[Discussion] Star Wars Episode 7-9 Theory

[Guy Fawkes]

Hi, Its been awhile, some of you may remember me as Guy Fawkes, Others as: FODDER #6. Which is, believe it or not, very much OK with me (Badge of merit really). After a evening of trolling NB myself and 6 others where banned temporarily, except when we returned to NB our Names were in fact changed and our profiles were running extremely slow. In some cases it still does (just my case *deep sigh* ). Anyways the Itachi Arc has brought me away from my Dragon Ball Super stupor (see what I did there lol), Not to mention, although its a bit belated, I was curious immediately after viewing Star Wars The Force Awakens on your thoughts ( NB community) regarding a few things pertaining to the film.

First lets began with the title: The Force Awakens. What does it mean? What is it Regarding? Who is it regarding? Most would state the obvious. Rey. She is extremely powerful, exceptional, clever, brave, resourceful and the films main protagonist. When Maz escorts Rey beneath her base, The light saber calls to her and she has vision like Anakin and Yoda, Both very adept in the arts of the force, and both among the most powerful.

But I personally am not so sure, in fact I am fairly certain the awaking in the force is in regards to Finn. Here is why.

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1. When the film first starts we see Po on a dessert like planet in a village which is soon invaded by Kylo Ren and a squad of storm troopers. One of these Storm Troopers we know to be Finn. Soon after witnessing the massacre and friend/associates death, he begins to panic. Right before Kylo Ren boards his ship he stops and glares at Finn. This is because Finns conscious(The force, the will to choose to embrace right or wrong) has literally awoken. He made his decision at the very beginning of the film. He chose the light. In spite of his conditioning. Think if he was able to overcome brainwashing through sheer will, then one could argue that any storm trooper could do the same. This would leave a big plot whole in the film. If Storm Troopers could be exposed to be prone to moral instability than anyone of them at any given time could simply decide to do the right thing. No, I believe that Finn is in tune with the force

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2. When it is revealed that someone escaped in a spacecraft Kylo Ren immediately Knew it was FN-2187 Or whatever. There must have been hundreds of storm troopers on base. Why Finn? Even if it was because he stopped and stared at him when Finn choose not to act in the village. Why is it he was able to recall Finns name/number so easily without anyone telling him or anyone knowing which one(storm trooper) it was specifically? He then asked about Finns history and status. Finn made a serious impression. We see a picture of a small boy (Finn) from a holographic projectile, which insinuates that Finn has been apart of the First Order since a child. Further proof that he experienced serious conditioning over the course of years and yet just like that, one instance, and he breaks free?

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3. Not only did Finn awaken his conscious. Finn was the one to find Rey!!! Because the force lead him to her. Not to mention it was he who suggested they take the Millennium Falcon, when she just thought it was a piece of junk, not knowing he was pointing her in the direction of her destiny. This is further symbolized when he keeps grabbing her hand, offering direction when there wasn't any.

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4. Finn can feel impending doom through the force, but everyone just assumes he is a coward. But his fears are confirmed when he is about to part ways with Han, Rey, Maz. Right before there deaths Finn hears people millions of miles away on a distant planet/planets cry out in horror or terror. then we see planets attacked and exploding. soon after, just like Finn prophesied they were all attacked by the First Order.

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5. Since Rey rejected the Light Saber, Maz gives it to Finn, not Han who has some experience with the thing (the scene on Hoth when he uses Luke lightsaber to cut open that monster thingy), but Finn. She even insisted that he take it when he exclaimed he needed a blaster. Why? wouldn't it be more prudent to give him a blaster? He is a storm trooper after all.

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6. in the promo for the film the guy was inseparable from a lightsaber, suggesting he was jedi in training. This was obviously a bait and switch. but what if its a double bait and switch. either way brilliant and devious marketing.

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7. When Han and Finn are attempting to rescue Rey, Han ask Finn for some direction, and he has none. Han ask him what did he expect them to do now. Finn said something like "use the force". and what do you know he runs into Rey willy nilly. Sure she escaped on her own , but i doubt she would have gotten far fighting a healthy Kylo Ren. No if it was not for Finn's plan, she would have no Falcon to escape on, Han would not have died to save them (and attempt to save Ben/kylo) and chewie would not have shot Kylo Ren(injuring him, so that she could win)

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8. Finns name FN-2187 has deep meaning rooted in star wars lore. google it. its to arbitrary to mention here IMO

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9. in the comic Maz retracts her former statement and says "she sees the eyes of a warrior" in Finn, where as she previously stated "she was looking in the eyes of someone who wanted to run". He just needed something to fight for Maz. Rey.

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10 Besides you really expect two Jedi to take on an entire Order of Ren and Snoke? I suppose Leaia, Po and the resistance can handle the rest (Storm troopers and Gen. Hux)

PS. why oh why did Po give Finn his name? He already came of as a runaway slave, then a Caucasian guy gives him his name? Idk I just really disliked that scene allot.​

 

[Jack Spicer]

PS. why oh why did Po give Finn his name? He already came of as a runaway slave, then a Caucasian guy gives him his name? Idk I just really disliked that scene allot.​

You suck.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Finn was a bait and switch. All the promotional materials show him with the lights aver. You're meant to think he's going to be a badass, when it's actually Rey.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Finn was a bait and switch. All the promotional materials show him with the lights aver. You're meant to think he's going to be a badass, when it's actually Rey.

Yea. There is still two films left. Still allot of marketing, unless they planned one big marketing strategy for the entire series itself(which makes the most sense). Anyway him being the bait and switch does not explain away the fact he did hear those voices from those distant planets right before they were destroyed via Starkiller base. This is what stopped him from leaving Mazs Base and start to run after Rey. This is fact.

The only other person to have experienced something similar is Obi wan. A Jedi.

 

[Adam Driver]

Finn isn't going to be a Jedi. He's going to be a rebel. Doesn't make his character bad or anything, his character was amazing in the force awakens. Marketing just used him as bait to keep Rey's story a secret. He's going to be the same way he was in the force awakens throughout the sequels. That lovable and goofy guy that's a hero at the same time, kind of like Chewwy with Poe being more like Han.

You get that sense of bromance between Poe and Finn like Chewwy and Han had

 

[Adam Driver]

JJ Abrams also stated "the force awakens" is in regards to Rey discovering her destiny and the light of the force, while Kylo discovers a new profound darkness after killing Han.

So it's about the force "awakening" in both of them, in different manner.


This was on the Blu Ray on that 1 hour30min long featurette making of the film documentary.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Finn isn't going to be a Jedi. He's going to be a rebel. Doesn't make his character bad or anything, his character was amazing in the force awakens. Marketing just used him as bait to keep Rey's story a secret. He's going to be the same way he was in the force awakens throughout the sequels. That lovable and goofy guy that's a hero at the same time, kind of like Chewwy with Poe being more like Han.

You get that sense of bromance between Poe and Finn like Chewwy and Han had

Reys char. is the product of a EU So Is Kylo and Finn. Everyone of these characters mentioned are Jedi.

The characters in detail are:

1. FINN: Kyle Kataran. was storm trooper, joined the rebels and LATER became a Jedi (sound familiar?)
: Finn Galfridian. Was of royalty, Luke found him, seen he was force sensitive and trained him in THE NEW JEDI ORDER.

2. Rey: jaiana: was Leia and Hans daughter, fought her brother who turned to the dark side, Darthe cedius/ Jacen. when he was a Jedi, his apprentice was Ben Skywalker.
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[FoxesInWonderland]

Rey was the one who awakened the force though.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Finn isn't going to be a Jedi. He's going to be a rebel. Doesn't make his character bad or anything, his character was amazing in the force awakens. Marketing just used him as bait to keep Rey's story a secret. He's going to be the same way he was in the force awakens throughout the sequels. That lovable and goofy guy that's a hero at the same time, kind of like Chewwy with Poe being more like Han.

You get that sense of bromance between Poe and Finn like Chewwy and Han had

Reys char. is the product of a EU So Is Kylo and Finn. Everyone of these characters mentioned are Jedi.

The characters in detail are:

1. FINN: Kyle Kataran. was storm trooper, joined the rebels and LATER became a Jedi (sound familiar?)
: Finn Galfridian. Was of royalty, Luke found him, seen he was force sensitive and trained him in THE NEW JEDI ORDER.

2. Rey: jaina: was Leia and Hans daughter, fought her brother who turned to the dark side, Darthe cedius/ Jacen. when he was a Jedi, his apprentice was Ben Skywalker.
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[FoxesInWonderland]

Finn isn't going to be a Jedi. He's going to be a rebel. Doesn't make his character bad or anything, his character was amazing in the force awakens. Marketing just used him as bait to keep Rey's story a secret. He's going to be the same way he was in the force awakens throughout the sequels. That lovable and goofy guy that's a hero at the same time, kind of like Chewwy with Poe being more like Han.

You get that sense of bromance between Poe and Finn like Chewwy and Han had

I think he could be a Jedi though. He didn't do too bad against Kyle ren with the light saber. He actually cut him. Not saying he will be a Jedi but I think it's a possibility.

 

[Adam Driver]

Reys char. is the product of a EU So Is Kylo and Finn. Everyone of these characters mentioned are Jedi.

The characters in detail are:

1. FINN: Kyle Kataran. was storm trooper, joined the rebels and LATER became a Jedi (sound familiar?)
: Finn Galfridian. Was of royalty, Luke found him, seen he was force sensitive and trained him in THE NEW JEDI ORDER.

2. Rey: jaiana: was Leia and Hans daughter, fought her brother who turned to the dark side, Darthe cedius/ Jacen. when he was a Jedi, his apprentice was Ben Skywalker.
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:| they are not going to parallel everything from past work to follow a previous plot especially with the extended universe. But go ahead and misguide yourself with this but don't blame the film if it doesn't meet your expectations.

 

[Adam Driver]

I think he could be a Jedi though. He didn't do too bad against Kyle ren with the light saber. He actually cut him. Not saying he will be a Jedi but I think it's a possibility.

He did manage to cut Kylo but you have to take into account that Kylo was shot by Chewwy's bow-caster. Kylo that whole scene was disturbed considering he could've just froze Finn in action with the force but he didn't, yet that small fight scene ended in less than a minute. Not saying I wouldn't like Finn as s Jedi that'd be awesome but it is highly unlikely for the purpose being he has no indication of being force sensitive

 

[Guy Fawkes]

:| they are not going to parallel everything from past work to follow a previous plot especially with the extended universe. But go ahead and misguide yourself with this but don't blame the film if it doesn't meet your expectations.

There is no proof he wont, but there is substantial proof that he will. Finn is the the product of two characters Kyle/ and Finn the mentioned EU characters from my earlier post. Its obvious, when you draw comparisons to the story, it contains aspects of both characters. As for Rey she is the product of one Character just her story is altered a bit as is Kylo Ren who is the product of Jacen solo/ Ben Skywalker. No they will not adapt everything from the EU timeline, that is obvious because they altered what little material they did decide to use.

 

[Adam Driver]

There is no proof he wont, but there is substantial proof that he will. Finn is the the product of two characters Kyle/ and Finn the mentioned EU characters from my earlier post. Its obvious, when you draw comparisons to the story, it contains aspects of both characters. As for Rey she is the product of one Character just her story is altered a bit as is Kylo Ren who is the product of Jacen solo/ Ben Skywalker. No they will not adapt everything from the EU timeline, that is obvious because they altered what little material they did decide to use.

This new generation aren't products of any of those characters obviously similarities stand out however these characters are their own. As JJ and Lawrence Kasdan said this is a new story being told with no correlation to the EU, but with there being a new generation of characters, people are going to look for something and compare to EU to get an idea or confirmation for the films plot. because there may seem like there's some similiarities doesn't mean to base any of the sequels off EU plot or characters considering it's all filler.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

This new generation aren't products of any of those characters obviously similarities stand out however these characters are their own. As JJ and Lawrence Kasdan said this is a new story being told with no correlation to the EU, but with there being a new generation of characters, people are going to look for something and compare to EU to get an idea or confirmation for the films plot. because there may seem like there's some similiarities doesn't mean to base any of the sequels off EU plot or characters considering it's all filler.

the scene where Finn is headed to the outer rim confirms his force sensitivity, if you disagree you obviously did not pay close enough attention. He literally hears the collective screams of everyone in the Hosnian system, this is before the planets are actually blown up. I said this before and i'll say it again, no one is capable of that type of sensitivity except a Jedi. Obi wan was the only one who displayed this sort of talent, in A NEW HOPE. He said it sounded like a thousand screaming voices were all silenced at once. This is when the death star blew up a planet.

Besides of course J.J Abrahms is going to try and throw of the audience. they are involving George Lucas in nothing pertaining to the script so of course the are going to base at least some of the material of the EU. They already have.​

 

[Adam Driver]

the scene where Finn is headed to the outer rim confirms his force sensitivity, if you disagree you obviously did not pay close enough attention. He literally hears the collective screams of everyone in the Hosnian system, this is before the planets are actually blown up. I said this before and i'll say it again, no one is capable of that type of sensitivity except a Jedi. Obi wan was the only one who displayed this sort of talent, in A NEW HOPE. He said it sounded like a thousand screaming voices were all silenced at once. This is when the death star blew up a planet.

Besides of course J.J Abrahms is going to try and throw of the audience. they are involving George Lucas in nothing pertaining to the script so of course the are going to base at least some of the material of the EU. They already have.​

What movie did you watch??
Here's verbatim of what Finn actually said when the Hosnian system was about to be destroyed.

It was the republic. The first order, they've done it

No where in this scene is he saying or is indicated he can hear the screams.
It's obviously the Hosnian system because like everyone else that was by Finn looking up into the sky can see the Starkiller base's cannons firing away at the system. And it's a clear indication that it was Starkiller base that shot at the Hosnian system like who else is trying to destroy the republic. Lol I don't know where you got that from Finn can hear the screams. Lol