He power gap between Naruto & Sasuke was embarrassing..

[The Necromancer]

Ashura and Jiraya were



Correct.

I could never get behind Jiraiya being the "dumb one" like Naruto and Ashura.

The dude became just as strong as Orochimaru the genius without any handouts or advantages unlike how Naruto or Ashura got to Sasuke and Indra's levels.

Maybe Jiraiya got mad help and handouts off screen, but from what we've seen, Jiraiya was just as naturally talented as Orochimaru, especially considering that he had a pretty demanding hobby which would have cut into training time, eliminating the claim that he trained his ass off 24/7.

How does Hebi Sasuke tank that again? XD

Technically speaking, he wouldn't need to, as he would suppress Kurama before the fight.

But I'm not here to debate Naruto vs. Sasuke for the thousandth time.

 

[NarutoX28]

Jiraiya actually taught him a lot such as the basics to Chakra Control and refined his Taijutsu even further, so Jiraiya certainly taught him a lot, it's just that Sasuke happened to grow at a much faster rate.

 

[Dannie]

Honestly Jiraiya taught him nothing but if you wanna get technical about it the story was starting to center around Nardo playing catch up to sasuke and kishi pretty much wanted us to experience Naruto's gradual power increase visually whereas sasuke did a **** ton of shit off panel. It makes 0 sense that jiraiya didn't try to show him anything concerning sagemode though.

I guess you could put it that way. It would have been really one-sided if Naruto learned SM right off the bat.

 

[Gerkak]

I could never get behind Jiraiya being the "dumb one" like Naruto and Ashura.

The dude became just as strong as Orochimaru the genius without any handouts or advantages unlike how Naruto or Ashura got to Sasuke and Indra's levels.

Maybe Jiraiya got mad help and handouts off screen, but from what we've seen, Jiraiya was just as naturally talented as Orochimaru, especially considering that he had a pretty demanding hobby which would have cut into training time, eliminating the claim that he trained his ass off 24/7.

I can understand where you're coming from, but I think Jiraya and Ashura are different from Naruto. As you said naruto doesn't train extensively unless motivated to do so, Jiraya and Ashura were always training. Jiraya found the toads, started sage training at a young age and was always pushing himself to the limit, that's how he got strong. He did have talent(naruto does too) but it was mostly hard work and the will to learn independently which naruto lacks.

And as for his hobby Jiraya could use shadow clones to do it while he trains, he has the chakra reserves to do so.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I could never get behind Jiraiya being the "dumb one" like Naruto and Ashura.

The dude became just as strong as Orochimaru the genius without any handouts or advantages unlike how Naruto or Ashura got to Sasuke and Indra's levels.

Maybe Jiraiya got mad help and handouts off screen, but from what we've seen, Jiraiya was just as naturally talented as Orochimaru, especially considering that he had a pretty demanding hobby which would have cut into training time, eliminating the claim that he trained his ass off 24/7.



Technically speaking, he wouldn't need to, as he would suppress Kurama before the fight.

But I'm not here to debate Naruto vs. Sasuke for the thousandth time.

You have pretty much said what I was going to say to him. One of those weird days I actually agree with you on something.

 

[Volor]

The biggest difference in Minata and Naruto is that one is genuis while the other is not. Naruto was never gonna be the one who would create a jutsue and impress you. That is why your arguement doesn't phase me. Because his character was never of some sort of genuis. You are expecting too much from a character like him if you got a problem with that.

And the Kyuubi which naruto leeched 90% of his power from and didn't have to train to gain. Not saying he didn't train because he did but his training isn't wat made him strong. Even if Naruto didn't learn Sage mode he'd still spank peins ass, he'd still beat the crap out of pein. Lol Look at rock lee. Naruto didn't do 10% of the training that rock lee did but by the end of part 1 he was wayyyy stronger because he was given power. I agree that Naruto's training meant almost nothing

 

[The Necromancer]

You have pretty much said what I was going to say to him. One of those weird days I actually agree with you on something.

It happens. Lol

 

[Netflix and Chill]

Trying your hand at bait threads Rasta?

Right? Same thing I was thinking.

Anyways rasta this style don't suit you.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Well you have to understand that Sasuke was on a completely different level than Naruto and Co. He learnt a lot from Oro and for Oro to be able to say that he is stronger than 4 Tails Rampant Naruto that indicates that nothing Naruto had at the time would have been able to stop Sasuke.

Sasuke even dedicated his own time to develop his Raiton varitaions, kenjutsu (Sword of Kusunagi). The main problem why Naruto faltered was because of his non alliance with Kurama. They were two different minds who were obviously not on the same page.

Rasta do you remember the time in the manga where Jiraiya said that he would teach Naruto how to break genjutsu in a flashback. The results of his training really shows when he was caught by a Sharingan Genjutsu by a 30% Itachi clone who had to later be saved by Sakura and Chiyo. Sasuke was in full training mode for 3 years, no distractions, no nothing. Naruto on the other hand while he was training with Jiraiya to master his Kyubi chakra and Rasengan variants such as Odama Rasengan simply got distracted by other missions.

Yes the power level at the time was embarresing. Have you ever felt the feeling about being

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that was Uzumaki Naruto.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

And the Kyuubi which naruto leeched 90% of his power from and didn't have to train to gain. Not saying he didn't train because he did but his training isn't wat made him strong. Even if Naruto didn't learn Sage mode he'd still spank peins ass, he'd still beat the crap out of pein. Lol Look at rock lee. Naruto didn't do 10% of the training that rock lee did but by the end of part 1 he was wayyyy stronger because he was given power. I agree that Naruto's training meant almost nothing

The kyuubi thing was more of a mental thing than a physical training thing. When Naruto learned to control its powers he still used his shadow clones and rasengan. If he never trained for them he would be One punch man.

 

[DemiNaruto]

Most of his training was chakra control, which he achieved. He was able to control up to 3 tails but the way naruto is he always goes to far. In his little squirmish with sasuke he didnt want kuramas help which gave sasuke time to supress it himself. Naruto could of easily went 3 or four tails and rampaged nd sasuke, oro or kabuto would be able to do anything to defeat him

 

[-Akuma-]

The gap between Sasuke and Sakura was even worse.

 

[Bling Kai]

A thread claiming sasuke is stronger naruto never seen this thread before.

 

[lord seventh]

Whats the meaning of this thread???
To prove orochimaru is a good guy
Or to prove sasuke is faster than tired naruto
Or the result of three years of training with jiraya
Or as title suggest power gap between tired naru and sasu



By the way jiraya was trying to make naruto control nine tail but he fails

 

[Retsu]

I doubt Naruto would have had the motivation to learn any aspect of Sage Mode before Jiraiya died.

Naruto has only really ever tried when he had massive motivation, and he didn't seem to have any motivation over those 2.5 years, despite claiming to want to get strong to bring Sasuke back...

I seriously doubt that since he did indeed want and need power to bring sasuke back, I don't even think Naruto ever saw Jiraiya's sagemode but tbh a lot of this is due to story structure and even if Naruto was interested in getting stronger he's restricted to doing only what kishi's pen will allow him. Sometimes we tend to argue about things but the entire discussions are literally worth less than spit and don't mean jackshit since the story only proceeds how the author intends it.

 

[oxtopus]

I just think sasuke trained better,had a better dedicated teacher and was more motivated and was allegedly doping. Not to mention he had the sharingan. If naruto was as motivated as sasuke to become stronger and had let's say killer bee as his teacher then it would have been the other way around,i mean when naruto had a reason to vet stronger he learnt senjutsu,an ability which power surpasses that of sasuke's mangyeko sharingan

 

[Yatori]

The gap between Sasuke and Sakura was even worse.

Aww man dont start xd

 

[lord seventh]

I just think sasuke trained better,had a better dedicated teacher and was more motivated and was allegedly doping. Not to mention he had the sharingan. If naruto was as motivated as sasuke to become stronger and had let's say killer bee as his teacher then it would have been the other way around,i mean when naruto had a reason to vet stronger he learnt senjutsu,an ability which power surpasses that of sasuke's mangyeko sharingan

Sakura told kakashi that sasuke may be using drugs or formidable justu to train

 

[Claymantan]

Sakura told kakashi that sasuke may be using drugs or formidable justu to train

This just brings it back to Naruto having Kage Bunshin to train and never really maximizing that advantage.

Kishi's failwriting does make Naruto look like a fool

 

[Retsu]

I guess you could put it that way. It would have been really one-sided if Naruto learned SM right off the bat.

Totally agree and tbh I hate how kishi handled Naruto combat wise, he gave him sooooooo many 1 time use moves and it sux that he always has him relying on the same boring combat style even though he's shown himself to be competent enough to use a much larger repertoire of moves. All of the rasengans he used when he first developed kyuubi mode were beastly yet he never bothered to use them again. Things like planetary rasengan and the mini rasenshuriken were so awesome yet we only ever see them like 1 time in the manga. He never demonstrated anymore of the other bijuu powers as well and did nothing really spectacular with the truth seeking orbs. Naruto honestly has too much going on for him and that must actually make it kinda hard to let him go thru his entire arsenal in 1 chapter. He really dumbed him down though but tbh it doesn't take much for him to just be totally broken as a character if he spammed some of the stuff he's used.