[VS] Gaara Vs Sasuke

[Curse Mark]

Perhaps, in your opinions. If you really cannot understand simple matters of panel ordering and clear cut dialogues, may I ask why did you decide to give yourself the pointless worry of jumping in? Don’t flatter yourself into thinking that I entertain anyone’s logic. Certainty not someone who come barging in, reiterating the same logic, ignoring panel ordering, simple dialogues and then has the gall to call out someone for “misinterpreting something.”

Spare me as these are agreed upon matters amongst my peers. Not everyone dandles children here to have an awesome time. If you want to have a discussion, leave those immature "snide" remarks aside, because trust me, I can employ them to much better use you ever could.

This neckbeard would fit in very well here

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[shelke]

This neckbeard would fit in very well here

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You know, a discussion can absolutely be had without people squeezing the cocks of those that happen to agree with us. I mean, why am I not surprised. You are from that infamous group of intellectuals. I amicabily ended the discussion, yet you have made it a point to repeatedly persistent in your stupidity.

So, what happens to be the problem?

 

[Curse Mark]

You know, a discussion can absolutely be had without people squeezing the cocks of those that happen to agree with us. I mean, why am I not surprised. You are from that infamous group of intellectuals. I amicabily ended the discussion, yet you have made it a point to repeatedly persistent in your stupidity.

So, what happens to be the problem?

People trying too hard to look smart.
Examples:
Thesaurus abuse
Pseudo-intellectualism
Bad philosophy
Self-quoting

You're 2 for 4 man keep going

 

[shelke]

People trying too hard to look smart.
Examples:
Thesaurus abuse
Pseudo-intellectualism
Bad philosophy
Self-quoting

You're 2 for 4 man keep going

Sorry, some of us are not just pitiful middle-school dropouts who gain self-respect and strange complexes by hanging out with debating groups. Does it make you good or nice about yourself, accusing someone of these things? Raises your tiny self-esteem? Something along those lines?

Go on, please elaborate.

 

[Curse Mark]

Sorry, some of us are not just pitiful middle-school dropouts who gain self-respect and strange complexes by hanging out with debating groups. Does it make you good or nice about yourself, accusing someone of these things? Raises your tiny self-esteem? Something along those lines?

Go on, please elaborate.

Lol the narcissism is strong in this one.

There's a difference between being educated and using superfluous vocabulary that anyone who has access to

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can use. Stop projecting your insecurities onto others. I don't hang out with debating groups, lmao. You're trying desperately to attack me personally when none of what you're saying is valid. This is funny tho keep trying.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Shelke, serious question: Why do you keep coming here? You think most people here are monkeys. Does it feel good to be the king of monkeys?

 

[shelke]

Shelke, serious question: Why do you keep coming here? You think most people here are monkeys. Does it feel good to be the king of monkeys?

I am not the one who escalated this discussion. And trust me, you already have a king. And unless if you do not own the forum (which I sincerely doubt, thanks to the personal information leaks of many a illustrious debating group members in many a skype fumbles) I suggest you keep this cheekiness to yourself.

Lol the narcissism is strong in this one.

There's a difference between being educated and using superfluous vocabulary that anyone who has access to

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can use. Stop projecting your insecurities onto others. I don't hang out with debating groups, lmao. You're trying desperately to attack me personally when none of what you're saying is valid. This is funny tho keep trying.

You were repeatedly told to back off. I never attacked you in any manner. Is it really my narcissism talking or your devalued and worthless self-esteem (and intelligence) that needs to be exalted by your internet peers? Sad, what an existence. Seriously, I can go on. Also, a thesaurus and sense of the word is not even the same thing. Whoops, another fumble.

Please, tell me. What is the problem here?

 

[Curse Mark]

I am not the one who escalated this discussion. And trust me, you already have a king. And unless if you do not own the forum (which I sincerely doubt, thanks to the personal information leaks of many a illustrious debating group members in many a skype fumbles) I suggest you keep this cheekiness to yourself.



You were repeatedly told to back off. I never attacked you in any manner. Is it really my narcissism talking or your devalued and worthless self-esteem (and intelligence) that needs to be exalted by your internet peers? Sad, what an existence. Seriously, I can go on. Also, a thesaurus and sense of the word is not even the same thing. Whoops, another fumble.

Please, tell me. What is the problem here?

Lmao, keep trying bud. You might get something offensive out eventually.
A million chimps at typewriters and you're bound to get shakespeare sooner or later.

 

[shelke]

Lmao, keep trying bud. You might get something offensive out eventually.
A million chimps at typewriters and you're bound to get shakespeare sooner or later.

Looks like that head ran out of steam after three LMAAOOOOs.

 

[Waltz]

I cannot believe something so simple is getting this stretched out:

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Sasuke activates his Susano'o after Gaara takes the stance. This panel is put below Gaara's for a reason. Within the "temporal" sequence, it would canonically come after Gaara's stance. Otherwise, the mangaka would have shown something along these lines:

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Here two events are happening simultaneously; Naruto being given the energy and Sasuke sensing it. The mangaka went for the same panel. That is not happening in the above scan, so all explanations are needless from your end. Your take on it is rather odd, when paneling and ordering is done for a reason. Otherwise, they would have been on the same division with a partition (this doesn't always show “simultaneous” occurrence; in fact most of the time the right to left ordering is applicable) or within the same panel. Unless the image is not read upside down, the events would absolutely be taken as they are presented. Kindly, do not push me to pull out a visual lexicon discussion; you will experience grave disappointment that way. You ignoring the ordering in incorrect in itself. This isn't even an argument.

This point has already been addressed, quite repeatedly. You are basically repeating the same thing in several paragraphs and hoping for a linguistic miracle.

So my first and second post in this thread says that Sasuke activated Susano'o and subsequently an Enton orb after Gaara released the Sand from his gourd as that is what was shown in the Manga and here 95% of your paragraph is you explaining the very thing to me. The remaining 5% of your paragraph says that you already addressed, repeatedly, a repeated argument I never even made. Shelke, Curse Mark says your issue is reading comprehension which can be considered given the examples he provided, where the Manga is concerned and added to that you could also just be a troll however I'm convinced you're being serious with your arguments. After considering this and the fact that you just wrote this entire post without actually countering anything I stated in my prior posts; My question is to you and I am being very serious: Do you undergo momentary spasms of confabulation? ​

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IT uses Natural Energy to give life to the environment. The environment, for all intents and purposes, was a lifeless environment. The only agent that breathed life into was “Natural Energy.” The cave reverted back to its original state because the heat from the flames sapped that life out of it. It’s a simple case of “returning to the original state.” Kabuto's dialogue is extremely simple to grasp and understand.

Now which agent was removed, and which agent facilitated this process? Natural Energy from the spikes and Heat from the flames. It’s really a simple and straight forward analysis that doesn’t even require any in depth knowledge of figurative language.

Perhaps, in your opinions. If you really cannot understand simple matters of panel ordering and clear cut dialogues, may I ask why did you decide to give yourself the pointless worry of jumping in?

Something returning to it's original position because of thermal application (what Kabuto stated) and something returning to it's original position because a life-force energy within the said thing is being attenuated to 0 because of thermal application (what you are stating) are two vastly different concepts as the effects of the thermal application in one case it affecting the atomic structure of the cave while in the other case the application is affecting the life-force energy----"supposedly"----still within the cave. Your correlation doesn't apply and you still haven't proven that the Jutsu was still in effect when Sasuke used Amaterasu nor have you referenced any Canonical material that even seems to suggest that Amatearsu breaks down Natural energy and chakra. All you've done is made a claim that it does break down Natural energy along with Chakra and the single supporting evidence you've presented is a misinterpretation of an event. ​

 

[shelke]

So my first and second post in this thread says that Sasuke activated Susano'o and subsequently an Enton orb after Gaara released the Sand from his gourd as that is what was shown in the Manga and here 95% of your paragraph is you explaining the very thing to me. The remaining 5% of your paragraph says that you already addressed, repeatedly, a repeated argument I never even made. Shelke, Curse Mark says your issue is reading comprehension which can be considered given the examples he provided, where the Manga is concerned and added to that you could also just be a troll however I'm convinced you're being serious with your arguments. After considering this and the fact that you just wrote this entire post without actually countering anything I stated in my prior posts; My question is to you and I am being very serious: Do you undergo momentary spasms of confabulation? ​

Something returning to it's original position because of thermal application (what Kabuto stated) and something returning to it's original position because a life-force energy within the said thing is being attenuated to 0 because of thermal application (what you are stating) are two vastly different concepts as the effects of the thermal application in one case it affecting the atomic structure of the cave while in the other case the application is affecting the life-force energy----"supposedly"----still within the cave. Your correlation doesn't apply and you still haven't proven that the Jutsu was still in effect when Sasuke used Amaterasu nor have you referenced any Canonical material that even seems to suggest that Amatearsu breaks down Natural energy and chakra. All you've done is made a claim that it does break down Natural energy along with Chakra and the single supporting evidence you've presented is a misinterpretation of an event. ​

This is what resulted in a disagreement:

Except that since Gaara never attacked and there is no scan segment of him attacking Sasuke it exposes this portion of your post as nothing more than false information you've inserted to secure your argument with the mistranslated text.
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I implore you to evaluate your posts, and may be, steal a quick glance at your paragraphs as you appear to lapse a lot. If you agree, then how is offense thrown out of the window? You understand what offense means? How nice, you need crutches from cursemark for your arguments on comprehension of all the things, when you completely ignored the core argument on which you actually got triggered. What am I supposed to make of that? The irony of your ridiculous argument shouldn’t be lost on you. Also, I am so glad that that reflex action hit the brakes. Otherwise, that visual lexicon was just around the corner. Bravo! You are smarter than a few here.

“Confabulation”? Are you trying to impresses me by using an incorrect term for lapses in comprehension, which doesn’t have much to do with anything beyond “lapses in memory?” Serious question. Now, I am sure you would allow yourself the unnecessary semantic leeway; your structure, unfortunately allows for it. It’s pretty silly though.

Within the context of the basic interpretation, they really are not on casual grounds. Unless, that happens to be an idea beyond you. Without causal factors that never would have happened. That makes in clearly canonical on plot grounds alone.

Now, unless you want to throw causality out of the equation, then you might as well stop pretending to comprehend anything at all. Why are you even there then? It would be an exhausting endeavor. A cogent argument would be simple argument of causality. It’s simple interpretation of his dialogue. The heat is a direct outcome of fire. It isn’t a separate agent here. Seriously, this is just a laughable paragraph, and look, you are getting the monkey likes.

Money back guarantee if you don’t receive them for every single one.​

 

[Lord Tywin]

I am not the one who escalated this discussion. And trust me, you already have a king. And unless if you do not own the forum (which I sincerely doubt, thanks to the personal information leaks of many a illustrious debating group members in many a skype fumbles) I suggest you keep this cheekiness to yourself.

And here I am asking a legit question without meaning anything more than a question. Cheekiness? I'm just saying what I see, and I see a guy obsessed to prove himself above the people he thinks are no more than monkeys.
I rest my case.

 

[shelke]

And here I am asking a legit question without meaning anything more than a question. Cheekiness? I'm just saying what I see, and I see a guy obsessed to prove himself above the people he thinks are no more than monkeys.
I rest my case.

It is a public forum. People come here to have fun, I assume? I mean, I do. I suppose for you the argument is very different. Vendettas and childish “dis iz ma sechshion, you go waay, y u do dis” circle jerking. When is that growing up going to happen? I rest my case.

 

[Waltz]

This is what resulted in a disagreement:

You disagree when there's no scan segment of Gaara attacking Sasuke with his sand but you're trying to convince me that he did because of a mistranslated Manga scan and your personal interpretation of a "Visual lexicon" which is simply you trying to convince me that Gaara did attack because it looked like he was going to. Please do elaborate your visual lexicon, I'm all ears and would be happy to disintegrate your arguments into the nonexistent. ​

I implore you to evaluate your posts, and may be, steal a quick glance at your paragraphs as you appear to lapse a lot. If you agree, then how is offense thrown out of the window? You understand what offense means? How nice, you need crutches from cursemark for your arguments on comprehension of all the things, when you completely ignored the core argument on which you actually got triggered. What am I supposed to make of that? The irony of your ridiculous argument shouldn’t be lost on you. Also, I am so glad that that reflex action hit the brakes. Otherwise, that visual lexicon was just around the corner. Bravo! You are smarter than a few here.

“Confabulation”? Are you trying to impresses me by using an incorrect term for lapses in comprehension, which doesn’t have much to do with anything beyond “lapses in memory?” Serious question. Now, I am sure you would allow yourself the unnecessary semantic leeway; your structure, unfortunately allows for it. It’s pretty silly though.
Within the context of the basic interpretation, they really are not on casual grounds. Unless, that happens to be an idea beyond you.

Now, unless you want to throw causality out of the equation, then you might as well stop pretending to comprehend anything at all. Why are you even there then? It would be an exhausting endeavor. A cogent argument would be simple argument of causality. It’s simple interpretation of his dialogue. The heat is a direct outcome of fire. It isn’t a separate agent here. Seriously, this is just a laughable paragraph, and look, you are getting the monkey likes.

Money back guarantee if you don’t receive them for every single one.

Offense is thrown out of the window because after Gaara released his sand, Sasuke activated Susano'o and subsequently an Enton orb and the only thing Gaara does with his Sand is defend himself and his team from the attack. This is what is shown in the Manga.

No I wasn't trying to impress you with by using an incorrect term, I was actually being serious because if you didn't have lapses in reading comprehension you would have realized that I never said you have lapses in reading comprehension, I said Curse Mark said that was your issue and that it could be considered given the examples he provided, where the Manga is concerned. Since between you reading my previous post and you responding to it here you already forgot this much and were generally certain of what you read before you responded it's kinda obvious that both lapses in reading comprehension and memory are deficiencies of yours.

@Red: Stop flooding your posts with information anyone who can make sense of the the nutrition facts on a cereal box can understand. I'm not throwing causality out of the argument. It's not a simple explanation of his dialogue it's your personal interpretation of the event. Kabuto never said Amaterasu sapped the Natural energy in the Cave, You said that and you can't prove it. Fuck me, I now understand why people say to avoid having debates with you. Heat is an out come of fire just like heat is an outcome of friction, Heat isn't fire. They are different things and the heat from Amaterasu is what made it retake it's composition as stated in the Manga not your failed theory of it sapping natural energy.

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There's nothing more unsightly than whipping: confabulation, incompetence stupidity and a superiority complex into a single human being. Vocabulary doesn't hide stupidity.
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[ComplexCity]

You disagree when there's no scan segment of Gaara attacking Sasuke with his sand but you're trying to convince me that he did because of a mistranslated Manga scan and your personal interpretation of a "Visual lexicon" which is simply you trying to convince me that Gaara did attack because it looked like he was going to. Please do elaborate your visual lexicon, I'm all ears and would be happy to disintegrate your arguments into the nonexistent.​

Offense is thrown out of the window because after Gaara released his sand, Sasuke activated Susano'o and subsequently an Enton orb and the only thing Gaara does with his Sand is defend himself and his team from the attack. This is what is shown in the Manga.

No I wasn't trying to impress you with by using an incorrect term, I was actually being serious because if you didn't have lapses in reading comprehension you would have realized that I never said you have lapses in reading comprehension, I said Curse Mark said that was your issue and that it could be considered given the examples he provided, where the Manga is concerned. Since between you reading my previous post and you responding to it here you already forgot this much and were generally certain of what you read before you responded it's kinda obvious that both lapses in reading comprehension and memory are deficiencies of yours.

@Red: Stop flooding your posts with information anyone who can make sense of the the nutrition facts on a cereal box can understand. I'm not throwing causality out of the argument. It's not a simple explanation of his dialogue it's your personal interpretation of the event. Kabuto never said Amaterasu sapped the Natural energy in the Cave, You said that and you can't prove it. Fuck me, I now understand why people say to avoid having debates with you. Heat is an out come of fire just like heat is an outcome of friction, Heat isn't fire. They are different things and the heat from Amaterasu is what made it retake it's composition as stated in the Manga not your failed theory of it sapping natural energy.

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There's nothing more unsightly than whipping: confabulation, incompetence stupidity and a superiority complex into a single human being. Vocabulary doesn't hide stupidity.
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[shelke]

You disagree when there's no scan segment of Gaara attacking Sasuke with his sand but you're trying to convince me that he did because of a mistranslated Manga scan and your personal interpretation of a "Visual lexicon" which is simply you trying to convince me that Gaara did attack because it looked like he was going to. Please do elaborate your visual lexicon, I'm all ears and would be happy to disintegrate your arguments into the nonexistent. ​

Offense is thrown out of the window because after Gaara released his sand, Sasuke activated Susanoo and subsequently an Enton orb and the only thing Gaara does with his Sand is defend himself and his team from the attack. This is what is shown in the Manga.

No I wasn't trying to impress you with by using an incorrect term, I was actually being serious because if you didn't have lapses in reading comprehension you would have realized that I never said you have lapses in comprehension, I said Curse Mark said that was your issue and that it could be considered given the examples he provided, where the Manga is concerned. Since between you reading my previous post and you responding to it here you already forgot this much and were generally certain of what you read before you responded it's kinda obvious that both lapses in reading comprehension and memory are deficiencies of yours.

@Red: Stop flooding your posts with information anyone who can make sense of the the nutrition facts on a cereal box can understand. I'm not throwing causality out of the argument. It's not a simple explanation of his dialogue it's your personal interpretation of the event. Kabuto never said Amaterasu sapped the Natural energy in the Cave, You said that and you can't prove it. Fuck me, I now understand why people say to avoid having debates with you. Heat is an out come of fire just like heat is an outcome of friction, Heat isn't fire. They are different things and the heat from Amaterasu is what made it retake it's composition as stated in the Manga not your failed theory of it sapping natural energy.
There's nothing more unsightly than whipping: confabulation, incompetence stupidity and a superiority complex into a single human being. Vocabulary doesn't hide stupidity.
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This is an absolutely imbecilic take on the argument. Which one is it? Did he use offense or did he not? Your pointlessly contrived takes on comprehension, as hilarious as they may be, do not concern me. Which one is it? The rest of the tried-hard-turgid-dreck you seem to be shoveling out with quite the speed is ignored. Use that where someone else will be impressed.

Oh dear, ding ding ding … a miracle actually happens in the upper story. There is something there after all; a glimmer of light in a shadowy hall. I always said he attacked first. Never claimed he was ever successful. You are more than welcome to go back and read the entire posts after the Viz scan was revealed to me. And may be, just may be, try to actually use comprehension this time around. The fact that you admit he was going to was (more or less) my argument all along. He made an attack, but Sasuke pushed him into a defensive position. When someone attacks, it in no way, under any segment of English Semantics’ (and semiotics, just for the lulz effect) means “the attack connected.” There you go. A free comprehension lesson for your amazing skills in debating. Since I never made that claim; why are you frothing with such passion?

Funny, because comprehension of any material in front of you would have nothing to do with memory. That is another kind of comprehension. Why don’t you hit google and actually educate yourself? So, if you were being serious, and not trying to impress me, then you are quite dull-witted. Don’t worry, you’ll fit right in with the cool club. I heard their head is challenging physics and what not. They always have free spots in their ranks.

Are you? If only they taught that by typing it at the back of a cereal box; you might have actually learned something. The dialogue is simple and works on simple relational causality between actors and agents and events. Typical skeleton of a parable. You can take this part out and even treat it as a small parabolic story. The fact that you believe yourself to have even a semblance of “truth” associated with your absurd argument is a hell lot of tangent to go on.

You don’t agree? Really? Do you see my forehead being over-crowded by forehead lines? No? There you go. I wonder who gave you the impression that you were ever being convinced, or that I care that you don’t believe it to be so. You have no clue about causality alone. Let’s stop with the bold claims here. They are giving me second hand embarrassment.

Ps: Whipping? Really, man? You are right, Lack of grasp of basics doesn’t hide much of your thick-headedness; it freely exhibits it. Like those sexy cattle shows. I suggest you drop this. Otherwise, I will nail you with causality alone. You have been warned. Let's see how long you last in this deparment. Go on, I'll wait for a reply. And "incompetence stupidity" ... what does that even mean?

Wow, I just looked at it carefully. This is the most stupid use and heinous murder of semantics and abuse of thesaurus I have come across in my entire stay on NB. I am being very serious here. That bolded part is shamefully dull, stupid and a product of a typical man trying to be pompous, but without any actual knowledge to back it up.

Shame on you. That is … it is so stupid that I don’t know what to say here. Seriously, shame on you and your stupidity.

 

[shelke]

"Comprehension has nothing to do with memory but memory is a type of comprehension. Like the sexy cattle shows."

I get it why Logic never invited you to Shujo all this time. You've been stupid for the past 4 years. Alright, I'm about done wasting posts as there's nothing else of interest here. ​

So, now you have jumped off to cognitive psychology. I suggest you assuage your misplaced passions and kiddy rants and stay your stupidity. This is clearly beyond you.

Actually, it’s a part of comprehension according to meta-analysis on complex parables or even experiences that would involve complex mental attribution:

Stuff such as Dreams: The Psychology of Fiction:

… memory, finding one’ s way around in the world, imaginative thinking about the future, knowing the perspectives of other people, and appear similar to the activity observed in the brain during undirected thought (e.g. daydreaming). As Raymond Mar has also shown in a recent review, this network has similarities to brain regions involved in story comprehension, which also overlap with those involved in perspective - taking.

It may be that the various functions associated with the core network are drawn on in creating and sustaining mental simulations of the social world that are concerned both in the understanding of others and in engaging with narrative fi ction. In offering a piece of fiction to readers or viewers a writer needs to indicate characters ’ actions in a way that the reader imagines these actions into being. Imagination begins in childhood, and is expressed in play. It is to this activity that we now turn.

As I explained, a mere comprehension of the page wouldn’t involve any memory input (as it's right in front of you), unless the entire story (or portion of it that involves complex attributes) isn’t factored in based on the aforementioned factors. Then it absolutely becomes one of its pillars.

Remembering: A Study in Social Psychology:

… There is more to memory than just remembering. Personal experience and general knowledge, reproduction and reconstruction are all aspects of "memory" but require their own methods of study and analysis.

What kind of “remembering” of the entire personal experience, general knowledge and reconstruction went on here to suggest of your post as anything other than your mind’s dull approximation to stupidity? Forget any experience; give it a generalized aspect. What kind of comprehension would such a memory entail when one image “separate” from the entire structure is being considered here?

Dull-witted, thick-headed fools such as yourself are dime a dozen here. That’s your specialty and you have been exhibiting it here under the hood of good font usage, illusions of poor grammar, and unimaginably stupid choice of English terms and complete lack of grasp of things you originally accused me of ... well before me. You should be given be a golden badge of honor. Where is your take on causality? The original argument that made you go into a fit of bizarre and hilarious convulsions?

Unbelievable … I see no reason to even take that statement back as you seem to be blind to the last half of the sentence. Dull as a pile of rocks.

P.s: Now you are going off to debate on tournaments? Jesus ... why is it of such value, you unabashed imbecile? Haha, I can't. And now he has removed his post. How amazing.

 

[ComplexCity]

Welp it's confirmed that I'm not the only one that thinks Shelke is an idiot. Allow me to abscond

 

[Icelerate]

Shelke, how does fire (not a solid or even liquid substance) block a physical object's forward momentum? Not to mention to Viz scan has already been posted for you to see what happened. Not to mention Gaara being the first to pull out sand from his gourd doesn't mean he was the first to attack considering Temari and Kankuro also pulled out their weapons but didn't attack immediately afterwards.

 

[Waltz]

Welp it's confirmed that I'm not the only one that thinks Shelke is an idiot. Allow me to abscond

Ikr. I simply asked him if he had spasms of confabulation and instead answering my question dude goes off topic on a psychology rant about comprehension and memory because he thought I was trying to insult his reading comprehension skills. Won't waste any more posts here.​