Kosovo

[Deadlift]

You know that after the war in the late 90s, Kosovo is recognized as an independent nation by some states (NATO) and as an autonomous republic in Serbian territory by other nations (Russia, China, Serbia itself etc..).
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What are your thoughts about Kosovo status? Does your nation recognize its independence?

 

[Filosoofis]

Kosovo je srbija

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It's obvious that Kosovo is Serbian territory the Serbs even orginated from that place the thing is it's now 95% Albanese or kosova however you call that. I would say after all this time kosovo is not really Serbian anymore but I wouldn't recognize it as a nation too.


I think that it was a very nasty thing for NATO to take Serbian territory the west always writes the rules however it works the best for them because with Crimea which went peacefully without 1 bullet spent the west was crying etc.

It kinda depends on who you side with in the war do you side with Serbia or with Croatia, Albania, Bosnia and NATO etc and which side you chose that also probaly means that you made a clearmind about Kosovo.

Let's just say Kosovo isn't what it was before the war anymore most Serbs flew and there is a different ethnic and religious majority

 

[Marin]

Kosovo je srbija

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It's obvious that Kosovo is Serbian territory the Serbs even orginated from that place the thing is it's now 95% Albanese or kosova however you call that. I would say after all this time kosovo is not really Serbian anymore but I wouldn't recognize it as a nation too.


I think that it was a very nasty thing for NATO to take Serbian territory the west always writes the rules however it works the best for them because with Crimea which went peacefully without 1 bullet spent the west was crying etc.

It kinda depends on who you side with in the war do you side with Serbia or with Croatia, Albania, Bosnia and NATO etc and which side you chose that also probaly means that you made a clearmind about Kosovo.

Let's just say Kosovo isn't what it was before the war anymore most Serbs flew and there is a different ethnic and religious majority

Are u serbian?

OT: Balkan is beyond understanding man. :sdo:

 

[Filosoofis]

Are u serbian?

OT: Balkan is beyond understanding man. :sdo:

I'm Dutch.

Well tbh I find the Balkan interesting they had years of ottoman influence and still many countries didn't threw away their religion or tradition only bosnia-herzegovina did and Albania got filled by Turkish people the rest stayed how they were. It is a diverse part of europe that pretty much hates each other


You should ask Mad titan thanos and tenseiganftw about this btw they are Serbian and kosovar

 

[Deadlift]

Are u serbian?

OT: Balkan is beyond understanding man. :sdo:

Kosovar people complain that Serbians made genocides so they have every right they want. Lil detail is that after the war Kosovars forced lots of Serbians who lived in Kosovo to run away, and killed many others

 

[paratise]

My country recognizes Kosovo as a different state.

I know a girl who fled from Kosovo who studies in our school. Judging by what she says i would say there is not a possibility in where Serbians Kosovars can coexist w/o forcing a hegemony (mostly possible by Serbian side).

If you say "remove kebab" and "Kosovo is Serbian terriory" in the same breath unironically, you contradict yourself. If one wants a piece of landmass w/o any concern of the cultural, ethnic and religious integrity of existing population it is not a demand to be taken seriously.

 

[Marin]

Kosovar people complain that Serbians made genocides so they have every right they want. Lil detail is that after the war Kosovars forced lots of Serbians who lived in Kosovo to run away, and killed many others

Yes everyone commited genocides on everyone and everyone hates everyone and were all fcked up politically beacuse of that. Its easy to understand whats happening but getting the mentality... thats a dif story.

 

[Marin]

I'm Dutch.

Well tbh I find the Balkan interesting they had years of ottoman influence and still many countries didn't threw away their religion or tradition only bosnia-herzegovina did and Albania got filled by Turkish people the rest stayed how they were. It is a diverse part of europe that pretty much hates each other


You should ask Mad titan thanos and tenseiganftw about this btw they are Serbian and kosovar

Ik about them but theyre both idiots so communication can be hard to accomplish. Im Croatian tho, no need to explain anything to me.

 

[Deadlift]

My country recognizes Kosovo as a different state.

I know a girl who fled from Kosovo who studies in our school. Judging by what she says i would say there is not a possibility in where Serbians Kosovars can coexist w/o forcing a hegemony (mostly possible by Serbian side).

If you say "remove kebab" and "Kosovo is Serbian terriory" in the same breath unironically, you contradict yourself. If one wants a piece of landmass w/o any concern of the cultural, ethnic and religious integrity of existing population it is not a demand to be taken seriously.

So does mine. But it doesn't mean I agree. I never spoke about kebabs or other racist stuff, but I just find it utterly hilarious that Nato emphasizes Serbians crimes and almost denies Kosovars ones just in order to settle a stronghold in Eastern Europe and there even are people who believe it. c'mon

Ik about them but theyre both idiots so communication can be hard to accomplish. Im Croatian tho, no need to explain anything to me.

Triple threat match lol anyway it would be cool to hear the opinion of a Serbian and a Kosovar

 

[Filosoofis]

Ik about them but theyre both idiots so communication can be hard to accomplish. Im Croatian tho, no need to explain anything to me.

Hahaha even in 2016 croats, Serbs and kosovars can't live along XD

Well glad you understand some of it since it's your history too

 

[Filosoofis]

My country recognizes Kosovo as a different state.

I know a girl who fled from Kosovo who studies in our school. Judging by what she says i would say there is not a possibility in where Serbians Kosovars can coexist w/o forcing a hegemony (mostly possible by Serbian side).

If you say "remove kebab" and "Kosovo is Serbian terriory" in the same breath unironically, you contradict yourself. If one wants a piece of landmass w/o any concern of the cultural, ethnic and religious integrity of existing population it is not a demand to be taken seriously.

But Kosovo used to be a Serbian majority before the war? Why would they care about the current religion, ethnic majority etc. It doesn't work like that when it comes down to politics if it did Turkey also had to let go of the kurdish parts.

Kosovo territory is from Serbia but the majority now is kosovar/albanian if Serbia is ever going to take back Kosovo I can guarantee that the kosovars will have to flee or will get killed cause Serbs don't care about them.

 

[Flakez]

I'm from Southeastern Europe(Bulgaria), and it is officially recognized here. Although the people couldn't really care less if it's independant or not.

 

[paratise]

So does mine. But it doesn't mean I agree. I never spoke about kebabs or other racist stuff, but I just find it utterly hilarious that Nato emphasizes Serbians crimes and almost denies Kosovars ones just in order to settle a stronghold in Eastern Europe and there even are people who believe it. c'mon

Int'l organizations also recognize Turkish/Ottoman crimes while disregarding Armenian gangs' crimes during WWI. It is a matter of power dynamics and who benefits from the results. So despite the fact that it is no better to kill a Serbian or a Bosnian, an Armenian or a Turk at the individual moral level it matters when people discuss this on political and historical levels.

But Kosovo used to be a Serbian majority before the war? Why would they care about the current religion, ethnic majority etc. It doesn't work like that when it comes down to politics if it did Turkey also had to let go of the kurdish parts.

I was 100% sure that people would make comments on my ethnicity/country lol.

Well disregarding the "before" what matters most is currently alive people. That is why we are not building pagan temples just because it was what it looked like before. World changes and we have to make decisions according to current conditions.

Considering how much people gonna emphasize on my country and its politics here, i will say this once: i believe people of this country have to make a choice, either respect and acknowledge Kurdish people and their culture if they want to keep territory intact or let go South East from East of Diyarbakır and South of Van. One can not both hate Kurds and want to live with them this much. Also there are varying opinions among Kurdish people regarding to territorial status.

Kosovo territory is from Serbia but the majority now is kosovar/albanian if Serbia is ever going to take back Kosovo I can guarantee that the kosovars will have to flee or will get killed cause Serbs don't care about them.

So it comes back to what i say, if you feel entitled to a landmass you have to accept it all. If you guarantee that Kosovars and Albanians will get killed or forced to flee, how can you say Kosova should belong to Serbians, who we both assume take part in destruction of Kosovars and Albanians? Of course nobody will go around and say "heya Serbians take this landmass and kill everyone who live there will ya!".

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Kosovo being part of Serbia is not problem .It is and will be part of Serbia.time would show.

Serbs and Russians are Orthodox we are not liked by west since majority of them are Catholics. Thats why Serbs and Russians are so hated,but their hate only makes us stronger and united.

We and our Slavic brothers are strong we can handle that.

We Serbs endured 400 years of Ottoman empire. We waited for right time to strike . We endured Nazi Germany,civil war,Nato bombing.

If necessary new war would be fought. But this we wont be alone.Russia has risen from 1999 ashes and it would support us thats guaranteed.

Let me share you something you wont find on your news :

When Serbian military expert and Journalist visited Russia camp in Syria he had talks with Russian general who said :

In 1999 we made mistake, our country was weak and couldn´t help our Serbian brothers . But now things have changed,we are stronger and we are ready to correct mistake from the past.

Even if we had to wait another 400 years Serbs would never hand over Kosovo.

 

[Deadlift]

Int'l organizations also recognize Turkish/Ottoman crimes while disregarding Armenian gangs' crimes during WWI. It is a matter of power dynamics and who benefits from the results. So despite the fact that it is no better to kill a Serbian or a Bosnian, an Armenian or a Turk at the individual moral level it matters when people discuss this on political and historical levels.
I was 100% sure that people would make comments on my ethnicity/country lol.

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I didn't, but anyway the fact that Turkey doesn't recognizes Armenian genocide pretty much pisses me off.
True, the value of a human life isn't valuable in terms of nationality, but then why only Kosovars have the right to complain about their dead, and Serbian innocents killed by Kosovo partisans don't matter? It's just a matter of interests of forces bigger than Serbia and Kosovo, who try to cut off a part of a nations in order to estabilish a stronghold in a "hot point"

 

[paratise]

I didn't, but anyway the fact that Turkey doesn't recognizes Armenian genocide pretty much pisses me off.
True, the value of a human life isn't valuable in terms of nationality, but then why only Kosovars have the right to complain about their dead, and Serbian innocents killed by Kosovo partisans don't matter? It's just a matter of interests of forces bigger than Serbia and Kosovo, who try to cut off a part of a nations in order to estabilish a stronghold in a "hot point"

Why is that pissing you off?

Anyway i explained why, my point about drawing that parallel between those situations was despite the fact that Armenian armed forces killed civilians on ethnic/religious bases who were Muslim Turks and Kurds, the pressure would be put on the bigger power which is Ottoman Empire or former Turkey. This does not mean milling civilians is OK one way or another.

Balkan conflict in 90ies put Serbia in a role akin to this. Besides if you look at my previous reply i stated a mere entitlement to a landmass w/o consideration to people who live there is void.

Look my mother's parents were Balkan Turks who fled in midst of 20th century. My father's side consists of Turks who were forced to leave SSR Armenia. Not directly, but through my family history i know how it feels to being a part of unwanted ethnicity. It does not give any pretty results, still in no way i do not demand the lost lands from Armenia (my relatives can still visit Macedonia). Why try to rule a group of people that you hate so bad? Kosovo should be Serbia-but what cost? If the cultural and religious integrities, even lives of those people are not guaranteed then why would their control should belong to people who want to kill them?

PS in your previous post you said you did not say racist things like remove kebab yet liked a post which literally makes a meme out of ethnic cleansing...Interesting.

 

[Osmon]

Lowkey trynna commit suicide by laughing at these stupid people. You obviously don't know nothing about Kosovo or the war that happened there, I was born around that time. Almost 90% of Albanians (Kosovo was, is and will always be Albania keep that in mind Slavic gypsies) and Kosovans were kicked out of their houses, killed, massacred, raped or their houses were burned down. We endured far more than Serbs, we endured the war and the occupation of Ottomans for 500+ years, we endured both world wars and Albania got its full independence just before WW1 happened and endured BW1 and 2, it was always Slavs trying to take Albania's lands and claiming that Kosovo was Serbia (Y'all need some milk). I'm happy that my country is independent because everyone knows of the terrors that Serbia did in Kosovo, Bosnia and Croatia, it's sad because even the current PM of Serbia accepts that Yugoslavia did horrible crimes. You can say anything you want on internet but we currently have 100+ who have recognized our independence (mostly EU members and US) and are slowly building our own country and heading towards the EU as each day passes while Serbia and other Slavic countries still cry about their loss and say that Kosovo is Serbia blah blah blah. Get out of your little imagination and look at what is happening and don't speak when you don't know what the **** is going on oh and about Kosovo war. I have nothing to say because everyone knows that Serbia did always bombard and kill innocents and attack small countries while sucking Russia ass as soon as someone bigger attacks them lol

 

[Deadlift]

Why is that pissing you off?

What would you think if German government denies Holocaust?

Anyway i explained why, my point about drawing that parallel between those situations was despite the fact that Armenian armed forces killed civilians on ethnic/religious bases who were Muslim Turks and Kurds, the pressure would be put on the bigger power which is Ottoman Empire or former Turkey. This does not mean milling civilians is OK one way or another.

The thing of Armenian armed forces killing people for first reminds me about those false accuses thrown by Azerbaijan as an excuse for the bloodsheds they made in Karabakh, but anyway I'm not informed about this so you can be right.
It obviously is not a justification for a genocide.

Balkan conflict in 90ies put Serbia in a role akin to this. Besides if you
look at my previous reply i stated a mere entitlement to a landmass w/o consideration to people who live there is void.

Look my mother's parents were Balkan Turks who fled in midst of 20th century. My father's side consists of Turks who were forced to leave SSR Armenia. Not directly, but through my family history i know how it feels to being a part of unwanted ethnicity. It does not give any pretty results, still in no way i do not demand the lost lands from Armenia (my relatives can still visit Macedonia). Why try to rule a group of people that you hate so bad? Kosovo should be Serbia-but what cost? If the cultural and religious integrities, even lives of those people are not guaranteed then why would their control should belong to people who want to kill them?

This basically is the same thing with Turkey and Kurds, it isn't? Kosovo was a piece of Serbia of Albanian culture, Empowered by Albania and Nato it decided to become independent. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a region of Serbia. So then, if Tuscany decides to severe from the rest of Italy and South Africa agrees, they have every right to do that because they have another concept of religion than other regions of Italy?
We all know that they didn't let Kosovo become "independent" because they cared for their poor conditions of ethnic minority, but because it would be comfy to have an allied state in south Balkan.

PS in your previous post you said you did not say racist things like remove kebab yet liked a post which literally makes a meme out of ethnic cleansing...Interesting.

I liked that comment because it wasn't just the image there, and I liked the things the guy said. Anyway I found it quite funny, it was just a joke, don't tell me you wanna blame me for that.

Lowkey trynna commit suicide by laughing at these stupid people. You obviously don't know nothing about Kosovo or the war that happened there, I was born around that time. Almost 90% of Albanians (Kosovo was, is and will always be Albania keep that in mind Slavic gypsies) and Kosovans were kicked out of their houses, killed, massacred, raped or their houses were burned down. We endured far more than Serbs, we endured the war and the occupation of Ottomans for 500+ years, we endured both world wars and Albania got its full independence just before WW1 happened and endured BW1 and 2, it was always Slavs trying to take Albania's lands and claiming that Kosovo was Serbia (Y'all need some milk). I'm happy that my country is independent because everyone knows of the terrors that Serbia did in Kosovo, Bosnia and Croatia, it's sad because even the current PM of Serbia accepts that Yugoslavia did horrible crimes. You can say anything you want on internet but we currently have 100+ who have recognized our independence (mostly EU members and US) and are slowly building our own country and heading towards the EU as each day passes while Serbia and other Slavic countries still cry about their loss and say that Kosovo is Serbia blah blah blah. Get out of your little imagination and look at what is happening and don't speak when you don't know what the **** is going on oh and about Kosovo war. I have nothing to say because everyone knows that Serbia did always bombard and kill innocents and attack small countries while sucking Russia ass as soon as someone bigger attacks them lol

Slavic gypsies? So I'm a Slavic gypsy? I'm 100% sure I'm not a gypsy, and I don't know how much Slavic blood flows in my veins.
Kosovo was part of Albania in a certain period of time, and now it's not. Be it with Serbia, or be it independent, still it's not Albania.
You've been very good talking about Serbians' crimes like they were the important part of our debate, a bit less good in remembering what Kosovars did to the innocent Serbians living in Kosovo after the end of the war. Ask Mr. Clint Williamson, the chief of the Special Investigative task force, who found tons of proofs of ethnic cleansing and violence against Serbs made by ushtria clirimtare e Kosoves.
Sucking Russia's ass what? So Kosovo would have been able of set itself free by itself without sucking Nato's ass?

 

[paratise]

What would you think if German government denies Holocaust?

I would not be actively pissed. Afterall every country would be defensive about their pasts, if you ask if i am pissed off at the fact that nation states and governments exist, yes i resent the idea and the fact that we live in such world.

[quotepThe thing of Armenian armed forces killing people for first reminds me about those false accuses thrown by Azerbaijan as an excuse for the bloodsheds they made in Karabakh, but anyway I'm not informed about this so you can be right.
It obviously is not a justification for a genocide.[/quote]
What..? Of course Armenian forces persecuted Azerbaijanis. About 1.000.000 Azerbaijanis exiled from Armenia as the result of that mindless war, not to mention civilian death as in Khojaly massacare. I say you are getting informed by a very pro-Armenian source. I was not even talking about recent history, i was speaking of WWI era in which Armenian gangs killed civilians as well.

This basically is the same thing with Turkey and Kurds, it isn't? Kosovo was a piece of Serbia of Albanian culture, Empowered by Albania and Nato it decided to become independent. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a region of Serbia. So then, if Tuscany decides to severe from the rest of Italy and South Africa agrees, they have every right to do that because they have another concept of religion than other regions of Italy?

Not the same thing actually. As i said there are varying opinions among Kurdish people and these opinions are much less homogenous than Kosovars. Not to mention geographical differences. Also i made my stance about Kurdish situation already...
See, there is no "if". Does Tuscany want to leave Italy, what are their reasonings? Are they under threat? These questions make the difference.

We all know that they didn't let Kosovo become "independent" because they cared for their poor conditions of ethnic minority, but because it would be comfy to have an allied state in south Balkan.

Either way we have to live under Western hegemony. Lack of existence of Kosovo would not threaten their power they can find and manipulate other allies.

At any rate we are not taking over illuminati or Western powers by mutual hatred, nor by sucking ass of these big powers whether they are USA or Russia or China.

I liked that comment because it wasn't just the image there, and I liked the things the guy said. Anyway I found it quite funny, it was just a joke, don't tell me you wanna blame me for that.

Nah i just found it ironic.

 

[Deadlift]

I would not be actively pissed. Afterall every country would be defensive about their pasts, if you ask if i am pissed off at the fact that nation states and governments exist, yes i resent the idea and the fact that we live in such world.

I share your cosmopolitanism, but we can't do anything against reality. Every nation does its interest, but this is not the same thing as denying every crime it made like Turkey does negating every persecution against Armenians regardless

What..? Of course Armenian forces persecuted Azerbaijanis. About 1.000.000 Azerbaijanis exiled from Armenia as the result of that mindless war, not to mention civilian death as in Khojaly massacare. I say you are getting informed by a very pro-Armenian source. I was not even talking about recent history, i was speaking of WWI era in which Armenian gangs killed civilians as well.

I inform myself in several sources, the most are Armenians. Khojaly massacre was sadly a consequence of what Azeris did for first against Armenia. Should we talk about the pogrom in Sumgayit? or the bloodsheds during Goranboy operation? Or rather the ethnic cleansing in Stepanakert/Kankendy? The issues between Armenia and Azerbaijan always thrilled me, so I can be sure when I say I'm pretty well informed about it.
Armenian gangs can have killed civilians, but is that a justification for a genocide? I don't think so. Turkey has always been known for its bloodlust anyway.

Not the same thing actually. As i said there are varying opinions among Kurdish people and these opinions are much less homogenous than Kosovars. Not to mention geographical differences. Also i made my stance about Kurdish situation already...
See, there is no "if". Does Tuscany want to leave Italy, what are their reasonings? Are they under threat? These questions make the difference.

Kurdish question is pretty more complicated than Kosovo. Kosovo is just a piece of territory which wants independence from an unique nation, Kurds are in four different nations wanting the independence from each of them, and each of those nations hate one another so they support Kurds of other nations persecuting their Kurds.
Well, Tuscan people are the fathers of blasphemous words so they have another concept of religion xd
I could have said Po Valley, who wants independence because they're the only "rich" part of Italy. Their independentist party is just a bunch of racist jerks, but since Italy is full of illegal migrants, their approval hugely rose. Now then, their boss is seeking Putin's friendship, he wants to leave EU in order to join Russia, and all those things. If they severe from Italy, we both, us and them, are ****ed. Is it right to let them go now? Just because they've a different physical appearance and accent?

Either way we have to live under Western hegemony. Lack of existence of Kosovo would not threaten their power they can find and manipulate other allies.

Me and you yes, Serbs not. Serbia is Russia's ally, so it's a loose cannon for Nato and needs to be put in loggerheads with a rebel territory.

At any rate we are not taking over illuminati or Western powers by mutual hatred, nor by sucking ass of these big powers whether they are USA or Russia or China.

In fact USA are evil and Russia is good :sdo: