He power gap between Naruto & Sasuke was embarrassing..

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Sasuke used genjutsu in Orochimaru Ritiual, Kabuto, Deidara and Itachi. Let not forget that Sasuke used genjutsu on Sai and used his sharingan to supress Kurama within Naruto.

Sasuke got plenty of genjutsu feats pre Mangekyou awakening, Sasuke Sharingan genjutsu is above Itachi finger genjutsu.
 

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Sasuke used genjutsu in Orochimaru Ritiual, Kabuto, Deidara and Itachi. Let not forget that Sasuke used genjutsu on Sai and used his sharingan to supress Kurama within Naruto.

Sasuke got plenty of genjutsu feats pre Mangekyou awakening, Sasuke Sharingan genjutsu is above Itachi finger genjutsu.
Sasuke's and Itachi's 3 Tomoe Genjutsu are at the EXACT same level. Both Orochimaru and Deidara confirm it.
 

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Are you reading? The only reason why I mentioned Orochimaru is becuase he solidified Sasukes superiority over Naruro even with the addition of kurama's chakra.
Everybody knows this tho. Sasuke was at the top of his game. Every other upgrade he recieved after this was pure doujutsu because he couldnt get any better, he even gave Itachi a run for his money.

His body had reached the perfect height and power for Orochimaru also.
 

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Pretty much. The guy was a dead last without Kurama helping with each and everything. It even cut down the SM training recovery period. But I am sure his annoying fans would deny it:

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Pathetic, really. He didn't learn a single thing on his own without falling on Kurama like a decrepit old man does on a wheelchair.

Sasuke was born into an elite clsn with natural battle prowess. Hardly anyone else is like that. He has Sharingan and genes to fall back on. And when the time came, a psuedo senjutsu power up, and his brothers eyes. Sasuje had it made from the start.

If Naruto could truly lean on Kyuubi since the beggining like you say he would have the best suitable master. But instead Kurama was his enemy and inner demon halting his success and training.(SM Ma&Pa)

Its not pathetic at all. By that logic Sakura is the least pathetic. She has no destiny or clan perks.
 
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Pein cant use genjutsu. How do you know what Itachi and Kisame did or didnt do? Obito controlled a jin for years lmao. Read the manga.
Lol this again. Kishi put a specialized defense against genjutsu just for Naruto and ppl still dont accept lol. And this was after Yagura. Retconned much?

Like I've been telling Shelke for a while. It's obviously a passive genjutsu most likely done from the Shadows going undetected. Influencing him until total control could be met. We already saw what happens when you try to outright trap a perfect jin (Killer Bee). It dont turn out well for you.

And Obito did everything from the shadows. Barely showing himself.
 
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Sasuke was born into an elite clsn with natural battle prowess. Hardly anyone else is like that. He has Sharingan and genes to fall back on. And when the time came, a psuedo senjutsu power up, and his brothers eyes. Sasuje had it made from the start.

If Naruto could truly lean on Kyuubi since the beggining like you say he would have the best suitable master.

Its not pathetic at all. By that logic Sakura is the least pathetic. She has no destiny or clan perks.
Uzumaki clan perks are their strong chakra and life, that what their body produce.

Uchiha clan perks are their strong chakra and special chakra in their brain to unlock the sharingan.

Uzumaki shouldn't have to rely on becoming Jinchuuriki, just like Uchiha shouldn't rely on someone else eye to gain EMS.

Becoming a Jinchuuriki = not using their own powers but someone else power

Born with chakra to unlock Dojutsu = Using their own powers and no one else

Transplanting Dojutsu = Using someone else power

Sorry if there mistake i rushed it a bit
 

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Uzumaki clan perks are their strong chakra and life, that what their body produce.

Uchiha clan perks are their strong chakra and special chakra in their brain to unlock the sharingan.

Uzumaki shouldn't have to rely on becoming Jinchuuriki, just like Uchiha shouldn't rely on someone else eye to gain EMS.

Becoming a Jinchuuriki = not using their own powers but someone else power

Born with chakra to unlock Dojutsu = Using their own powers and no one else

Transplanting Dojutsu = Using someone else power

Sorry if there mistake i rushed it a bit
I understand this but Uzumaki arent natural warriors and elite geniuses. And he is reffering to Sasuke before MS and how Naruto is pathetic because he "relies" on Naruto, which is just stupid considering Naruto could hardly relie on him and Kurama always hindered Narutos growth abd training.
 
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