts when you just made this stupid claim. When was Naruto ever considered a prodigy and do you even know what a prodigy is?
Pretty sure that J-man wrote a book about that. IDK about you but you really are biased. "Learning" psssh.... sure yeah but isnt that what Sasuke did?

Im ok if you said he borrowed powers. because thats plausable.

Seriously, just take Kurama out of the equation. Just give me something... Anything.

Naruto wouldve grown up having parents (hokage and jin) then learning more about fuinjustu directly from his mother and other tech from his father. Jman would arguably still teach him the ways of the Sage...

Please, you can try to undermine me but at least I value logic and I go with the most plausable route aside of your empty argument.

you didnt even try to prove me wrong. Just asked whether I know what prodigy means.

Tenseigan is awakened when an Oktsutsuki transpants a hyugas eyes.

That is so far the only confirmed way to get it. Hinata recieved chakra straighg from Hamura but no Tenseigan. You need the original clans body.
Kishi likes parallel. If you say that by having Hamura chakra that shed be able to awaken the tenseigan, then the same can be said when it comes to Sasuke. (his eye isnt your regular Hagoromo rinnegan but a rinnesharingan, which is probably due to the 10tails)

Real plausible logic my friend. :Sparks:

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I did say maybe... followed by dont mention that.
 

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I'm interested only at Rinnegan part:-


The case for Rinnegan is different to Byakugan case.

Byakugan is just an eyes of two clans Otsutsuki and Hyuuga. There is no differences in nature/trait of this eyes, it was a same eyes whether inside Otsustuki's head or Hyuuga.

Byakugan is not Yin-Yang eyes.

To awaken Tenseigan, one must possessed Otsutsuki's charka, the main elements.

But Rinngen is a rare eyes and only one person ever to awaken that eyes, it was Hagoromo. I think he born with that eyes

Eyes power of Hagoromo was inherited by Indra but in different type of eyes(Sharingan). To obtained Rinnegan(Yin-Yang) eyes, one with Sharingan(Yin) need to find Ashura's chakra(Yang).



When one need Otsutsuki chakra for Tenseigan, the other need Sharingan for Rinnegan.

Look OP.
Yeah thats basically what I just said.. Maybe I wasnt clear?

Im saying you just need 2 pieces and boom. Its all about making the chakra whole again.

I mean practically anyone can do it. I mean we know that stealing the eyes and awakening a greater doujutsu works (through Toneri) and stealing the body also works (through Madara) then basically we can ASSUME that one truly needs to do is just have a doujutsu chakra and body chakra in a host.

But it'll be the same thing with becoming a jin host, can your body handle it - probably why they need the body part of the chakra ~ EX: Madara choosing to implant his rinnegan eyes to Nagato.
 

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Only Uzumaki can be Kurama's Jin because his chakra is too powerful for the average body of hosts. They possess the genes to host a bijuu's power unlike the other jinchuuriki who were chosen through trial and error method. Kurama already stated it's because of Kushina's blood that Naruto could control bijuu chakra so well.

No one said Ashura can't awaken the Rinnegan, he just can't awaken the dojutsu without Indra's eyes. They naturally progress into Hago's dojutsu just as Ashura's body naturally awakens Six Path Senjutsu. There's two separate halves to Hagoromo's power, if the eyes of Indra's transmigrant weren't needed then Naruto would have unlocked the Rinnegan.

Senju clan were never said to be extinct but because Hashi and Tobirama founded Konoha and live there it's only logical to assume so did the rest of the clan. That would mean any of the leaf shinobi could be distantly related to the Senju.

Sakura could be one of those distant relatives because healing is her talent, she unlocked the Byakogou which only Uzumaki were capable of before her and she has the chakra reserves comparable to Ashura's descendants (she gave Obito the chakra to use S/t on Kaguya's scale), oh and pink is a lighter shade of red.

I agree with the rest of what you said except Sakura part. I get why you would think that and its also plausable but I did you mean only the Senjus are capable of Byakugou or Uzumaki?

Cuz last time I checked Tsunade came up with that forbidden tech.. (i might be wrong)
 
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